- Series
- Minds of men
- Air Date
- 1958-01-01
- Duration
- 00:29:14
- Episode Description
- This program explores how a disruption of the necessary balance between dependence and independence can mentally isolate someone from others around them.
- Series Description
- A series of explorations into effective living, combining dramatizations with commentary.
- Subject(s)
- Creator(s)
- KUT (Radio station : Austin, Tex.) (Producer)University of Texas (Producer)Sutherland, Robert L. (Robert Lee) (Interviewer)Page, Frances Eleanor (Composer)
- Contributors
- Hill, Alfred H. (Guest)
- Genre(s)
- Geographic Region(s)
- regions
- Time Period
- 1951-1960
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Transcribed the minds of men situations
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of a distance.
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In.
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Each of us has undeveloped unrealized capacities for effective
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living they await our true understanding of the mental and emotional
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forces at work within US forces which we share with the minds of men
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everywhere. It is toward a clearer picture of what goes on in our minds
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and our emotions that we work in these programs. Not that picture as it
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appears on the broad canvas of all human kind.
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But as it is revealed in the small dimensions of every day in the lives of
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much.
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Pain.
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Every time I see tech gillion I feel well funny because
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we ought to be close friends. We grew up next door to each other. Everything that ever
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happened to either family. The other one was an on Gill. We called him
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Gill van Gill peek through the crepe myrtle at my first date
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and every raúl he ever had with his family floated right in our west windows
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and there never was any of that mutual antipathy you hear so much about.
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I suppose if anything we like each other but we're not close.
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I guess nobody really is very close to gillion.
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There's something about him that won't let you be even when he's being friendly and
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cordial and glad to see
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me. SCHMICH McDonough Hello. What are you doing here. I
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brought the twins down for a visit with my family.
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No I mean here. Back in the corner at the noisiest party of the year. This is no way
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to celebrate Brit Duggan's deliverance from the minions of the Lord.
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Hi can I ask you the same question your attorney you ought to be out there taking bows.
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I'm hiding from a couple of females class to class too. Is that the
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unappealing class.
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They're all unappealing lamb. Class one. Those who have what they want are too
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smug to be appealing class to those who don't have what they want and are too
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frenzied to be appealing. Class 3 those who don't want what they have and
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are too bitter to be appealing.
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I guess that puts me in class one. I don't think of you as a female. Oh.
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Did you get teased that long ago. I'm sorry I didn't know you've been
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pretty busy from all I hear. With the trial and speaking of the trial I
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understand you did yourself proud.
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I guess that's a matter of opinion. You said an innocent man free. In my book marriage
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there aren't any innocent men or guilty ones either.
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There are just case one is lucky enough to have the foresight in case
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the heart attack ended up in them. Like me likely lucky
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break dug in and out right. It figures read it figure or it
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figures don't make a difference if you did what they said you did. You didn't do what they
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said you did. If you got a girl on your side you got it
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made. I don't believe you don't believe what you believe but give me a good lawyer.
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I don't believe tech would defend a man he thought was guilty.
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A man he knew broke the lesson the that day. This means girl
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she's great fun.
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You know you're pretty funny not funny just confused.
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What's the law me when you come right down to it it's what those twelve good folks and
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drew there in the jury box think it is an attack giving them tells them
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what.
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Think it is. I still don't believe it a sweet heart trouble
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with you is. You man enough to drink to know what you believe.
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So I'm telling you Ted don't care don't care. It just
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gives him another chance to get up there and thumb his nose at whoever said you couldn't do
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something if you wanted to. That's all he cares just Lumines
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knows you sweetheart. Terry.
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Radio. Television the University of Texas is presents the minds
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of many. A series of explorations into effective living.
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Written by the Durham twins and directed by Archie Norris. These
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programs are prepared with the assistance and counsel of the Hogg foundation for Mental
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Hygiene. And produced under a special grant from the Educational Television
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and Radio Center in cooperation with the National Association of educational
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broadcasters. Their aim. A keener understanding of a force is
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universally a work and the minds of men.
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Don't care don't care. It just gives him another chance to get out there and
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he knows that whoever said you could do something if you wanted to.
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That's all he cares just means no tax sweetheart
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who.
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Didn't have to tell me I knew I'd seen that streak any more through our growing
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up years when nothing but a couple of sycamore trees and some yard chairs stood
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between what happened at our house and what happened at his I guess brick Duggins
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phrase was as good as any tack had always been thumbing his nose at anything
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that offered to hold him or confine him or make him go the way somebody else thought he ought to
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go the way everybody else went. Even before he was
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technicality gillion even when he was just Gilgan a
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whiny little piece of humanity beginning to find out how far his legs would carry him
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just let him go.
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Myrtle no use trying to hold him or catch him if he goes around the house declare
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I never saw anything like that for he's some scooter All right.
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No use trying to pin him up either. You know what he did yesterday. He pulled five
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bars out of his playpen just pulled him right out with and sitting there laughing and egging
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him on like a boy with some some get up and go to get up and
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go try to get the housework done. Molly's getting up and going. Well one thing sure
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he's not going to wind up tied to his mamma's apron strings. We don't have to worry about
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that now with the kind of spunk that boys got. No sorry.
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You couldn't hold Gail and you couldn't pin him up
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and if you said frog he wasn't going to jump. He was going to vote
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but there were a lot of years and a lot of words and a lot of worries poured into facing
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up to that.
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Sit down Emma sit down and cool off. There's some lemonade there on the
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table. No thanks. I just ran over to ask me if she'd seen anything of
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Gail since school.
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No ma'am I haven't. Not even during school. I didn't see him at all today.
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Goodness I hope he was there once or twice lately he's just walked out after a
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witness to. It seems like him and Gail have been daggers drawn ever since you all went over to High
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School Gail says Mr. Davidge to Bolasie always ordering people around the
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principal you have got to see things go right. Gil and his daddy and
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me we've been having him round and round about that job of
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his. I wish Gairloch never got into this job thing.
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I don't know now am I kind of admire a boy that would get out and earn his own spend money.
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If it was me just spending money like the rest do. But this
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I don't know if I'll tell you or not but.
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Well he makes seventy dollars a week. Down there and two dollars a week.
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That's good. That's unbelievable.
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I know men with families that don't make money is she. That's what puts such a
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different light on it it's just he's financially independent might
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say and that's not healthy. It's not normal a boy that age long as
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you got there may keep so to speak you've got self-control.
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But this is now getting out of the car with China.
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I can't wait. Dad will be home pretty soon. Supper's nearly ready.
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I don't want to stop. I'll see you again. Don't you go running off. Can you hear me
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OK.
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OK hold tight. I just don't know. What is
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it mom. I got to get away from here.
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What is this rush. What's so important you can't even stay home to supper.
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It's just something kind of something. Well it's it's a car mom.
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A car. I'm buying a car. Charlie knows where there's one that there's a real good deal.
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I don't care for Charlie. No you are not buying any car Gail gillion Yes I am
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Mom. We'll just see what your daddy has to say about this.
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He hasn't got anything to say about it.
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Just a minute Mr. Cafferty. He's got a good deal to say about that.
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It's my money.
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I'll spend it how I please don't understand it you know I don't
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understand you one bit. Your daddy what we you. We've
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always tried to look out for you the best way we knew how what next should do
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this way.
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What way. The way you do me I'm not doing anybody any way. I just don't
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want somebody always saying to me you can you can't you will you won't.
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That's why I went out and got this job. That's why I work from 3 to 7:30 every morning of the world
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so I can have my own money. So I will have to come running for everything I need or
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want. So I can tell myself what I can do and can't do and will and won't
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I want a car mom and I'm going to have a car.
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I've got the money that says I can have a car. And anybody that doesn't like it can lump
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it.
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Gil got his car and in it he put more distance between himself and his
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family and they had ever been before but there wasn't much they could do about it
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or did do about it anyway. And we all tried to reassure them the best way
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we could.
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Oh he's just headstrong. Ama not while like the best boy are
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trouble maker like Willis Sims. He just headstrong. I do hate myself. He's a good
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boy. Canzone we always try to teach him right from wrong.
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I think he's just more mature than most of the boys so he's got good business
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sense. Look at all the ways he thought up for the high school to make money and he
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is president of the student council.
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If only we could just get next to him and somehow get to be my own
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son. He's the hardest boy to get close to. Well I feel like I know me
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here better than I know him. Well boys especially boys like you feel
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like that. They just like to go their own way.
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Gill went his own way but it was an exciting and colorful way and it
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left sparks of admiration behind him in some quarters.
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One might be.
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Chofetz so to please Rosing with chocolate cream. On.
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Hand see you in here later. No I guess not. I've been pretty busy.
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I noticed you in here one day with a bunch of kids in the booth. One of them was that
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good one. I guess maybe it was. It could have been what like
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anyone really I mean. Oh I don't know. He's
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smart energetic and original oh he's doing some crazy kind of thing.
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Nobody else ever thought I guess you'd say he's unusual.
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Unusual.
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That's a good way to put it. He's good
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looking too. In an unusual kind of way don't you think he's good looking.
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Oh thanks. For. This. In.
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That. Boy's. Got. Something. I think he. Really Got Something.
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Does he with anyway. Do you know I don't. Well. Right now
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nobody in particular nobody in particular huh. Well.
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You know something. I'd like to change that. Yes sir I sure
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would like to change that.
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She did change it. The first thing we knew Gil was going with somebody in particular
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and somebody in particular was Rose.
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What do you want to go with a girl with a name like that for.
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What's wrong with lots of nice people named Rosie. She and one of them. Now how do you know you don't even
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know her.
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I've seen her and I know her family. Their pig Trekky everyone and I'm just plain pig
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trash so what people aren't always like their family. That kind is I hear them talk you'd
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hear to if you listen.
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Your mother's right son. It doesn't do you any good with the people in this town to be seen with a
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girl like this Rosie.
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The people in this town aren't going to tell me who to go.
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No but your family is this time Gail your mother and
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me we are putting our foot down. You are not to see this girl anymore. Do you
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understand. You are not to see her or go out with her or have anything
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whatsoever to do with her. You hear me Gail and that's final.
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So you married her. It didn't last long. Nobody expected it to. So
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nobody asked any questions. I guess we just took it for granted that a marriage based on a
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thumb of the nose isn't very permanent Rosen of course didn't know what it was
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based on so she had her own explanation.
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I got it in exchange for a grilled cheese sandwich and a tall lime.
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Anything else made no. I guess that's all Rosie-Ann.
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Seems like old times doesn't it. You home for the holidays.
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Like everybody else. Boy have they been pouring in.
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How about go home yet.
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No I don't think his mother said he's not coming home this Christmas. He's
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staying at school to study or something is not like him not even come home
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for Christmas. That bar is going to keep about a mile between him and everybody else and it's the
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last thing he does will he. I understand he's taking this law school
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work pretty seriously.
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Oh sure honey he's always going to be taken something pretty seriously
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except people except the people that want to take him seriously.
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You know something means he's about the hardest person to get close to on every
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song and the more you try the more he pulls back.
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The trouble with Daily's he holds your arms length. Oh I
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don't mean really pushes you are anything like I
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mean down inside him he holds an arm's length.
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Gosh even when you're making Lumley's Rosen I
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know you want your grilled cheese and proline you could starve to death
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while I stand here yakking but I'll tell you something me. There's
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something eaten on that boy. I don't know if it always was or
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somebody heard him once and he never got over it could be the one or I suppose
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or maybe it was both. Take your choice.
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Me. I wouldn't know. Hey Sam right one squeeze one drop
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me.
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I wouldn't know either. Rosie might have had a point. She put her finger on the one
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thing we all knew about Gail. If we ever stopped to think about it that arm's
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length thing probably he's just always been like that because I don't remember his
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ever being fond enough of anybody to get very close close enough to be heard anyway.
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Oh there was one little girl move to town when we were in the ninth grade. Mary
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Lou no Mary Lee. That was it. Mary Lee
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graves little blonde character with big eyes had more of nature's
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gifts than most of us had at that age. He squired her around for a while
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took her to a few school dances.
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Gosh you look pretty tonight Mary Lee. Thank you. I guess that's no news to you
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I guess lots of boys tell you you're pretty. Oh Gil. Well don't they.
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As some of them do like Bob Arnold.
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I guess that's what he was telling you tonight on the balcony. Well was it was
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it was it was that what Bob Arnold was telling it or not out there on the balcony.
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Look D.L. I've got to go when my daddy doesn't like it if I sit out if you
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stay out on the balcony with Bhawana for half an hour you can stay in the car with me for a few minutes.
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No really. I've got to go. You've answered my question.
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Look at me Mary Lee. Don't get all you're mashing the ruffles on my groin. Who cares about them all right.
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You're hurting my arm. All right. I'm sorry.
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But you've got to tell me what was Bob Arnold saying I don't remember. Anyway I don't have to tell
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you what everybody says it talks to me.
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Lots of boys talk to me too many of them. And you smile at all of them just the same way.
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I'm just being friendly. People don't like you if you're not friendly.
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You don't have to be so friendly they eat you up. I saw the way Bob Arnot was looking at you.
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I'm not going to have people looking at you that way. You're not going to have.
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What do you mean you're not going to have Mary Lee.
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Do you like me.
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Well yes I like specially Do you like me especially.
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Why do you want to know. Because.
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Well listen mainly I never told this to anybody else.
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I never felt this way about anybody else.
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You're wonderful Mary Lee.
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I never knew there was anything like you. I can't look at you if I can't be with you enough. I've got to
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go in. No please. I just want to put my arms around you once. Just told you let me out
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of here. Go Gilliatt. I won't hurt you Mary. I won't kiss you. I won't even make your ruffles. I'll let you
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go in. If you'll just say it say that you're my girl but you're not going to be friendly
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with Bob Arnold or Charlie Haney or any of them. No say it Mary Lee you've got to
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say it.
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I don't have to. I don't have to say it. You do before you get out of this car. No I don't
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and I'll scream for my daddy if you don't get me out. But I will say something. Something
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I wouldn't have said if you hadn't acted like this.
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I'm not your girl anybody would be crazy to be your girl and let you
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think you hold her hand and foot couldn't talk couldn't
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smile couldn't even speak to anybody else. You wanna
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know what Bob Arnold said to me on the balcony did I. All right I'll tell you if you want to know
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so bad.
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He asked me to go steady with him. How do you like that. He asked me to go
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and I am I'm going right in my house this minute and funnymen told him so I did
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for you. Go Gilliard. I hope I never lay eyes on you again as long as I have.
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One.
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Yes now that I remember there was Mary. Great. But she moved
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away when we were in the tent. And besides. Gil just rushed her for a little while and
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then they didn't go together anymore.
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I don't know what ever happened to that.
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Me I. Mean.
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I know to discuss rebellion here are Dr. Robert L.. Sutherland director of the
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Hogg foundation for mental hygiene and Dr. Alfred H.M.
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Santonio psychiatrist and president of the board of directors community guidance center. Bear
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County.
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Dr. Hill how loud is is growing up. Ordinarily this
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difficult is Gil an example of how it takes place as a
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psychiatrist to observe the process.
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We certainly have to accept as one example of how it takes place
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we see him as a mature man chronologically functioning adult life
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therefore he's grown up by the usual standards in Jill's case however he
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wanted to act like a grown up man from the very beginning.
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How do you account for that sudden desire for independence.
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And in fact this great desire for rebellion against authority
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it's difficult to be certain not knowing the very early formative
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years of his life. We may speculate that the usual
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growing up experience of a combination of secure or
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dependent relations combined with
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experimental independence with good home backing
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failed to occur and when ordinarily when it fails to occur
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the fault lies with the early necessarily
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dependent biological relationship of the baby.
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Now are you saying you believe in the infant psychology or even the six year psychology
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that everything is fixed by that time. Does growing up stop at
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birth or at two years or six years.
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I believe growing up continues too many years even
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into the 40s and 50s and many of us I do believe however that
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the earlier beliefs of psychiatrists that are important for 25
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years number through sex is likely so all
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present day thinking Harbor recognizes that some significant
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changes in personality can occur through our life. It is
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not fixed at the age of six which gives us all hope for necessary changes.
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And in fact validates psychiatric treatment.
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Well and Gail's case R-TX case as we knew him later. Do you think that Merlene
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might have had some or did have some influence on him after this Mystikal age of six.
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I think Marelli and girl's case could have had
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a very beneficial effect. Instead he almost assaulted
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her with his possessive demand which frightened her. And we see that
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picture of a teenage girl almost frantically running to Charlie Arnold
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who offered a giving sharing relationship rather than
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possessing relational now while was also overly possessive
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Gill was overly possessive I think because in Merilee he
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saw the possibility of recovering a one time
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satisfying dependent relationship to his mother at the very early
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infantile level. And with that opportunity to
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recapture his only secure relationship he ran headlong
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toward it.
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Well it doesn't help us understand why later on he referred to all
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females as class two citizens.
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I think that that accounts for his not accepting a female
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relationship as being a desirable one in any way and finding something wrong
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with all three classes as he outlined them to me.
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He held other people away from himself.
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Did he also hold himself away from himself what kind of distance within
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was developed and given the distance was in this poor
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unhappy man.
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Is that frightening. Destines in the absence of the
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usual ingredients of happiness what are they.
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In order to be happy an individual needs have a secure love relationship
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appropriate to his chronological or developmental age he needs to
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have a feeling of acceptance by his fellows. He needs to feel that he
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is adding to creation in some way for most of us a
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feeling of faith is necessary for all these lacking
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in this unfortunate adult tack this feeling of faith almost
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suggests a religion.
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Do you think that has a place in the growing up process.
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It certainly has a place in the life man. Throughout history has
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needed a belief beyond him because of his own weakness and his own
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transience day on earth.
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I wonder if parents also have emotional need to these days. We hear so much talk
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about rearing children in the right way so they will be dependent
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to a minor degree only and independent not to an excessive degree.
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But what about the parents do children have any obligation to them do they have any emotional
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needs.
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Parents certainly have the most going needs because one of the properties of
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maturity is using energy to give and
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give them in maturity means being generous means propagation
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means creating and satisfying that need to
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give to children. One facet of the emotional need of parents with
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respect to children continuing respect continuing love
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consideration are needed by parents.
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Well now let's sum up by asking you what really do you mean is the difference
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between wholesome independence and rebellion or rugged individualism.
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It's a matter of degree.
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On the one hand and along with the absence
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on the other and interdependent relationship
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between individuals in the family constellation
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the absence of brotherly love the absence of close friendship
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without which one does not have balance and must
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constantly over expand in an attempt to fill that
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distance with then what hope does Gil have.
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Is there a chance that in his unhappy state he can sometime
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find happiness.
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Yes as a matter of fact paradoxically less such as an
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ulcer may cause him to stop and to seek help
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and seeking help he will have to accept a dependent relationship.
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In so doing he may recapture the experience of safety and
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a dependent relationship and out of that may be able
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to develop a love relationship which can fill the
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great void in his experience long distance within
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one of a series of explorations into effective living titled the minds of men.
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A presentation of Radio-TV at the University of Texas taking part in the
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discussion in today's broadcast where Dr. Robert Sokolow director of the Hogg
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foundation for mental hygiene and Dr Alfred H. Hill San Antonio
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psychiatrist I'm president of the board of directors community garden center. I'll bear
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accounting. These programs were prepared for broadcast under the supervision of Robert F.
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shrinking special music by Eleanor Payne. John McCoy was heard
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as Gil Gilliam Virginia Lockhart as Mitch McConnell who tells the story.
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