- Series
- About science
- Air Date
- 1967-01-10
- Duration
- 00:29:36
- Episode Description
- This program focuses on the science of earthquake engineering. The guest for this program is Paul Jennings.
- Series Description
- Interview series on variety of science-related subjects, produced by the California Institute of Technology. Features three Cal Tech faculty members: Dr. Peter Lissaman, Dr. Albert R. Hibbs, and Dr. Robert Meghreblian.
- Subject(s)
- Creator(s)
- KPCC-FM (Radio station : Pasadena, Calif.) (Producer)California Institute of Technology (Producer)
- Contributors
- Jennings, Paul C. (Guest)
- Genre(s)
- Geographic Region(s)
- regions
- Time Period
- 1961-1970
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This is about science produced by the California Institute of Technology
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and originally broadcast by station KPCC Pasadena California. The
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programs are made available to this station by national educational radio.
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This program is about earthquake engineering with host Dr. Robert
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McGregor Leon and his guest Dr. Paul Jennings professor of applied mechanics.
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Here now is Dr. McGrath at.
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The start I would call the first thing you better do is tell me just what you mean by earthquake
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engineering.
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Well by earthquake engineering what we mean is a study of the special problems that are related to
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the protection of structures against earthquakes.
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Well certainly in this area of California Southern California we're very
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conscious of earthquakes. It seems to be a long history of
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such experiences. How frequent are earth quakes throughout the world.
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Well they are very frequent. It's been estimated that maybe a million of them occur a year
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but fortunately very few of these perhaps 100000 of them are strong
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enough to be felt by anyone. And of the ones that are felt very few
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of those perhaps 100 of them are such that they might cause damage.
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The 100 or so damage which occurs
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is measurable in terms of structural damage building
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destruction loss of human life. Is this what you
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mean in terms of highly populated areas.
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Well one of the problems is that the people are.
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Increasing and as a result more and more of the seismically active
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areas of the world are becoming populated so that the number of
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earthquakes that could be damaging increases because people are living in more
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places even if the number of earthquakes that are happening is relatively constant.
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As the years go by we can expect somewhat more more problems in this area because
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people are now living in places they didn't live before.
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Just moving out to these more active areas. What are some of the active areas throughout the world.
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Well most of the strong earthquakes are about 80 percent of them occur around the
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Pacific Ocean and this is often called the ring of
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fire ring of fire because an earthquake activity is also
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often associated with volcanism active volcanoes and there are many of these
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around.
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Perimeter of the Pacific Ocean so extending all the way from white Australia
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through the eastern coast of Asia up through Alaska back
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oh yes Australia not so much but New Zealand is very active Eisley
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has of course is Japan.
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They can check out an insular Russia illusion islands are
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extremely active all along the coast Pacific coast all the way
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down to Mexico and beyond into South America through the western coast
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of the United States and down into South America right about other areas into
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Europe and Africa. Yes there's another belt of earthquake.
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Occurrence called the Alpine belt that runs through Turkey
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India northern India Russia Tashkent is on the northern
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portion of this earthquake belt and into Outer Mongolia.
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Do we have any idea how recent this activity is is it something for example the Pacific
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Ring of Fire as we call it. Is this something that's been going on for millions of years.
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Is it more recent than the one through the Near East.
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Well you have to talk to a geologist to say for sure we have reason to think
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it's been going on for a long time in Japan where our historic records are the longest.
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There's been lots of earthquake activity at roughly a constant rate for
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several centuries. The hymn records back to.
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Oh I think maybe 3 or 500 B.C.
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So it's been going on for him for a long time.
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So certainly we have a good deal of recorded history. Certainly in more
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recent times. But you say that you don't know personally the
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long geologic history of how these chains have developed here.
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No this is tectonics outside of my area
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so I'd rather not comment on that. My turn to the damaging
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earthquakes even this is more the problem of the earthquake engineer.
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We're very interested in what type of motions cause damage and how they reach
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doctors respond to these motions.
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For one think how do you measure the magnitude of an earthquake. You mention the
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frequency but the question of the magnitude.
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Well the common magnitude measurement is it on the
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Richter scale which measures the maximum
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trace on it. That aside I want the sized model just
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instrument gives him this is not. Too great a value
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for the earthquake engineer because what we're interested in is a slightly different concept we're interested
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in the strong motion right at the site of the structure. Now the
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seismologist instruments will not give you this. These are very sensitive instruments that are
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set to major earthquakes that have occurred very far away and what
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they're trying to do is find out something about the construction of the earth the origin of
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the quakes and so on.
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What is the physical quantity that's measured is that an acceleration as it isn't it's an acceleration
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because this by Newton's Law is most directly related to the forces or structure
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would experience during an earthquake so that the instruments that the
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engineer uses in earthquake design think. I believe this must be the feeling which
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are immediately concerned here. Our device is much like that of the seismologist but
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specifically designed and located.
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Well yes we we have somewhat different breed of cat in our strong ocean instrument in
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that it's designed to record a motion much stronger first in the.
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Size seismologist instrument and secondly it what we
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want to get a little better resolution so we have to run the paper faster it records on
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paper the instruments we have now. What you would mean by resolution is you want more detail we want more.
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Yes we want more detail in the traces of the motion because we make rather extensive
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analyses of these records to find out how they would shake different simple
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structures to get an idea of what happened at the site and what would happen if this
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earthquake occurred somewhere else to tell us what kind of effect it would have on certain
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structures.
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Well you mention it in that you measure accelerations what might be the magnitude of a
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large earthquake in terms of acceleration me magnitude might be
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as high as.
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50 percent gravity in fact we recorded that Coast and Geodetic surveys
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instruments recorded that during the Parkfield earthquake. This was a smaller earthquake Richter
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magnitude about five. It was just one one or two pulses in
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one of those pulses an acceleration of half. It has a gravity which meant
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that if your shoes are nailed to the floor that you just receive a force
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sideways or roughly half your weight.
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So that would be considered an extremely large.
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Well this is a large acceleration. Fortunately this earthquake didn't last very long
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and there is very very little structural damage associated with this or earthquake so that the
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time period and as innocent as the duration of the exit ation is important.
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We have reason to believe that even in a large earthquake such as the Alaskan
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earthquake that the accelerations didn't even at the fault didn't exceed
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50 percent G perhaps or in that magnitude but the duration was quite long
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maybe 45 50 seconds for the strongest portion and the perceptible motion
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last for 5 minutes. If you have the strong separation for a long time well
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then this can be very damaging to structures and of course it was in the last minute.
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And you mentioned earlier that the.
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Half acceleration I think and gravitational acceleration
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field that had been experienced in terms of short pulses that might be what he would have seconds
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then.
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Well yes a second at the instrument There was right close to the fault.
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The acceptation was just a couple three seconds long the strong part of it so that
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something that's approaching a minute or many minutes down is the one that we're very much concerned with right
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structures in what way are structures affected by these
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accelerations.
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Well basically two things can happen there. One of the problems is with the foundation
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in the soil itself. For example during the Alaskan earthquake there were many
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slides larger slides you may remember the pictures in the papers. You know you can arm
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slide for instance a very large slide in a nice residential district
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and there were submarine slides on the waterfront areas and some of the small towns around that means
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submarine. Under the Earth immediately under the
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water surface near the shore of some of the small towns as I was on a
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very steep slope and slid into the ocean and taking some of the waterfront structures with
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it. And as a result also I generated a local wave which
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was anywhere from 10 to 30 feet high and this way then came back
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over the land and caused great damage to the thing.
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So here you are talking about the displacement of the material of the earth.
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Yes and what it does in disrupting to mandate it and you have a building on top of us of a
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major slide. There's just not much you can do right
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now.
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Is there any other aspect of this. Oh yes assuming now that the foundation
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behaved itself the soil doesn't fail in that matter.
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Then you can talk about the shaking of the building and if the shaking is strong
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enough some buildings receive damage it's very hard to relate
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the damage you get or the damage that you see to the
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acceleration unless you have an instrument because it depends so much on the quality of construction
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the structures.
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Especially someone they have in foreign countries such as say Agadir Morocco where there's a
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disastrous earthquake while back consisted mainly of boulders piled on
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top of each other and during the earthquake even a smaller earthquake is sufficient to
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set some of these down.
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I would making any. Large scale attempt to gain
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experience and records the nature of earthquakes magnitude frequency of some of
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these vibrations which occur.
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Yes the frequency in occurrence of earthquakes is a study that has been
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taken care of pretty well by a seismologist there very interested of course in the
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results of earthquakes as well as what they can learn from them about why they occur and what the
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character of the earth is. But the recording of strong ground motion
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has been the province of the earthquake engineer and at Caltech
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and elsewhere were very active in encouraging people to put in instruments Coast and
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Geodetic Survey has an instrument program and we received a set of very
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interesting records from the recent Parkfield earthquake.
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How many local governments have they been participating in this investigation.
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Yes the city of Los Angeles recently passed an ordinance whereby
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buildings over I believe 10 stories have to have three accelerometers in
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them. Next an accelerometer is the name we use for our instrument and this instrument
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records the acceleration and at the rough and middle and in the basement building.
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Now in the event of an earthquake and we and these instruments work well we have
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records that will help us in this and determining the.
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The accuracy of the methods of analysis and design that we use. I should mention too that these
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instruments have been developed over a period of several years and are quite reliable.
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These are checked periodically you talk about these as accelerometers and such. I
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presume that these are the essential sensing element of what we
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call the seismologist instrument.
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Well it's it's a similar sort of thing it has a different technical characteristics
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because we're looking at something that is a little bit different in terms of our motion
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our instruments that sit there and wait for the earthquake to set them off. I see so there's a sort of
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triggering. Yeah see it's a little pendulum there that any acceleration reaches a certain
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set level that the instruments start and then it will run for a while until it senses that there is
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no more strong shaking you know will shut itself off and shut itself off so that you have a continuous
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graphic display that.
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Right. You mentioned Los Angeles is that has this become widespread throughout the
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United States.
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No I believe that Los Angeles is unique in requiring that more tall
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buildings at these accelerometers be in strong because we certainly have that for
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motivation.
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Yes yes the San Andreas Fault is here to remind us that
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earthquakes have occurred in this area.
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What sort of problems does the
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earthquake engineering counter. This matter of the
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foundation design what aspects of the problem can he contend with.
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Well he has a very formidable problem there because soil is a very
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difficult thing to work with and that from a analytical point of view in trying
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to decide what its properties are this in itself is very difficult. Some of the things that
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can happen to the foundation in addition to the slides is the
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lip liquefaction. And this is especially prominent in recent
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earthquake in Japan.
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What do you mean by liquefaction.
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Well what happens is that the sand is considered now sand thats
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saturated with water the water table is maybe three or four feet below the ground you have a couple
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hundred feet of sand.
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Well if this sand is not quite dense during the shaking the sand grains can come apart from
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each other so that the.
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The whole soil then assumes much of the properties of a fluid and it can
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flow. For example in the recent got earthquake in Japan
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buildings tilted several degrees hundreds of buildings tilted some
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buildings and tilted to the extent that they had to be taken down one
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of them just layed slowly over on its side.
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Yes I think I remember seeing some editors of that one woman was hanging or washing up on the
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roof of this building and was able to walk down the side of the building after it slowly
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rotated and walked off into the building and promptly fainted.
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How about with regard to the structure then you talk about the foundation problems and
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the displacement of the soil ready earth beneath the building and the
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liquefaction problem. How about the design of the building itself to withstand a vibration.
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What kind of forces for example were the nature of the forces that are induced by this acceleration.
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Why was this the earth shaking is three dimensional in that
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it shakes north south east west and up and down. So which are the
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predominant forces in the lateral forces. I think what you could call on are south and
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east west are the stronger ones.
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About two to three times usually the vertical acceleration going down sways back and
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forwards it so that an up and down.
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Yes it's a swaying motion back and forth that we're worried about. Buildings generally
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have a.
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Sufficient factor of safety for vertical vertical loads anyway so
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that this is not considered a critical problem. These are lateral
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forces that are distributed over the building. They are proportional to
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the weight of the structure because it isn't what we call the inertial loading and it's
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proportional to how strong an earthquake you have in attempting to design
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for this kind of a condition.
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The engineers in present times were in terms of what we call dynamic on
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houses literally.
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No no you have to realize that in civil engineering
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structures like buildings and dams are not unique and so the engineer has a limited amount of time to
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devote to the design of each one it's not like an aircraft we going to design build
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hundreds of them he can analyze one thing in detail. The
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design is based on building codes which represent a standard
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rules. Yes these are standard rules and Compendium of experience with
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Pastor earthquakes. However special structures where the
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risk might be very high and you want to be extremely sure such as say nuclear
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reactors in a dynamic analysis is me so that they literally do a computation of the
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motion of the building under certain types of forces or perhaps the weight of them ASA fee it is it would
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be lateral forces are based on.
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The same sort of configuration that you'd expect in a dynamic response. So you apply a
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lateral load is proportional the weight of the structure and whose magnitude is specified by the code.
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Are there any factors such as the shape or the general configuration of the building
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which enters into such question.
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Yes from a dynamic point of view here thinking of your building
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a swing back and forth. It's important that the resistance of the
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building piece symmetric in that you want to have resistance where you have
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weight of the structure so that the building will not tend to vibrate
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torsional your twist twisting motion when it occurs can be very
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damaging and Hastert quakes we've seen cases where this is cause that your
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buildings. So you like to keep the structure.
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Dynamically symmetrical by that I mean that these differences are distributed in the same way that the way it is
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so that regards the which direction the earthquake came with me motion came the
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building it would have uniforms and direction.
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Another property of interest to me talking about building design is to separate buildings especially
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those of different heights because when the earthquake comes along the building will tend to
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sway at a period determined by its properties and the building next
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door will have different properties and sway at a different period.
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If these aren't separated by enough room they can hammer together and cause quite a bit of damage I see so that
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literally the proximity then leads to interaction or pounding on the engine
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of a hammering.
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You want they want to generally are separated by a few inches to a foot
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depending on the situation.
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I don't in addition to these codes which you mention which sort of rules of
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design or certain principles in terms of the structural
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sense now that I applied in deciding whether or not a building is well
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configured for earthquake resistance.
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Well we're it's way has been called the great inspector and that
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it seems to seek out any weak point in your structure.
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So what you want to have of course then is that the structure is an enterable unit and
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to have a good structure for earthquake purposes it's very important to design
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the joint so that the structure does act together and doesn't come apart because of a weak join or a
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lack of attention to some detail. So this is very important in
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the Alaskan earthquake. Some of the failures could be laid to
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inattention to detail with a particular elements were joined together poorly and came apart during the
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earthquake and then want to starts going apart at a much weaker structure and if
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the earthquake continues for a long time as it did in Anchorage Well then it would shake the structure down.
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What is the.
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The level to which you design you attempt to designed to resist
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earthquakes are 99 percent Well no I was not kind of economically
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feasible on the present philosophy is that for the smaller earthquakes
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which you might have many of in the lifetime of a building that he mentions for example a
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hundred thousand with my family's home number that one would encounter.
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Well not in a particular that's 100000 in the world doing well but
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particular building depending on where it's located and you might be able to shake it three or four times during his
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lifetime with smaller earthquakes. It's expected that a well-designed building would not
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exhibit any damage to something of that magnitude so it would be completely resilient to a
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smaller earthquake a small rise. However it's just not economically feasible in art
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and in fact desirable to design it to remain completely elastic during the
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strongest earthquake because. Two reasons the cost of
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it would be prohibitive. Since you are designing against something that may or may not happen
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we don't know that much about the occurrence of earthquakes within any reason you know time span like
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what 50 years or 100 years we don't know if an ice quit going to come.
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The other thing to consider of this is the deflections. If you have a
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completely elastic structure and a strong earthquake it may shake quite
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a bit in the amplitudes may build up.
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So the idea is used that in the strong earthquakes we rely upon
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the yielding of some members and the plastic action
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is called to dissipate energy even in Lebanon bending.
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Yes the structures can be designed to be very ductile so that they will
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retain their strength even after they're bending just like a Cuesta coat hanger.
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Yes you can twist it many times before it breaks and it takes energy to do that well this is the sort of thing
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that where it is considered and design of buildings with a strong earthquake comes along
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willing to accept some damage no loss of life or or a
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hazard due to the persons involved but some damage can be
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accepted in view of the rarity of the event.
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So for these more severe situations then you have designed a building so that it may
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suffer some permanent affirmation and literally be twisted out of shape but would not collapse.
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You know it would not collapse and it would be repairable.
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What is the frequency of earthquakes in this area and time.
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Yes I think I'm just quote done from studies that some other people have made.
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Clarence Dr. Allen turns on the psychological lab and
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Richter I'm adding the scales name and some other people have done some
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studies on this and the data are very scant
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and you had to just kind of take a rough average over what you've experienced in the past
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but it appears that somewhere in southern California area including
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certain parts of northern Mexico you can expect a greater earthquake
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Richter magnitude seven and three quarters or greater.
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About once every 50 years 2050 would this be of the magnitude and the cause permanent
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defamation and buildings.
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Yes if they were close to the fault you'd expect. Some
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signs of distress do not collapse and even in a well-designed building.
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How about these much lighter earthquakes and we experience them every so often. I've
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never read it. I tend to cultivate keep track of them. How many of those do we really experience in this area.
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I want to plans on a size you're thinking of something that might be noticeable.
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Well you might say oh and I'm going to 3 earthquake might be noticeable
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bending on the local area.
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Some places are even and so I go for near much more quiet than others. You might get three or four of
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those a year and be strong enough to so that you'd notice and readily see
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what sort of damage is caused by these major earthquakes.
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What are we talking about in terms of the economics.
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Well I think you turned out a very significant economic loss
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in the Alaskan earthquake the damage it's very hard to spin it down to
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somewhere between 300 and 500 million dollars. The
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earthquake of the same year in the God of Japan the damages been estimated about 1 billion
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dollars. I see.
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How about some of the more recent earthquakes in a southern California area.
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They have been damaged in an extremely minor I think
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of course we haven't had a real strong earthquake either since a Long Beach earthquake in 1933
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was that tens of millions on earth was about 40 million dollars dollars and at
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that time.
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What is the nature of the work that's going on today Paul and in connection with the research
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associated with the design of the structures and so on.
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Well I should point out that at Caltech we don't actually design structures this is the job
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of the practicing engineer what we're working on is the research problems associated
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with Earthquake Engineering attempt to understand a problem yes we're trying to understand the problem we're
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trying to understand what kind of motions can occur during earthquakes.
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So we try to encourage people putting out
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accelerometers so they can measure the motion we perform
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analyses on this motion. We try to understand some of the soil
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effects that can happen. And we spend a lot of time working on the structural
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dynamics to try to find out why given certain motion what can this do
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to special structures try to understand just what it is it goes on during during
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the earthquake.
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And you mentioned. Building structures are unique and the
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response of these buildings will be different one from the other so that you don't really have a standard
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approach to the problem.
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When I feel not quite fair we have a standard approach but it has to be a rather general approach
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because it has to encompass for the practicing engineer has to compass encompass
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a variety of buildings that have come up again so that you can translate into the set of code.
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Well yes there are dogs and set of principles to go by where they
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decide depending on the type of construction they use what kind of forces should be
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designed for.
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Is all of this work that's done in the research area and all the tickler
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mathematical.
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There's been no knowing one of the recent things it's been done at Cal
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Tech is the development of machines to shake buildings this was done for
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the State Department of Architecture and these building the building shakers
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can be placed in a building and they will then put a very
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small force on this building and shake it back and forth.
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And this helps us determine what the period of the building as the oscillation character is yes the
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oscillation characteristics and what kind of shape it assumes when it sways back and forth.
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As I remember you did something like this would a dam. Yes Rita yes the.
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I can't recall a good book a Canyon Dam was shaken this way to see what kind of
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things would happen there to see if it were something that we could learn by shaking dams. It
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appears as if you could pick up some of the dynamic properties of a dam by shaking it so that there is
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literally field testing if you like.
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Yes this is very true and we learn a lot about structures when we can.
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But these machines on and shake them doesn't make sense to talk about the dynamical properties
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in terms of modeling. It can work with small scale devices. I don't have to go
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to full size building.
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You can work with small scale devices the problem is getting the scales
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correct because they are the dynamical characteristics and he has one of the problems as I mentioned before was with the
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joints of the structure and to scale the joints satisfactorily is very
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difficult to get a little to duplicate the joints of a steel building
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would be very difficult on a very small scale so that a lot of problems and so this business of having it
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in or go design which is uniform in it's well balanced in its
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characteristics throughout so that there are not weak points in it to to simulate this in a
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model is a difficult piece difficult there's some significant work being done now
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in this area. One of the things we like to do too and I think
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well the Japanese are starting this problem is to build a big platform about 50 foot square so
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that I draw likely shaking the base of it you could build it to a full size structure
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on and shake it.
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This was about science with host Dr. Robert McGregor Leon and his guest
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Dr. Paul Jennings professor of applied mechanics at the California Institute of Technology.
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