========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:51:25 GMT+02.00 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Ms A. Washington" Organization: University of Transkei Subject: Re: adoption I'd be interested in feminist analyses of adoption. I'm not sure what that entails. One version would surely have to include womanist analyses of adoption (womanist is to feminist as purple is to lavender, Alice Walker, In search of Our Mothers Gardens, 1986). The womanist anlyses of adoption would look at expression like 'one more child a'int gonna make no difference' and the tradition of children belonging to the community rather than to a family in the African tradition. It would have to look at ways in which this was transformed when Africans were brought to America, especially when the social welfare system began to be more invasive of community practices. What I mean is that up until a certain point in time, the Black community basically took care of its own. If a child needed a home, the child was taken in. In the sixties, there was a greater accoutability to mainstream American systems and social workers not the community began to decide on appropriate homes for children. Another aspect of this study would need to look at the impact of the IRS' legislating that children must have an social security number in order for tax deductions to be taken for them on income tax returns on adoption of children. I would be very interested in knowing if anyone is looking into any of these issues. Adande Washington A. Washington University of Transkei (0471) 302-2682 302-2595 Fax/Messages washington@getafix.utr.ac.za ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:51:26 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Heather Munro Prescott, Department of History" Subject: suffrage conference Dear WMST-L Subscribers, I am posting the following for a colleague who is not on electronic mail. Please respond to the address and telephone numbers listed below. --Heather Munro Prescott ======================================================================== The Connecticut Women's Education and Legal Fund, in conjuction with several other women's organizations in the state, will be sponsoring a conference entitled "Votes for Women: A Conference Celebrating the 75th Anniversary of Women's Suffrage." The conference will be held Saturday, October 7, from 8am-3:30pm at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. The conference will examine the role of Connecticut women in the suffrage movement, why many women did not support suffrage, post-suffrage victories, the relationship between suffrage and the abolitionist movement, African- American women in the suffrage movement, as well as current issues in women and politics. Featured speakers include Ellen Chesler, Nancy Cott, Anne Firor-Scott, and Rosalyn Terborg-Penn. For more information, contact the Connecticut Women's Education and Legal Fund at: 135 Broad St. Hartford, CT 06105-3701 (203) 247-6090 (203) 524-0804 Fax The conference is funded by a grant from the Connecticut Humanities Council. Co-sponsors of the conference are: Central Connecticut State University Connecticut League of Women Voters Connecticut National Organization for Women Connecticut Permanent Commission on the Status of Women Harriet Beecher Stowe Center Hartford College for Women Hispanic Health Council Permanent Commission on the Status of Hartford Women Trinity College Women's Center University of Connecticut Women's Center University of Hartford Downtown Center University of Hartford President's College University of Hartford Women's Center YWCA of Greenwich YWCA of the Greater Hartford Region ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:33:05 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Jo Ann Rosenfeld, MD" Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:04:56 -0400 from I, too, am an adoptive single mother of 2 girls age 2 and 7 and they will be an d are strong women. I know of a few other single mother adopters (?). It is allowed but difficult and depends on your state and county. I would also participate in any research - rosenfej@etsu.east-tenn-st.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:21:17 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Mazur Subject: Pregnancy & childbirth Does anyone have on hand a complete reference for Jessica Mitford's book The American Way of Birth? Also, can anyone recommend any good nonfiction, first-person (first-woman, really) perhaps, accounts of pregnancy and childbirth? Thank you! ELIZABETH MAZUR EASTERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY PSYMAZUR@ACS.EKU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:58:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Carol Britt Subject: Feminist approaches to adoption Elizabeth Bartholet's Family Bonds: Adoption and the Politics of Parenting combines a critique of the medicalization of infertility with a call for reform of adoption barriers. Bartholet is a professor of law at Harvard and went through IVF for many years before adopting two children from Peru. Published by Houghton Mifflin in 1993. Beth Britt Dept. of Language, Literature, and Communication Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, NY 12180 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:11:32 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Bernhard Subject: first person pregnancy and birth I believe that Niles Newton's book _Maternal emotions: A study of women's feelings toward menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth, breast feeding, infant care, and other aspects of their femininity_ (1955), NY: P.B. Hoeber, would now be considered a/the classic text, but also first person account of some of these issues. I think she was one of the first to discuss sexuality and sexual feelings related to childbirth and breastfeeding. She died not too long ago. Linda Bernhard The Ohio State University Bernhard.3@osu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:02:34 EST5EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Alena Scandura Subject: Margaret Sanger I was wondering if anyone can offer me any direction...reference material, etc...on Margaret Sanger, and also the Rosecrucians. _________________________________ Alena Scandura, Area Coordinator| UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 | (802)656-4154 mgs@house.uvm.edu | ________________________________| ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:53:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Zehra Arat Subject: circle of peace in Bosnia In-Reply-To: <199507271259.IAA09975@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Heidbra Jonsdottir, HDC" at Jul 27, 95 2:52 pm Making a circle of peace in Bosnia by 200000 women sounds like a noble idea, but I fail to see how it would be a solution to the conflict. Symbolic acts tend to have only symbolic values. Moreover, solutions require "judgements." Zehra F. Arat zarat@brick.purchase.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:22:07 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Helen Wishart Subject: Re: Margaret Sanger In-Reply-To: <199508012105.RAA21340@holmes.umd.edu> I would recommend WOMAN OF VALOUR: MARGARET SANGER AND THE BIRTH CONTROL MOVEMENT IN AMERICA (1992) BY Ellen Chesler (Simon and Schuster). Nore gripping than many a novel. Sanger apparently had a kinder view of women and culture than I do. Extensive notes and bibliography. Helen Wishart 20 Oxford Blvd. Port Colborne, Ontario L3K 5C9 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:46:05 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DP Lab Terminal #1 Subject: Re: Margaret Sanger > I was wondering if anyone can offer me any direction...reference material, >etc...on Margaret Sanger, and also the Rosecrucians. >_________________________________ >Alena Scandura, Area Coordinator| >UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 | >(802)656-4154 mgs@house.uvm.edu | >________________________________| >NO > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:47:14 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DP Lab Terminal #1 Subject: Re: first person pregnancy and birth >I believe that Niles Newton's book _Maternal emotions: A study of women's >feelings toward menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth, breast feeding, infant >care, and other aspects of their femininity_ (1955), NY: P.B. Hoeber, would >now be considered a/the classic text, but also first person account of some >of these issues. I think she was one of the first to discuss sexuality and >sexual feelings related to childbirth and breastfeeding. She died not too >long ago. > >Linda Bernhard >The Ohio State University >Bernhard.3@osu.edu >WOW > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:48:04 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DP Lab Terminal #1 Subject: Re: Feminist approaches to adoption >Elizabeth Bartholet's Family Bonds: Adoption and the Politics >of Parenting combines a critique of the medicalization of >infertility with a call for reform of adoption barriers. > >Bartholet is a professor of law at Harvard and went through >IVF for many years before adopting two children from Peru. > >Published by Houghton Mifflin in 1993. > >Beth Britt >Dept. of Language, Literature, and Communication >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >Troy, NY 12180 >AMAZING > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:35:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Dr. Carolyn V. Bell" Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: <199508011606.MAA25303@holmes.umd.edu> I am thesingle adoptive parent of a seven year old biracial boy...a true gem. He was considered special needs because of his racial status. I'm more than willing to participate in research. Let me know how I can help. Carolyn Bell bell@kutztown.edu Dept of Foreign Languages Kutztown University Kutztown, PA 19530 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:34:23 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Stolley Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:12:24 EDT from In response to your question about feminist analyses of adoption: As another list member has already suggested, __ Family Bonds__ by Elizabeth Bartholet is an excellent book (Houghton-Mifflin, 1993). Another suggestion is __ Recreating Motherhood__ by Barbara Katz Rothman (sorry, I don't have pub. info at hand). She has a chapter on adoption which, as best I remember, basically argues that if we could understand adoption, we could understand motherhood itself. This is an excellent argument in the context of her entire book which examines issues of patriarchy, capitalism, ownership of the seed, etc. A feminist colleague and I have done some content analyses on the presentation of abortion and adoption in textbooks and have given lots of thought to feminist analyses of adoption. I would be really interested in seeing a list of the responses you receive. This is a very timely topic. Kathy Stolley kss100f@oduvm.cc.odu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:16:14 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shani Dennison Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:35:50 -0400 <199508020036.UAA15001@holmes.umd.edu> I am the biological mother of a biracial boy who would dearly love to adopt a brother or sister, but cannot meet income requirements to do so. If someone is pursuing research in this area, do not neglect the class aspects of this topic. The fact that I am poor does not make me a bad mother. In fact, in some ways it might make me a better mother to prepare children for a future where there are more and more poor people and fewer and fewer rich and/or middle class. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:56:54 -0400 Reply-To: Helen Wishart Sender: Women's Studies List From: Helen Wishart Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: <199508020049.UAA14656@holmes.umd.edu> RECREATING MOTHERHOOD:IDEOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGY IN A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY (1989) by Barbara Katz Rothman (W.W. Norton and Co.) The focus is on feminist social policy. I found the chapter and notes on the difference between "patriarchy" and "male domination" particularly interesting ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:06:32 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kelli Zaytoun Byrne Subject: Take Back the Night March - Women Only Our campus will hold its second annual Take Back the Night March on September 26th. Anticipating the all too common "why can't men participate?" reaction, I'm already looking for more creative and articulate ways of responding. Ideas? Also, a while back I asked for information about contacting Jill Ker Conway and several people asked for me to let them know what I found out - she's at MIT but I have no more details. Kelli Zaytoun Byrne kbyrne@desire.wright.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:52:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheryl Nestel Subject: Re: Pregnancy & childbirth In-Reply-To: <199508011624.MAA25245@holmes.umd.edu> In response to the call for first-person accounts of pregnancy and childbirth - you might take a look at Ann Finger's book Past Due: A Story of Disability, Pregnancy and Birth (The Seal Press, 1990). It is an incredibly well written and moving account. Sheryl Nestel Department of Adult Education Ontario Institute for Studies in Education snestel@oise.on.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:02:28 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: joan r saks berman Subject: Feminist Therapy Institute *FEMINIST THERAPISTS CONFRONT THE BACKLASH: Our Clients, Ourselves* A conference addressing the foundations of feminist therapy theory, practice, and social action nationally and internationally in a period of resurgent reaction and intensified oppression. We believe our members will have created strategies and procedures to transform some of these challenges into feminist-based, ethical, life-affirming experiences for our clients and ourselves. We will all benefit from hearing and reading what each is thinking and doing. To recall from a much earlier posting, the 14th annual Advanced Feminist Therapy Institute will be held in Albuquerque, NM November2-5, 1995, at the historic La Posada Hotel. The now traditional ice cream social, continental breakfasts, Friday night banquet, feminist entertainment, and a Saturday box lunch are included in the Conference registration fee of $105. We will break at 1 pm on Saturday for you to either enjoy Albuquerque on your own or join in our group excursion tour of SKY CITY, ACOMA INDIAN PUEBLO. We will return to albuquerque for shopping at the Indian Pueblo Cultural Center (time permitting) and a New Mexico dinner at a local restaurant. The cost of the excursion is $40/person including dinner. The conference itself is open to members only, so if you are not yet a member, but would like to be, the time is now to act. Immediately send a request to Polly Taylor for membership materials. The $25 application fee will also get you a subscription to the newsletter, even if you don't join in time for the conference. Polly's address is 904 Irving Street #258, San Francisco, CA, 94122. She can also send you the call for papers for the conference. Women of Color who are eligible to join, i.e. have 5 years experience as a feminist therapist, may also attend the conference one time before joining. The call for papers for AFTI 14 in November are in the mail. You will notice a few typos because of our haste. What was left off is that Grayline, the company which is transporting us for our Saturday afternoon excursion, will offer discounts on car rentals and pre-or -post conference bus tours. Contact me for further info. The list of presentations for the Preconference Training Worskshops (Nov. 2) is: Ellyn Kaschak (keynote) -- Engendered Lives: Self in Context Mary Ballou -- Diagnosis and assessment or Name and Norms Rachel Jesefowitz Siegel -- Women after 60: Issues of Aging Elaine Leeder -- Violence in Lesbian Relationships Melinda Garcia (keynote) -- "Oh, So That's What You Mean:" Multicultural Communications With respect. Kristine Falco -- The Psychology of Breast Cancer: Mind, Body, and Spirit Jeanne Adleman -- The work of antiracsim: Learning by doing Dorsey Green -- Lesbian parenting. This workshop is open to all of the general public. Members pay $55., Nonmembers pay $65, lunch included. Please contact me directly for futher information. I have my option for the list set to NO Mail at the present time, to preserve my sanity, so I will not see a message that is sent to the list. I will be at the UN World Conference on Women in China (the goddess be willing), so I won't be available to answer questions between Aug. 26-Oct. 2. Joan R. Saks Berman, Ph.D. jberman@unm.edu PHS Indian Hospital (505) 256-4083 801 Vassar Drive NE FAX (505) 256-4088 Albuquerque, NM 87106 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:05:04 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Alexandra Pasian Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only Our campus will hold its second annual Take Back the Night March on September 26th. Anticipating the all too common "why can't men participate?" reaction, I'm already looking for more creative and articulate ways of responding. Ideas? Kelli, when faced with this question, I always talk about the symbolic aspect of Take Back the Night... how women need to come together and feel safe together, and indeed feel safe in our communities. You might also pose the question, that if men do join the march, is there a difference between that and any other night? Ironically, in my experience, when the Take Back the Night March is over, there are usually several men waiting around to escort their partners home. alexandra apasian@topaz.concordia.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:04:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gloria Cohen Subject: Women in leadership I am writing a paper comparing the success of women in leadership as they use a collegial style versus those women who choose to mime the more common male configurated top down style. I would appreciate any information on sources sucha, as well as some personal experiences which may enhance my work. Please reply privately. Thanks so much for your help! Gloria gcohen@planetx.bloomu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:14:45 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Alabiso Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508021408.KAA26822@holmes.umd.edu> from "Alexandra Pasian" at Aug 2, 95 10:05:04 am I am going to play devil's advocate here, just to spice this up, and because I'm really curious. I'm a huge advocate of encouraging men to take "women's studies" and "gender studies" courses, becauase I think it's often their first opportunity to examine THEIR role in these issues. At my alma mater, men were allowed to participate in "take back the night" marches, under the assumption that men who are willing to affiliate with "those radicals" were most often sympathetic and willing to learn. Usually we were right. Also, it was amazing to me how many of these men had themselves experienced the sexual assault, rape, or fear of a loved one, and who had honestly been moved by the experience. So my question is...is it really so bad to let some of these guys be a part of this experience. Certainly gay men would have reason to need and want to take back the night. Same would be true for men who have mothers and daughters and sisters and friends and lovers who have been through some of these damaging experiences. Does including men necessarily make the space unsafe? Are there other issues here? Please don't take this to mean that I don't support women-only space. On the contraray, I think it's crucial to our survival. I just am seeing this particular issue from a different perspective. Thoughts? Comments? --Jen jalabiso@ccat.sas.upenn.edu -- Jennifer Alabiso University of Pennsylvania ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:21:10 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Ferri Subject: feminist/adoption in re: to adoption discussion - I would also suggest writings from the standpoint of women with disabilities - a good place to start might be michelle fine and adrianne asch, i would be glad to send a bib if you are interested. i would also suggest looking at lesbian/gay writings on the topic in addition to the resources already posted. good luck beth ferri univ. of georgia bferri@moe.coe.uga.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:05:49 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Virginia B. Broaddus" Subject: texts by women unable to conceive and/or maintain pregnancies For the compilation of a book list for my dissertation, I am interested in locating texts written by women who struggle(d) with fertility issues -- specifically, those who were/ar unable to bear and or conceive children. Like so many of us working on this topic, I resist the term infertility because of the connotations of lack that surround it. I am aware of texts by Anne Fleming and other edited collections of accounts, as well as Anne Bradstreet's work, discussed by Elaine Tyler May in her recent text. If anyone has other suggestions that they could pass along privately, I would be grateful. Virginia Broaddus West Virginia University vbroadd@wvnvm.wvnet.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:07:45 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: sheryl grana Subject: depression and older women Could any of you who are familiar with depression in older women ("older" meaning 65/70+) send me some references on the subjest. I have looked at a variety of things and have found information describing symptoms, as well as the drugs used. I am most interested in how to deal, one-on-one, with older women's depressions -- more application kind of stuff. Does this information exist? Please respond to me privately. Thanks. Sheryl Grana sgrana@ub.d.umn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:14:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College" Subject: Re: first person pregnancy and birth One strong literary depiction of childbirth that I recall is Doris Lessing's in the Martha Quest series -- I forget at this time which book of the series. And it's an interesting reflection on motherhood in general -- Martha convinces herself to give up her daughter and not rear her herself in order to avoid the reproduction of the destructive relationship she has with her own mother. IOW, she is shown abandoning motherhood for the best of motherly motives. But my recollection (its been many years) is that the actual birth scene is long and drawn out. -- Gina (roboler@acad.ursinus.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:52:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Sarah M. Pritchard" Subject: U.N. Women's conference info I have just stumbled across a new home page on the World Wide Web devoted to the upcoming U.N. World Conference on Women; it's part of the official UN Web site, but it does have links to other documents and information. The URL is: http://www.undp.org/fwcw/daw1.htm (that is a "one" after the letters daw, not the letter "ell." I don't think I've seen this link referenced in other gophers/WWW pages on women's studies yet, though I can hardly claim to be comprehensive! Sarah Pritchard Smith College Libraries spritchard@smith.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:44:25 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeanne Sauvage Subject: Re: first person pregnancy and birth In-Reply-To: <199508021615.MAA12851@holmes.umd.edu> Anne Lamott's book, _Operating Instructions_ is an account of the writer's pregnancy, birth of her son and her son's first year. It includes her struggles with dealing with her family's and her friends' reactions to, as well as her own feelings about her unplanned pregnancy and her experience of single motherhood. It's very well written and interesting. --Jeanne jsauvage@u.washington.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:56:15 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: address If someone has Hilary Rose's address in England, I would be grateful to receive it. Thank you. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:35:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "WMST-L Conference @ voyager.umeres.maine.edu" Organization: University of Maine Subject: Re: adoption I am an adopted child (now 25 years old). My adoptive mother died when I was nearly three years old, so I consider myself raised in an adoptive, single parent home (daughter - father, even!). I am proof that can work! I have graduated college, and on my way to leading a successful, happy life. I am willing to take part in any research on this subject. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:41:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Dr. Carolyn V. Bell" Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508021516.LAA16488@holmes.umd.edu> Everyone is affected by the actions of a few...I happen to agree with the position that there is a place for men in the "Take back the night" activities. Can recruiting sympathetic men to the cause finally have some "trickle down" (sorry!) effect on the perpetrators of rape and violence? Perhaps not as much as we would like but the more people I have on my side of the line the better I feel. Push the men totally away and we say they can not ever empathize, understand or whatever our position. Let's open up where it benefits us all. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:25:31 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bob Bender Subject: Re: first person pregnancy and birth In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:14:14 EST from There's a birth scene in Margaret Drabble's THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH (also titled THE MILLSTONE) invovling a single mother who chooses to have her baby alone. Bob Bender University of Missouri-Columbia ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:10:24 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BL Lewis Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: Kelli Zaytoun Byrne "Take Back the Night March - Women Only" (Aug 2, 9:27am) On Aug 2, 9:27am, Kelli Zaytoun Byrne wrote: > Subject: Take Back the Night March - Women Only > Our campus will hold its second annual Take Back the Night March on > September 26th. Anticipating the all too common "why can't men > participate?" reaction, I'm already looking for more creative and > articulate ways of responding. Ideas? > > Also, a while back I asked for information about contacting Jill Ker > Conway and several people asked for me to let them know what I found > out - she's at MIT but I have no more details. > > Kelli Zaytoun Byrne > kbyrne@desire.wright.edu >-- End of excerpt from Kelli Zaytoun Byrne Be honest! Just remember, however, that there will be those of us who do not agree. I am a victim of sexual violence. I am male. If that's what you choose to do, fine. Just don't expect me as a male survivor to support you. I thin`k its wrong for anyone to be a victim of violence, and I thought Take Back The Night was to empower PEOPLE, not Women only. Like I said, don't try and pull a lot of nonsence into why you don't want men participating. Be honest. I may not agree but I will support a decision when I am given the honest reason, before I will suport a lie. -- Sincerely, BL Lewis bllewis@unity.ncsu.edu Communications Major REAL Men/ HEAR Women/ Triangle SOAR Activist: Rape Education, Sexuality Awareness, Cultural Awareness *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** ** Living in constant fear, I was a victim ** *** Helping others, I thought the pain would pass *** *** They did not. My soul and my support rebuilt the remains *** ** I have found my strength in those who cared, and am a survivor ** *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:31:59 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marilyn Guille Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only Hi, Jennifer. I totally agree that some men have some issues around safety on the street, too - so they should organize their own march, for their own issues, some other time. And the men who truly want to support women's right to take back the night understand why it's so important that they not come along on this one particular night. Since we have no way of knowing which men REALLY support our goals, how can we distinguish on that night who should participate and who not? Men can support the Take Back the Night event in MANY ways other than coming along on the actual walk. Marilyn (GUILLEM@MALA.BC.CA) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:33:39 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Ellen Green Kaiser Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:41:29 -0400 from It occurs to me that one might be able to finesse the issue of men marching at take back the night. The march could start all women, then, at some important location, the women marchers could be joined by sympathetic men, all continuing to the end of the march where the traditional speeches, etc. are given... The confluence of the two groups might be an empowering occasion for both. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:10:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynn Schlesinger Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: Re: texts by women unable to conceive and/or maintain pregnancies Date sent: 2-AUG-1995 17:04:40 > >For the compilation of a book list for my dissertation, I am interested >in locating texts written by women who struggle(d) with fertility issues >-- specifically, those who were/ar unable to bear and or conceive >children. Virginia, you might want to look at "Not Yet Pregnant", by Arthur Greil, 1991, Rutgers. Though this may not be a text written by a woman, Arthur interviewed both women and men, and their "voices" come through clearly! Also, Catherine Riessman (Boston Univ. school of Social Work) has done some research in India re: women, reproduction, inability to bear/conceive. I don't know if she has published anything yet. Good luck! Lynn Schlesinger Sociology SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh NY 12901 518-564-3004 SCHLESL@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:42:12 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Henderson Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508022034.QAA01680@holmes.umd.edu> Just my two cents here.... If men come along then women aren't really taking back the night for themselves are they? Because women are disproportionately raped, beaten, mutilated, harrassed, and followed, I believe it is important for WOMEN to take back the night. My partner is what I would consider to be a feminist/feminist sympathizer, but despite his care and concern for my safety, I would prefer at least one evening when I feel empowered and safe without him nearby... If I can feel safe in the darkest and creepiest of places while surrounded by women only, I have a feeling I can keep with me and turn to in times of fear. Lori Anne Parker (The name on the header (Anne Henderson) is not mine) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:55:06 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kristina Schelbert Brown Subject: Re: circle of peace in Bosnia GET WOMEN_VS GENDER GET WOMEN_VS GENDER2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:55:06 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gail Stygall Subject: Faculty Service In-Reply-To: <199508021404.KAA29056@holmes.umd.edu> Hello all-- This may seem to be an unusual request for this list, but I'm truly stumped. I am involved in drafting a document on how to evaluate writing program administrators' work for the organization WPA. Its relation to women rests in the high percentage of women faculty in rhetoric and composition also involved in administering writing programs, often pre-tenure. What I am looking for is references to the history of service as a category of evaluation for faculty. I can find a number of references to evaluating research and teaching and the history of such evaluations but nothing on service. I would appreciate any references, including suggestions for other lists on which such a question might be asked. Thanks, Gail ______________________________________________________________________________ Gail Stygall (206) 685-2384 English, Box 354330, University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195-4330 ______________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:00:12 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Purposes of WMST-L Our leader and beloved resident nag is away, but were she here she would post sections of the GUIDE WMST-L periodically, lest we forget various points about this list and how to use it. I thought this might be a good time to post Section 14 of the GUIDE, so here it is: 14) "THE LIST'S WELCOME LETTER MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WMST-L HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO DEAL WITH THE ACADEMIC AND PROFESSIONAL SIDE OF WOMEN'S STUDIES, ESPECIALLY WITH ISSUES HAVING TO DO WITH TEACHING, RESEARCH, AND PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION. WHAT ELECTRONIC FORUMS EXIST FOR DISCUSSION OF MALE/FEMALE RELATIONS, WOMEN'S ISSUES, SOCIETAL PROBLEMS, ETC.?" A comprehensive, frequently updated list of women- and gender-related electronic forums is available. To get a copy, send the message GET OTHER LISTS to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). It is also available on World Wide Web; the URL is http://www-unix.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/forums.html . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:18:10 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lucy Candib MD Subject: first person pregnancy and birth stories A wonderful little known book is: Winter's Child (Der Trier Morch), originally in Danish, and published in English translation by Univeristy of Nebraska Press in Lincoln, 1988. I don't have author's name handy but this ought to be enough to find it. It has wonderful author-done woodcuts of women in labor, nursing, at the moment of birth. A non- romanticized multi-class focus too. I hope this is of use. We used the woodcuts for multicultural birth pamphlets (with permission). -- Lucy M. Candib, M.D. Family Health and Social Service Center 26 Queen St. Worcester, Massachusetts 01610 508-860-7700 lcandib@umassmed.ummed.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:19:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JASMINE Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508022244.SAA30620@holmes.umd.edu> are you saying here that at all/any other given times, you DO feel empowered and safe with him nearby? My humble opinion: If you exclude men from learning and experiencing this event that is so near and dear to your heart and very very important....Then they will never be aware of the magnitude or depth of your feelings. I would assume that you would want men along just to witness this occasion. You would like them to learn - through this or any other experience - that it is not just another personal whim of yours; but something that is taken very seriously by (just pulling a number out here) thousands of women. Would we not be doing the same thing that they (men) have done/are doing. We would be saying the old thing "You don't understand, you're not a woman". Sounds familiar? Why are we assuming that they can't understand, yet when these popular words are issued by a male we become defensive. We know that the ability to understand and translate information (eg. changing the washer in a faucet) has nothing to do with one's sex. It's just what YOU have been taught. If men are willing and sympathetic to our issues, why give them the brushoff. P.S. I am not a male...I was not brought up to revere them....I'm just being me. That's it....I'm done. Bye Jasmine ------------------ On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Anne Henderson wrote: > Just my two cents here.... If men come along then women aren't really > taking back the night for themselves are they? Because women are > disproportionately raped, beaten, mutilated, harrassed, and followed, > I believe it is important for WOMEN to take back the night. My > partner is what I would consider to be a feminist/feminist sympathizer, > but despite his care and concern for my safety, I would prefer at least > one evening when I feel empowered and safe without him nearby... > > If I can feel safe in the darkest and creepiest of places while > surrounded by women only, I have a feeling I can keep with me and turn to > in times of fear. > > Lori Anne Parker > (The name on the header (Anne Henderson) is not mine) > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:24:43 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lucy Candib MD Subject: Take back the night Our community has a woman-organized TBTN every year from which men are not excluded. Not that many come. Those who do are well received as real supporters. Some drive a van adjacent to the march to pick up any one who can't make the whole walk or who needs to ride a while. One year we walked through the WPI fraternity neighborhood, and it was amazing to hear what they yelled at us. I think it's good for my son (and my daughter) to see men supporting us in this work. For more details re men, you could contact the WEAVE group c/o YWCA, Salem Sq., WOrcester, MA 01608, and perhaps they could tell how it works out in an organizational way. (The speakers, as far as I know, have all been women). -- Lucy M. Candib, M.D. Family Health and Social Service Center 26 Queen St. Worcester, Massachusetts 01610 508-860-7700 lcandib@umassmed.ummed.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:45:14 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Trudy Mercer Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508030321.XAA13860@holmes.umd.edu> I realize that the issue of "take back the night" is the concept of women walking safely at night: a group symobolizing individuals walking alone; however symbolical this is, to deny male supporters any sort of representative place or voice is to deny those who can *help* make the night safe, not by walking with you/us on any given night, but by their *political* voice in making the same demands of the community & law enforcement that this march demands. I think that the suggestion of having a male contingent gather at a designated point & joining the march is an excellant idea. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Trudy Mercer + The self is not contained in any + Seattle, Washington, USA + moment or any place, but it is only + true@u.washington.edu + in the intersection of moment and place + + that the self might, for a moment, be + + seen vanishing through a door, which + + disappears at once. + + Jeanette Winterson + + Sexing The Cherry + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:05:48 +0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: naomi graetz Subject: Wife-beating In-Reply-To: <199508030325.XAA31858@holmes.umd.edu> I'm working on a project having to do with wife-beating and am interesting in how metaphors that are acceptable to society may actually cause violent behavior towards women. Any references from any field would be appreciated. Naomi Graetz (graetz@bgumail.bgu.ac.il) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:09:05 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katheen Drew Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only In-Reply-To: <199508021847.LAA10515@odin.cc.pdx.edu> Stopping Violence Against Women in Portland with women from several other agencies organized a Take Back the Night in a public park that included speakers, singers, a clothesline project, a march, a self defense demonstration by one with heart, and a speak out. When women gather together to address issues of intimate violence or service providers come together in public places to discuss funding for programs affecting women, we have to deal with the Dad's Pack. The role the supportive men played at the TBTN was to run interference for women who did not want to deal with abusive and non supportive men. Women were also trained to perform security roles. While the women marched, there were planned activities for the men. We had the men wear arm bands that identified them as part of the TBTN support team. Worked out very well. We also had some police support- so the Dad's pack picketers stayed on the periphery. Kathy Drew ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:37:40 -0500 Reply-To: 10casmith@bsuvc.bsu.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: 10casmith@BSUVC.BSU.EDU Subject: Re: Take back the night Here at Ball State, we had a women only march, while sympathetic men held a simultaneous candlight vigil. After the march and vigil, we held a co-ed rally. Also, men provided childcare for mothers attending the march. It went exceedingly well. This way, sympathetic men participated in a symbolic way, and women marched with other women for their right to feel safe. 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Washington University of Transkei (0471) 302-2682 302-2595 Fax/Messages washington@getafix.utr.ac.za ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:06:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chris Delboni Organization: The American University Subject: Betty Friedan Hi everybody, Does anybopdy know where Betty Friedan is? What she is up to? I heard she was teaching at a university here in the Washington area. If anybody has an e-mail address, phone, fax, etc, anything, for her, I would appreciate. Please send it directly to me, not to the list, at . Thank you very much, Chris ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:48:49 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Donna Wessel Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only Thank you for opening this discussion. The TBTK night march is, in my opinion, most effective and empowering to women when it is women only because we take refuge in ourselves and our own strength. In Victoria, BC, Canada where I lived as an undergrad we even considered the police escort an intrusion to our statement and insisted on police women--not always successfully. The point of the march, as I understand it, is this: we can do this for ourselves, we are safe together, and we are strong--to make this known to women; secondarily, the purpose is to publicise both our strength and the reality of *male violence against women*. Most importantly, we are speaking to women who need to know we can take back the night for ourselves--that is what it is about. In my experience many men and women join in as the march progresses. I have seen very angry scenes ensue to get the men away. It made me feel very uncomfortable, but I believe the angry women had good reason: I know I do when I am angry. If there is one woman in the march who needs it to be woman only then that is what it must be. Men would be most supportive by doing the childminding, drop off and pick up of their partners before and after if that is felt to be necessary, OR by organising their own march to publicise violence against women, to which we could be invited. I would certainly go. I am very sympathetic to anyone who has suffered violence, but my purpose as a feminist is to prioritize the needs of women. There are very few days of the year when even ourselves, as a movement, do that. Let this be one. Donna Wessel, dwessel@macollamh.ucd.ie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:02:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Pattatucci, Angella" Subject: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) I have read the comments/suggestions focusing on explaining to men why a Take Back the Night March should be a women-only event, and rebuttals regarding why it should not be a women-only event, with great interest. Although the issue is not precisely analogous, it reminds me of several heated discussions in which I have participated regarding whether or not to "allow" straight supporters to march in Gay Pride Parades and, if so, where they would be positioned in the Parade. Collateral heated debates have centered on whether straight supporters should be invited to speak at Gay Pride Celebrations and/or other events. One discussion that I clearly remember focused on whether straight-supporters should be allowed to identify themselves as straight (banners, etc.) in the Parade. The "logic" (this was 1979) was that straight-supporters calling attention to themselves as straight, would detract from the celebration of Gay Pride and the constant struggle for Gay rights. The proposal, which at one point had majority support, was remarkably similar to the Clinton "don't ask, don't tell" policy currently in force for the military. Straight-supporters were welcome to march as long as they didn't identify themselves as straight. In the end more rational minds prevailed. We correctly noted that a vast majority of straight individuals choosing to march in a Gay Pride Parade would be doing so because they supported Gay Pride and Gay Rights. The tiny minority who might potentially march with some other agenda, should not be used as a justification for excluding an entire group from participating. Furthermore, because Gay Pride day is "Our Day", those marching with the goal of being disruptive in some way, would more than likely be dismissed as "pathological" by onlookers. Gay Pride, it was finally decided, could/should be celebrated by anyone who wanted to celebrate and contribute to Gay Pride and that it was not the function of the organizing board to prescribe how pride and support should be expressed. The decision of the organizers of the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Boston to exclude Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgendered individuals of Irish descent from marching while identifying themselves as gay, is a reverse example where a narrow-minded rationale prevailed and was even upheld by the courts. The discussion that has ensued here regarding Take Back the Night reminds me of the above examples. I recognize the need for, and supportive environment provided by, women-only space. However, I personally feel that this is an issue and an event, where all potential sources of support (financial, political, group, and personal) should be utilized to their fullest. For me, at least, Take Back the Night makes a powerful statement. We are Taking Back the Night *from* a group of individuals who have stolen it from us. In marching, we are stating that the status quo is unacceptable; we won't stand for it any longer. Presumably, we are serving notice that not only are we Taking Back the Night on the particular date that the march is held, but also on every other night as well. Considering this, I can think of no valid reason why supportive men, who share a common desire to take back the night, whether for themselves, or for relatives and friends should be excluded from doing so. The Women's Movement for years has been correctly voicing that violence against women is a man's problem. What rational basis do we have for excluding those who get the message and want to take action? Angela (Iana) Pattatucci "pattatua@dc37a.nci.nih.gov" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:10:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "WMST-L Conference @ voyager.umeres.maine.edu" Organization: University of Maine Subject: adoption again I am an adopted child (now 25 years old). My adoptive mother died when I was nearly three years old, so I consider myself raised in an adoptive, single parent home (daughter - father, even!). I am proof that can work! I have graduated college, and on my way to leading a successful, happy life. I am willing to take part in any research on this subject. Woops, didn't include my address last time: Jen_Boucher@voyager.umeres.maine.edu Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:51:04 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kay Dodder Subject: Re: Take Back The Night >The Women's Movement for years has been correctly voicing that >violence against women is a man's problem. What rational basis >do we have for excluding those who get the message and want to >take action? >Angela (Iana) Pattatucci >If men are willing and sympathetic to our issues, why give them >the brushoff. >Jasmine The answer to both these questions is that the point of TBTN is for women to empower OURSELVES. We need the experience of feeling safe and strong. Men who wish to support this (and other feminist goals) need to learn to provide that support without being the center of attention. It's not a brushoff, it's just allowing the event to be FOR and ABOUT women. If men are truly supportive and respectful of women, they must learn that they do not have access to all women at all times. I would question the "support" of any man who would not respect the woman-only space of a TBTN march. The following example is an excellent alternative which provides an appropriate role for supportive men: >Here at Ball State, we had a women only march, while sympathetic >men held a simultaneous candlight vigil. After the march and >vigil, we held a co-ed rally. . . . This way, sympathetic men >participated in a symbolic way, and women marched with other >women for their right to feel safe. >Christine Smith Kay Dodder kdodder@bird.library.arizona.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:13:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gene Shaper Subject: Re: Wife-beating Check philology and etymology, and semantic anthropology for starters. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:26:33 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: address--thanks The list came through again. I have Hilary Rose's address so don't spend time on this. Thanks. Ethel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:55:54 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: CARMEN POULIN Subject: Re: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 03 AUG 1995 12:02:00 -0300 In response to Iana's comments (andher analogies using the Gay Pride day and the Irish Parade) to the decision of including or not including men at take back the night marches, I would like to offer the following: 1. Women are a visible minority, only some of us can "pass" as men whereas most of us are assumed to be straight (whether or not it is true (see previous list discussion on "passing" for more details). 2. The status of "opressed group" does not apply to the Irish Group like it applies to women or lesbians and gays. 3. I think we have "heard" that there are some fairly good arguments to include and to exclude men from Take back the night marches and maybe it's OK to let organizers decide what emphasis they want for their marches (!!!). 4. To bring the topic back to teaching, in my community, men are excluded from the march for reasons already mentionned on this list, but can take part in the rally, the after-the-march -gathering, and the in-support activities. When students ask me why men are excluded, I give them these reasons and let them discuss whether or not they agree. The take back the night events are events in which students can participate to accumulate participation points. Following the march, Women are asked to write a one page commentary about their experience at the march (unless they could not attend for some specific reason and wished they could have attended (in which case we make special individualized arrangements). Men are asked to write a slighly longer (about 2 pages) commentary (unless they choose to take part in the in-support activities), which include a reflection on being excluded from a part of the activities. Students, both males and females, really like this event as one of the options to gather points (they have many options to gather participation points so they do not have to take part in any specific one). Some of the women bring their friends, their mothers, their sisters, etc., they involve their boyfriends in the "in-support" activities, etc. They seem to learn from it and have great discussions. 5. I'm sorry I have taken so much space but I would like to suggest that we might have gone around this one long enough (oh sure! after she just used up 3 screens... I know I know...). It's a suggestion. Carmen Poulin Carmen@unb.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:26:56 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lorraine Pozzi Subject: Re: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) In-Reply-To: <199508031801.OAA29761@holmes.umd.edu> On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, CARMEN POULIN wrote: > 4. To bring the topic back to teaching, in my > community, men are excluded from the march for reasons already > mentionned on this list, but can take part in the > rally, the after-the-march > -gathering, and the in-support activities. Following the march, > Women are asked to write a one page commentary > about their experience at the march... Men are asked to write a slighly > longer (about 2 pages) commentary (unless they choose to take part > in the in-support activities), which include a reflection on being > excluded from a part of the activities. > ... Some of the women bring their friends, their mothers, their > sisters, etc., they involve their boyfriends in the "in-support" > activities, etc. They seem to learn from it and have great discussions. > > Carmen Poulin > Carmen@unb.ca > I think this is the best suggestion I've seen. It provokes THOUGHT more than hostility or divisiveness. Wish I could take credit ... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:56:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Pattatucci, Angella" Subject: Your post to WMST-L While I understand the position and rationale behind making TBTN marches women-only events and certainly agree that there are ways in which supportive men can participate that will not interfere with the goal for "women to empower OURSELVES", I want to comment briefly on the following quote from a recent post made by Kay Dodder. "Men who wish to support this (and other feminist goals) need to learn to provide that support without being the center of attention." Again, I believe that I have a grasp of the history and reasoning behind this statement, but why does one have to operate under the assumption that men participating in a TBTN march will automatically seize control and make it their event? Although I agree that men often dominate space, it does not necessarily follow that (to paraphrase the Christian Bible) "Where two or more men are gathered, they will dominate and make themselves the center of attention." A case in point are the March on Washington for Abortion Rights and Reproductive Freedom events in which I have participated. These have not been women-only events (although women have always outnumbered men), nor in my opinion did men make themselves the center of attention. This seems to represent a good example where women and men can, and successfully have, banded together to make a political statement on a women's issue where men have not dominated the scene and made themselves the center of attention. I am not denying that men often DO dominate space. However, I think we enter into a dangerous area when we assume that it will *always* occur. This sets up an "us against them" mentality, severely undermines trust, and ultimately hinders progress. Angela (Iana) Pattatucci pattatua@dc37a.nci.nih.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:54:14 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: Wife-beating In-Reply-To: <199508030508.BAA28002@holmes.umd.edu> On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, naomi graetz wrote: > I'm working on a project having to do with wife-beating and am > interesting in how metaphors that are acceptable to society may actually > cause violent behavior towards women. Any references from any field > would be appreciated. > > Naomi Graetz (graetz@bgumail.bgu.ac.il) > JUst a quick note on this subject. I think that the term "domestic violence" domesticates the issue as it were and may actually make violent behavior more acceptable, keeping it in the private, familial, less serious realm. kathy miriam ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:50:28 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "AY Crawford (Audrey)" Subject: Re: Take Back the Night March - Women Only -Reply It has always seemed to me that part of the Take Back the Night March was the sense of empowerment women get by doing something on their own. I expect (I admit that this is often my response) that a lot of women will feel "safer" on the march if there are men present -- so the presence of the men sets the tone -- rather than the presence of the women. It's very difficult for women to assume leadership with men present, whether the men intend to usurp or not. I'd be willing to bet that the media will focus on the few men present in the march, as well. I agree with Marilyn that there are other ways for men to support women in this endeavor. I see the purpose of the March as not an issue of solidarity but an issue of generating a new sense of power for women. In general, walking alone down the street in the dark has a totally different meaning for women than it has for men. Thanks. Audrey Crawford crawford@shell.com >>> Marilyn Guille 08/02/95 03:31pm >>> Hi, Jennifer. I totally agree that some men have some issues around safety on the street, too - so they should organize their own march, for their own issues, some other time. And the men who truly want to support women's right to take back the night understand why it's so important that they not come along on this one particular night. Since we have no way of knowing which men REALLY support our goals, how can we distinguish on that night who should participate and who not? Men can support the Take Back the Night event in MANY ways other than coming along on the actual walk. Marilyn (GUILLEM@MALA.BC.CA) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:41:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judith Roes Hammerle Subject: Re: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) Carmen Poulin talked about "in-support" activities for men around Take Back the Night march. What kinds of thngs have people done for such activities? Thanks Judith Roes Hammerle Adrian College jhammerle@adrian.adrian.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:49:25 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: CARMEN POULIN Comments: Originally-From: CARMEN POULIN From: CARMEN POULIN Subject: Re: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 03 AUG 1995 12:02:00 -0300 My appologies for the message sent regarding the analogies Iana used. It was not comprehensible. Let me try to re-explain what I was trying to say: 1. To compare men taking part in a take back the march to straights taking part in a Gay pride march overlooks the "visibility" of men in a take back the night march to the invisibility of straights in a Gay pride march. 2. To compare gays wanting to join an Irish Group Parade with Men wanting to join a take back the night march overlooks the relative power difference between gays (in relationship to the dominent Irish Group) and men (in relationship to the "opressed" women group). In other word, the power difference between these two pairs are reversed . Carmen Poulin Carmen@unb.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:24:24 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Subject: Re: Relationships between women and their bodies In-Reply-To: <199507301950.PAA06391@holmes.umd.edu> Anne and all -- My talented sister's first novel is coming out in October, it's called The Passion of Alice (by Stephanie Grant, HOughton Mifflin) and it moves through four women's experience in an eating disorder rehab. The book is getting raves in pre-publication review, and as someone who has struggled with an eating disorder as well as healing from sexual abuse, this book addresse s many of these issues in a non-polemical, deep way. I hope you can use it in your work. Best regards, Jaime On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, Anne Henderson wrote: > Hi- I am currently in the process of creating a reading list on the > subject of women and the ways they relate to their bodies, and how > these relationships are impacted by patriarchy. I > am a philosophy graduate student and particularly interested in feminst > theorists' work on the subject. > > Topics/questions I am interested in include, sexual expression/actions > that reveal relationships to the body, self-destruction of the body > (anorexia, bulemia, etc), ideas on motherhood, debate on the female > body and whether or not it enables female-specific knowing... > > I realize the above may seem rather vague, but any input > will be > greatly appreciated. I am in the beginning stages of generating thoughts > on this and am not sure where to start as far as feminist reading is > concerned. > > Thanks in advance, and if anyone is interested I'll post information I > recieve. Please respond privately so as not to clutter the list. :) > > Lori Anne Parker > bd27594@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:31:55 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katherine Side Subject: Re: Wife-beating In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:54:14 -0700 from Can anyone help me locate some material for a friend, for her comprehsive exam reading list? It is a book called Battered Jewish Wives, by Mimi Scarf. She has heard people referring to it in conversation, but has had no luck in tracking it down. Any specific info. would be appreciated. Please respond privately. Thanks in advance. Katherine Side klside@vm1.yorku.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:07:01 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Ann Duffy Subject: Social work conference reference Hi! I'm new to the list, a secondary school teacher in Toronto. I have an unusual request. I'm finding these confereances enormously stimulating. I would like to introduce my sister to their valuable resources. Could someone in this august company recommend to me a list where she could find like-minded people: she helps to administer a "Joblink" program to participants on social assistance, helping them get retrained and into the workforce. Her program is a national award-winner, but like many such programs, heavily under fire in the present political climate. She could use some good "lines" to help argue for this program and can probably find them on-line. Would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Mary Ann Duffy (maryduff@village.ca) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:52:04 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: kohlbe00 Subject: unsubscribe Please take me off your list. Thank you. Bettina Kohlbe00@dons.ac.usfca.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:13:28 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chris Delboni Organization: The American University Subject: White House Directory Thank you very much for everyone who responded to my search for Friedan. Being out for two months, I had missed the Post piece on her. Anyway, I remeber retrieving, a long time ago, a list of phone numbers, or a staff directory for the White House. I thought it was from this list. If anybody remembers anything like it, I would appreciate the direction for retrieving it again. I can't find it anywhere. Again, please respond directly to . Thanks a lot, Chris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:30:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allison Hirschman Subject: undergraduate interdisciplinary feminist journals...? I was wondering if anyone knows of an interdisciplinary feminist journal that gives undergraduates the opportunity to publish papers. If so, please let me know privately at hirschma@gar.union.edu. If not, would anyone have any information/advice on how to start one or any feedback on whether it would be a worth-while cause? Thank you for your time, Allison Hirschman Women's Studies Union College -hirschma@gar.union.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:41:06 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Re: Excluding/including people (cf. TBTN march) In-Reply-To: note of 08/03/95 14:54 As substitute nag while Joan is away, I appreciate the way Carmen Poulin brough t this discussion back around to teaching, one of the focuses of this list. And I would second her suggestion that "we might have gone around this one long enough" unless people have things to add that are directly related to the WMST-L's specific purposes, i.e., women's studies administration, teaching, or research. Thanks so much for your cooperation. Linda Lopez McAlister acting listowner ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:58:26 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: WMST-L FILELIST A couple of recent posts remind me to remind you that there is a wealth of information stored on the WMST-L FILELIST, including, e.g., a document that lists other feminist lists you or your friends might find interesting to join, and a list of E-mail addresses for people in government. I encourage you to send the command INDEX WMST-L to listserv@umdd.umd.edu ( or listserv@umdd on Bitnet) which will get you a copy of the WMST-L FILELIST and that, in turn, will give you the specific names of the files you may want to request from listserv (the command is GET plust the two word name of the file). You may well find just what you're looking for archived on the list, and you won't have to send a message to the whole list about it. It's not that we don't want to hear from you, but heavy volume is a perennial problmen with this list, so it's good to keep your postings to subjects that all may be interested in. Thanks again. Linda Lopez McAlister Department of Women's Studies University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:56:57 GMT-700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gunseli Berik Organization: Economics Subject: readings for circle of peace-bosnia I recommend the following readings and videos for those who think there is any merit to the circle of peace-bosnia idea (as well as those who might wish to integrate Bosnia into their women's studies or crosslisted course readings under the topics of genocide, genocidal rape, attacks on/destruction of multiculturalism--an international perspective): Books: 1) Roy Gutman, Witness to Genocide, MacMillan, 1993. (The 1993 Pulitzer Prize winning dispatches on the "Ethnic Cleansing of Bosnia. 3-4 page accounts of the different aspects of the Genocide and the attitudes of ethnic purity and anti-multicultural hatred fueling it. Eyewiness accounts. People's lives, not statistics, emerge, a couple of essays address rapes.) 2) Alexandra Stiglmayer, ed., Mass Rape: The War against the Women in Bosnia-Herzegovina, University of Nebraska Press, 1994. (Includes interviews with rape survivors and Serbian perpetrators, essays investigating mass rape from sociological, ethnopsychological, cultural and medical perspectives; includes useful introduction to the history of the current conflict) 3) Rabia Ali and Larry Lifschultz eds., Why Bosnia? Writings on the Balkan War, Pamphleteers Press, 1992. (contains essays on history, poetry, witness reporting, political commentary and analysis). VIDEOS: 1) "War Crimes Against Women." A 15 minute (abbreviated version of a work in progress) documentary. (explores the systematic abuse of women; interviews with women, themselves victims, who are now working with refugee women, focuses on domestic and international responses to systematic rape; considers the provision of humanitarian services to refugee women and their families. Narrators are a Croatian lawyer and Bosnian judge, both survivors of rape). Can be obtained from director/producer Mandy Jacobson (212) 219-1385 (longer version may be complete soon). 2) "Eyes of Bosnia." 45 min. Feb 1993. witness accounts about the sufferings and pains of Bosnians, including concentration camps, camps for women, etc. Obtainable from Sharon Silber, (212) 496-4550. These are only a basic set of sources. If you need further information on sources please respond privately. Also if anyone is interested in becoming more involved in organizations helping women survivors of rape in Bosnia or preserving the endangered Bosnian culture or in other ways, you may contact me. Gunseli Berik berik@econ.sbs.utah.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:01:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Schweitzer Villanova University Subject: Re: take back the night -- women only? I think it is good for sympathetic men to be able to join some portion of a take back the night march or rally, because I believe that one important component to these issues is getting men to identify with the victims as individuals, rather than the victimizers as men. If a man were to steal your watch when you were alone on campus, I don't think too many other men would sympathize with the thief and blame you for wearing and expensive watch in the first place, would they? One of the biggest hurdles in getting society to deal with violence toward women is the propensity of so many men to sympathize with the accused abuser, as if they themselves had been abused. They have a role to play here, too: they have to come to the realization that jokes, snickering, good-old-boy encouragement of ANY act of violence toward ANY individual is wrong -- again, how many of them would think it hilarious for a senior to rob a freshman blind (yes, some would -- they're hopeless.) But it shouldn't be the women's responsibility to have to distinguish between sympathetic and angrily critical men -- that is a job for the men's support group. And it is part of the role they MUST play -- to show their support of the goal to end violence and abuse to ANY individual -- to show that it is the abusers who should be the outcastes. The anger showed by the young man who had been abused is, however, one of the problems that has to be dealt with. No one should be bringing anger TOWARD the group, INTO the group. We have all been the recipients of too much anger, too much disbelief, too much unwillingness to focus on the problem as we have defined it. If I were him, I believe I would discuss this issue with the women's group leaders in a private setting, to figure out how to draw attention to that problem without taking attention away from the agreed-upon focus of the march. The march is not the time to debate administrative decisions. We had a Take Back the Night march on our campus (Villanova) a year ago; it was attended by men as well as women. A group of fraternity men looked ready to disrupt it, but some of us were able to defuse that. There were still some catcalls -- though not nearly the number I would have expected -- and this, I think, can be a learning experience for sympathetic men. But we were disappointed that NO male faculty showed up at all. It is interesting (I think) that the female faculty find some time in our classes to discuss these issues with the students -- but the men never do. Why not? Where are their voices? I would have liked to have seen male faculty there supporting us -- particularly the male faculty who teach in the women's studies program. The best solution appears to me the one that several campuses have used -- a separate gathering point for men who wish to show support, then at some point the two groups coming together for a rally. But the men are going to have to understand that this is NOT the occasion to criticize the women's actions, or cast doubt on their stories. It is not a trial, but a celebration of overcoming vulnerability and victimhood. May I also suggest that before the group disburses, the organizers use the opportunity to sign students up to be actively involved in organizations or committees designed to achieve one or another goal in "taking back the night"? As a veteran of many a march, too often I recall participating, feeling good about it, and then being left with a "now what?" feeling, isolated again. There is plenty to do in the daylight, when the march is over. -- Mary Schweitzer, ASsoc. Prof., Dept. of History and Women's Studies, Villanova University schweitz@ucis.vill.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:22:00 EDT Reply-To: loconnell@bridgew.edu Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was loconnell@BRIDGEW.EDU From: loconnell@TOPCAT.BRIDGEW.EDU Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE i WOULD LIKE TO UNSUBECIBE FROM WMST-L ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:42:43 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Angela Humphrey Brown Subject: looking for information Can any one point in the direction on material related to African American wome n in the "Academy" or material on women and the issue of silence? Any directio n you can give will be much appreciated. Angela Mrs . Angela Humphrey Brown 236 Frederick Drive Athens, Georgia 30607 7065483346 abrown@uga.cc.uga.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:03:05 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: GUIDE WMST-L: VARIOUS WAYS OF QUITTING THE LIST From time to time sections of the file GUIDE WMST-L are sent out to the list for your information and assistance. Here are the sections pertaining to unsubscribing to the list and to stopping the mail temporarily. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) "WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LISTSERV@UMDD AND WMST-L@UMDD? HOW DO I TELL WHICH ADDRESS TO USE? AND HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE?" WMST-L@UMDD (or WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU on Internet) should be used ONLY for messages that you wish to send to all WMST-L subscribers. 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To stop the digest and go back to individual messages, send LISTSERV the following 2-line command: AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE (on line 1), SET WMST-L MAIL (on line 2). Reminder: If you wish to stop the digest AND unsubscribe, you must send LISTSERV a two-line message: UNSUB WMST-L on one line, AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE on the other. See section 6 for more information about the digest. 5) "I'M GOING ON VACATION FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. CAN I STOP MAIL WHILE I'M AWAY, OR DO I HAVE TO UNSUBSCRIBE?" You can stop mail temporarily (except for the digest) by sending the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (if you subscribed on Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (if you subscribed on Internet): SET WMST-L NOMAIL NOTE: NOMAIL is one word When you want mail to start arriving again, send the following message to the same address: SET WMST-L MAIL If you want to stop the DIGEST, even temporarily, you have to send the message AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE . To re-start it, send the message AFD ADD WMST-L PACKAGE (and ignore the request that you establish a password). Note: BE SURE TO SEND THESE MESSAGES TO LISTSERV, NOT TO WMST-L! Also, if you receive a message back telling you you're not a subscriber, see section 4) of the GUIDE WMST-L. Linda Lopez McAlister Department of Women's Studies University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:06:26 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Giavanna Munafo Subject: writers in the Western Cape I am posting this inquiry for a colleague. PLEASE respond privately to her at the email adress listed below. Thanks, Giavanna ********** I am planning to be in the Cape Town area doing research on a Fullbright proposal concerning how the promotion and protection of human rights is transferred into literature and education. I am especially interested in interviewing writers who are working on the theme of freedom as it applies to women and young people. But I need your help. I'm trying to locate writers organizations and theatre groups in the Western Cape. One writer who I am especially interested in is Elinor Sisulu who has a children's book coming out with the Boston, MA publisher Little Brown. I realize I am asking you for names and contacts of writers and organizations and should therefore tell you a bit of my background. I have a background in education and literature and hold degrees from Harvard University and the University of Massachusetts. I teach poetry at the University of Oregon and worked for Amnesty International for 5 years running their youth and human rights education programs in Boston. Many thanks for all your help! Sincerely, Susan Rich srich@darkwing.uoregon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:31:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: Re: take back the night -- women only? As part of a longer post, Mary Schweitzer wonders about male faculty. > But we were disappointed that NO male faculty showed >up at all. It is interesting (I think) that the female faculty find >some time in our classes to discuss these issues with the students -- but >the men never do. Why not? Where are their voices? I would have liked >to have seen male faculty there supporting us -- particularly the male >faculty who teach in the women's studies program. As a male faculty member I do not take part in TBTN marches unless specifically asked. As discussed by others on this list, sometimes men are welcomed and sometimes not. If I ask the student organizers if I should attend, I place them in the awkward position of having to tell me, a faculty member, "no," if they want it to be a women-only experience. If TBTN folks want men to join them they should make it clear that men are wanted. It's sometimes difficult for male faculty to know how to behave so as to be most supportive. Arnie Kahn kahnas@jmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:57:30 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Film Review Added: The Net On Saturday, August 5, 1995 I will be reviewing "The Net" on "The Women' Show" Tampa, Florida's weekly womanist/feminist radio magazine on WMNF-F (88.5) "Radio Free Tampa." It will be available later today for retrieval from the FILM FILELIST. To obtain this review send the following command to Listserv @UMDD (Bitnet) or UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): GET FILM REV149 FILM To obtain a list of all the film reviews available, send a message to the same listserv address that says: INDEX FILM To get more than one review, put each command on a separate line: GET FILM REV6 FILM GET FILM REV14 FILM GET FILM REV39 FILM The opinions expressed in these reviews were mine when I wrote the review and represent one woman's opinion at a particular time.We have over 3000 subscribers to WMST-L so there are probably 2999 other views. If you would like to share yours, please do NOT do so on the WMST-L itself, but send your messages to me personally at the addresses below. I have appreciated the feedback I've received. Thanks. Linda ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:10:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Grayson Subject: Re: looking for information In-Reply-To: <199508042046.QAA07341@holmes.umd.edu> from "Angela Humphrey Brown" at Aug 4, 95 04:42:43 pm Mrs. Brown: There are a couple of places you can look for info regarding Black women in the academy. BEcause I am away from my office for the summer I cannot give you EXACT citatio, however, try the current issue of SIGNS -- there is an article by the editors of the Womanist newsletter. Also, in another issue of SIGNS (maybe Fall 1994?) there is an article by Ann du Cille thto me was excellent. Finally, Callaloo, maybe two or three issues back now, had a special section of papers given at the Black women in the Academy Conference held last winter at MIT. The papers that stand out in my mind were by Elizabeth Alexander and Mae Gwendolyn Henderson. If I locate more specific citations I will post the to you privately. Deborah R. Grayson University of Rochester drgn@uhura.cc.rochester.edu > > Can any one point in the direction on material related to African American wome > n in the "Academy" or material on women and the issue of silence? Any directio > n you can give will be much appreciated. Angela > > Mrs . Angela Humphrey Brown > 236 Frederick Drive > Athens, Georgia 30607 > 7065483346 > abrown@uga.cc.uga.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:21:50 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sokari Subject: Re: looking for information Try reading various bell hooks and Michelle Wallace >Can any one point in the direction on material related to African American wome >n in the "Academy" or material on women and the issue of silence? Any directio >n you can give will be much appreciated. Angela > > Mrs . Angela Humphrey Brown > 236 Frederick Drive > Athens, Georgia 30607 > 7065483346 > abrown@uga.cc.uga.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:39:21 +1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynne Alice Subject: Hiroshima Day, Mururoa Protest In Aotearoa (New Zealand) today is Hiroshima Day. Many acknowledge the murderous wartime actions of the US military upon the Japanese, with (peaceful) demonstrations. The destruction of life in Hiroshima and Nagasaki signifies (among many things) the invisibility of women's and children's lives in military and political governance. This is another opportunity for feminists to protest.........The following site may be a useful place for reflection : Hiroshima Links.Web Links to Hiroshima . The A-Bomb Dome, once the Hiroshima Prefecture Industrial Promotion Hall, has been preserved as a reminder of the atomic bombing. http://www.peak.org/~danneng/hiroshima_links.html (4K) The City of Hiroshima The Program of Hiroshima Peace Memorial Ceremony . Peace Declaration to be presented on August 6, 1995 . http://www.city.hiroshima.jp/ (1K) Today also, three of the eighteen boats in the peace flotilla to Mururoa leave from Auckland. The following sites are available on the Internet (using Netscape or Mosaic, with Soundscape) for further information http://www.world.net/yoursay/pr_net.html Mururoa va Vivre! We want to put this song onto the lips of antinuclear activists everywhere. Full song (2MB 8bit mono) http://mat.sapp.auckland.ac.nz/biggie/vivre.html (1K) Cyber-Vote Anti-Nuclear Petition Anti-Nuclear Weapons Petition . Also see Who's Doing What for an update of the growing movement against the French Testing in the Pacific. This petition is addressed to the French. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~midac/ (20K) The French Nuclear Fallout The Nuclear Fallout . On Tuesday, June 13, 1995 France announced it would resume nuclear weapons testing at Mururoa Atoll in the South Pacific. http://www.vicnet.net.au/~theage/french.htm (2K) Debats de Chab Le debat : a couteaux tires . Le president francais a decide de relancer une "derniere" vague d'essais nucleaires a Mururoa. Cette decision ne semble pas pour l'instant soulever une grande contestation en France. . Que vous soyez francais ... http://gplc.u-bourgogne.fr:8080/Debat/Welcome.html (<1K) Mururoa . . FERMIAMO I TEST NUCLEARI FRANCESI! . ORA! . Fermiamo i test nucleari! . Il 13 giugno scorso a poco piudi un mese dall'insediamento, il nuovo Presidente francese Chirac ha annunciato di voler riprendere i test nucleari in Polinesia nell'ambito di un programma di sperimentazione di ... http://www.videomusic.com/ambiente/greenpeace/chirac.htm (5K) Have Your Say : Email Protest on the Internet Send Email to Le Monde (France's Leading Newspaper) Lemonde@vtcom.fr Send Email to President Jaques Chirac (English Version) http://mosaique.oleane.com/cgi-bin/mailcandgb?elysee/fratxt/journal/forums+J acques+Chirac French Embassy Web Site in Washington D.C.,USA http://www.town.hall.org/travel/france/embassy/ _________ Women's Studies, Massey University, Private Bag 11-222 Palmerston North, Aotearoa (New Zealand). Tel. (06) 350.4938 or 350.4417 Fax (06) 350.5627. URL:http://cc-server9.massey.ac.nz/%7Ewwwms/ - ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:41:47 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatrice Subject: Re: feminist/adoption In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:21:10 -0400 from I'm surprised that the issue of the birth mothers has not come up in relation to adoption. It seems to me we have a responsibility to be concerned about women who are coerced to give up their children. Open adoptions, practiced in some few places may or may not work in all. I'm reminded of a Jamaican woman whose mother had raised a girl as her own daughter. When the birth mother was settled in England and sent for her daughter, the adoptive mother sent her. The expressed attitude was: `a child is not a cow to be given away or sold.' beatrice bfdgc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:11:31 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Antoinette M. Szymanski" Subject: Re: looking for information I recall a few articles by women of color in Working-Class Women in the Academy (ed) by Michelle Tokarczyk. See also Fiol-Matta (ed) -- Women of Color and the Multicultural Curriculum, Josephine Davis (ed) -- Coloring the Halls of Ivy, and bell hooks -- Teaching to Transgress. aszymanski@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 02:25:03 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara A Face Subject: citation Hi, I am posting this message for a friend who is not on the list. Please reply to her not to the list. Thank you for your help! ____________ Does anyone out there have the citation for an article co-authored by Abena Busia and Ania Loomba which focuses on the colonial discourse in Shakespeare's _The Tempest_, especially the participation of the two female characters, Miranda and Sycorax? I believe that "Miranda" and "Sycorax" both appear in the title. Thank you, Connie Richards (Ph.D. candidate Ohio State University) e-mail: crichard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 11:58:10 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Kitchen Subject: JOB POSTING I am posting this for my colleagues who are not on the list. Please respond privately to Professor Kechnie or Levan (address listed later) DO NOT REPLY by e-mail. CONTRACT POSITION COURSE PREPARATION FOR DISTANCE EDUCATION WOMEN AND VIOLENCE The Women's Studies program at Laurentian University offers students working at a distance the opportunity to complete a degree in Women's Studies. We are attempting at the present time to extend the number of courses available to students. FOr this reason we are looking for someone to write a course based on an already existing course on Women and Violence. Please see course description below. We are looking for someone to write the entire course or for different people to write individual units which will be edited to make a complete course. When applying authors will be expected to sub,it a course or unit proposal and provide a smaple of their writing. For a copy of the existing on campus course outline, a sample of a unit from another course which can be used as a model for the development of this course, and for details regarding remuneration please contact either: Margaret Kechnie, Program Coordinator OR Andrea Levan, Course Instructor Women's Studies c/o Thorneloe College, Laurentian University Sudbury, ON P3E 5S2 Telephone: 705-675-1151 ext 1052 Fax: 705-673-4979 Course description: WOMN 2405E women and violence this course provides an overview of women's experience of violence, examining the causes and interconnectedness of specific issues, the methodological and ideological assumptions of various sources of information and the effectiveness of proposed solutions. AS well as exploring violence against women, this course will consider women's own violent behaviour and the extent to which global violence may be understood in the context of gender differences. Thanks. Jane Kitchen (jkitchen@nickel.laurentian.ca) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 20:47:25 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was zas@DNS.NETVISION.NET.IL From: Marlene Zaslow Subject: info request ------------------------------------- Name: motie zaslow E-mail: zaslow@netvision.net.il Date: 08/06/95 Time: 20:31:38 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- Interested in references on two topics: Parenting issues for women incest survivors, particularly group treatment and curriculum for course on feminist therapy. I'm a member of a non-profit collective dedicated to feminist therapy in Israel. Interested in communicating with interested members of the list. Please communicate directly so as not to overload uninterested list recipients. Marlene Zaslow ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:38:53 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatrice Subject: Re: adoption In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:51:25 GMT+02.00 from Social workers intruded on families long before the 1960s. But, as Linda Gordon has shown, women sometimes used the welfare system to protect themselves and their children from relatives, their own and their husband's. It seems to me that among the missing elements in the adoption discussion (I mentioned birth mothers yesterday) is the question of why and how women become pregnant and give birth to children they cannot or will not rear. The welfare system is not independent of the systems within which it operates, gender, race, and class. I wonder about calling on `an African tradition' Africa is a large continent with varied histories among the people who lived there before the European invasions. Beatrice bfdgc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:02:24 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "J. Van Every" Subject: take back the night The discussion seems to be confusing some issues around the issue of WHY men might be invited/allowed to join the march. Clarifying these might make it possible to organize actions around sexual violence which did not exclude/alienate male survivors of sexual violence NOR compromise the politics of (some) women organizers. 1) to the extent that it is a demonstration about sexual violence, the purpose is to raise awareness and, therefore, all sympathisers should be welcome. Also, survivors of sexual violence, whether men or women, should be able to participate. BUT (2) the name "take back the night" indicates that it is NOT solely a demonstration like those for abortion rights or against the war. It is about women's ability to walk the streets unaccompanied by men. Women generally have this ability in daylight but after dark are often 'punished' for doing so. In this sense it is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to have men on the march because then women are accompanied by men. This distinguishes between male and female survivors in that while men are raped/sexually assaulted/etc. there is not general cultural/social expectation that they should be accompanied when in public at certain times of day. If we separate these two issues we are able to then decide whether IN A PARTICULAR CASE men should be invited/allowed. If the march is meant to be a demonstration about sexual violence and women's fear to walk the streets (in the genre of pro-choice or anti-war demonstrations) then men would probably be welcome participants (both as survivors themselves or as supporters of the cause). However, if the purpose is to make a more general point about the cultural expectation that women ought to be accompanied in public places (particularly after dark) and that they are perceived to be 'available' or 'asking for it' if they are not, then there are very good reasons for the march to be women only (and men can indeed give support in other ways which may be more appropriate). It seems to me that "take back the night" is a more suitable title for the second type of action. Perhaps women wanting to organize marches of the first type might want to think of more suitable titles which indicated the purpose more clearly (particularly if you are not limiting the focus of your action to rape/sexual violence in public places and want to raise awareness about sexual violence in all its multiple forms). Just to avoid misunderstandings: I don't not want to imply that one or the other of the purposes outlined is a better way of fighting sexual violence. Both have their uses. The events we organize will, presumably, be more effective if we are clear about what they are designed to acheive. Jo VanEvery Keele University soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk from Sept. 1: Dept. of Cultural Studies, University of Birmingham (no e-mail yet) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:39:26 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Suzanne F. Franks" Subject: Re: looking for information On the subject of African American women and the issue of silence, I would highly recommend Audre Lorde's essay, "The Transformation of Silence Into Language and Action" which can be found in her collection of essays entitled "Sister Outsider". Sorry I don't have specific publisher information with me as I write this, but it is a book that should be easily found in any good bookstore. I don't remember if it specifically addresses issues of women in the academy but I think the points she makes are completely relevant to what you are looking for. I encountered this essay as a graduate student and found in it a lot of support and encouragement for being myself, speaking up, and stopping a lot of the self-censoring we all learn how to do in order to be good little academics. Suzanne Franks sfranks@galois.fccc.edu >Can any one point in the direction on material related to African American wome >n in the "Academy" or material on women and the issue of silence? Any directio >n you can give will be much appreciated. Angela Mrs . Angela Humphrey Brown 236 Frederick Drive Athens, Georgia 30607 7065483346 abrown@uga.cc.uga.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:44:27 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Charlie Blank Subject: Re: Hiroshima Day, Mururoa Protest In-Reply-To: <199508060132.VAA08847@holmes.umd.edu> I am constantly amazed by the almost mandatory linkage between strong protests and blind, hateful anti-Americanism. Let us take the letter below with its opening assertion that "Many acknowledge the murderous wartime actions of the US military upon the Japanese..." The note also goes on to observe that what Hiroshima in part signifies is "the invisiblity of women and children's lives in military and political governance." Well.. 1. I sure thought that Japanese bombing of Manchuria and later other Chinese, Korean and Asian targets was considered by the victims "murderous wartime actions by the Japanese." 2. The forced prostitution inflicted by the Japanese on over a million Korean, Chinese, Phillipino and other Asian women reflect suggests that the Japanese engaged in anti-female and anti- family activities which the barbarous Americans and in fact the other warring powers never thought of. 3. The barbarity of Japanese prison camps is legendary and should be, given their belief in the justice of humuiliating, torturing and breaking your enemy. 4.The extgermination of 11,000,000 women, children and men in the Nazi cocentration camps says a good deal about German barbarism and military violence. But one does not see worldwide vigils, solemn processions and activist outrage. But perhaps if only Jewish and Gypsy families were the targets the then pervasive invisibility of women and children is less important than when American military action is taken against more important women and children. Hiroshima and Ngagasaki symbolize horror in its most naked form; so does Dresden; so does does Warsaw and Coventry and Moscow and the bombing of refugees in almost every European nation during World War II. What the Croats did to the Serbs in the early forties the Serbs gave back squared to the Bosnians in the early nineties, only to find the Croats now returning these generous actions. Modern war is awful, its weapons ghastly, it total nature absolutely intentional. Kill as many as possible, clog up the roads, cripple the workforce and strive to destabilize the governments with whom you fight. Every country did this in World War II, so why isolate the Americans? Ask those rescued from Axis barbarism which violence they preferred. But this idiotic belief that you cannot make social progress unless you denigrate and attack anything and everything American, no matter how you distort history, is intellectually dishonest; it only serves to bind the "us' who ritualistically repeat it from the "them" who are too stupid, sexist, capitalist, racist and reactionary to admit it. I know this autonomic anti-everything or anything American attitude will not stop. But it does make one wonder why you find the best developed, best articulated and freest protest and Women's Movements in the world in the U.S. Charlie Blank On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Lynne Alice wrote: > In Aotearoa (New Zealand) today is Hiroshima Day. Many acknowledge the > murderous wartime actions of the US military upon the Japanese, with (peaceful) > demonstrations. The destruction of life in Hiroshima and Nagasaki > signifies (among many things) the invisibility of women's and children's > lives in military and political governance. This is another opportunity for > feminists to protest.........The following site may be a useful place for > reflection : > > Hiroshima Links.Web Links to Hiroshima . The A-Bomb Dome, > once the Hiroshima Prefecture Industrial Promotion Hall, has been > preserved as a reminder of the atomic bombing. > http://www.peak.org/~danneng/hiroshima_links.html (4K) > > The City of Hiroshima > The Program of Hiroshima Peace Memorial Ceremony . Peace Declaration to be > presented on August 6, 1995 . http://www.city.hiroshima.jp/ (1K) > > Today also, three of the eighteen boats in the peace flotilla to Mururoa > leave from Auckland. The following sites are available on the Internet > (using Netscape or Mosaic, with Soundscape) for further information > http://www.world.net/yoursay/pr_net.html > > Mururoa va Vivre! We want to put this song onto the lips of antinuclear > activists everywhere. Full song (2MB 8bit mono) > http://mat.sapp.auckland.ac.nz/biggie/vivre.html (1K) > > Cyber-Vote Anti-Nuclear Petition > Anti-Nuclear Weapons Petition . Also see Who's Doing What for an update > of the growing movement against the French Testing in the Pacific. > This petition is > addressed to the French. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~midac/ (20K) > > The French Nuclear Fallout > The Nuclear Fallout . On Tuesday, June 13, 1995 France announced it > would resume nuclear weapons testing at Mururoa Atoll in the South > Pacific. http://www.vicnet.net.au/~theage/french.htm (2K) > > Debats de Chab > Le debat : a couteaux tires . Le president francais a decide de > relancer une "derniere" vague d'essais nucleaires a Mururoa. Cette > decision ne semble pas pour l'instant soulever une grande contestation > en France. . Que vous soyez francais ... > http://gplc.u-bourgogne.fr:8080/Debat/Welcome.html (<1K) > > Mururoa . . FERMIAMO I TEST NUCLEARI FRANCESI! . ORA! . > Fermiamo i test nucleari! . Il 13 giugno scorso a poco piudi un mese > dall'insediamento, il nuovo Presidente francese Chirac ha annunciato di > voler riprendere i test nucleari in Polinesia nell'ambito di un > programma di sperimentazione di ... > http://www.videomusic.com/ambiente/greenpeace/chirac.htm (5K) > > Have Your Say : Email Protest on the Internet > > Send Email to Le Monde (France's Leading Newspaper) > Lemonde@vtcom.fr > > Send Email to President Jaques Chirac (English Version) > http://mosaique.oleane.com/cgi-bin/mailcandgb?elysee/fratxt/journal/forums+J > acques+Chirac > > French Embassy Web Site in Washington D.C.,USA > http://www.town.hall.org/travel/france/embassy/ > > > _________ > > > Women's Studies, Massey University, Private Bag 11-222 Palmerston North, > Aotearoa (New Zealand). Tel. (06) 350.4938 or 350.4417 Fax (06) 350.5627. > URL:http://cc-server9.massey.ac.nz/%7Ewwwms/ > > > > > > - ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 > > > > > ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:05:11 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: shelley park Subject: adoption Thanks to all who have responded to my inquiry re: adoption. This is not to pre-empt discussion, but to provide a (very) brief biblio as compiled from your suggestions and my research, thus far: Elizabeth Bartholet, _Family Bonds: Adoption and the Politics of Parenting_ Houghton Mifflin: 1993 (a feminist legal theorist who provides a critique of medicalization of infertility with call for reform of adoption barriers) Anne Else, _A Question of Adoption: Closed Stranger Adoption in New Zealand, 1944-74_. Wellington, NZ: Bridget Williams Books (1991 or 2). Modell, Judith S. _Kinship with Strangers: Adoption and Interpretations of Kinship in American Culture_. Berkeley, CA: Univ of California Press, 1994 (Modell is an anthropologist and adoptive mother, as title suggests she focusses on adoption's potential to reconfigure interpretations of kinship) Barbara Katz Roffman. _Recreating Motherhood: Ideology and Technology in a Patriarchal Society_. W. W. Norton and Co. (yr??) (Has chapter on adoption which argues that if we could understand adoption we could better understand motherhood) Patricia Williams, _The Alchemy of Race and Rights_ (I think, or it might be another "new book" of Williams--post was ambiguous; anyhow contains a chapter discussing racial dynamics of adoption decision from first-person, African American adoptive mother's point of view) Other names also mentioned by posters, but with no works cited, include: Martha Minnor (feminist legal theorist), Michelle Fine and Adrienne Asche (writings from the standpoint of women with disabilities) and Barbara Melosh (English/American Studies at George Washington University) who has a work-in- progree on the history of adoption. Other sources I've used (admittedly "non-academic", but still helpful, insightful) include adoption newsletters such as _Ours_ and _Adopted Child_. I'm astonished and appalled that there is so little feminist/womanist work on adoption out there. As several posters have pointed out, and as I've been trying to think through for myself, adoption is a very complex issue and its status as a liberatory or oppressive practice may depend largely on the perspective from which one approaches it. As beatrice recently noted, and my early research focusses on, for example, while adoption may seem to increase women's reproductive choices _from the perspective of (typically, white, middle-class) adoptive mothers (like myself)_, it may seem far from emancipatory _from the perspective of (so-called) "relinquishing mothers" (often women of color and/or poor women). More generally, like abortion, sterilization, birth control, and surrogate motherhood, adoption can't be adequately analyzed without attention to the specific ways in which race, class and gender--as well as (several posters have noted) age, sexual preference, marital status, religious belief and mental and physical health--are ideologically and materially implicated in its praxis. In light of feminist attention to both reproductive technologies and child welfare, I am truly surprised that we have not yet developed such analyses. In light of this, however, I've been thinking that an anthology format would be a good way to begin a womanist/feminist dialogue on this issue and have begun writing up a draft proposal together with a social worker colleague (I am a philosopher). Could those who'd be interested in composing something for such an anthology please respond privately with name and area of interest, so I can guage amount and type of interest and keep names on file so that when a formal call for papers is drafted, I can be sure everyone interested received one? Thanks, in advance, Shelley ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:58:28 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Reply PRIVATELY Any responses to the recent post by Charlie Blank in response to Lynne Alice's earlier post about the Hiroshima memorial should be sent PRIVATELY and NOT to the WMST-L, whose scope it clearly exceeds. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Linda Lopez McAlister Acting listowner ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:47:40 -0400 Reply-To: Kathy Burdette Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Burdette Subject: Re: feminist/adoption In-Reply-To: <199508060248.WAA32049@holmes.umd.edu> Martha Rosler's video (produced by Paper Tiger Television) "Born to Be Sold, Martha Rosler Reads the Strange Case of Baby M" is a feminist critique of surrogacy and adoption. If I remember correctly, she sees surrogacy and adoption as practices wherby the reproductive capacities of working-class women are exploited in order to perpetuate the middle class. Also, the anthology _Writing Away Here: A Korean American Anthology_, edited by Hyun Yi Kang, published by the Korean American Arts Festival Committee, contains several pieces from written from the point of view of Korean adoptees raised by white parents. Mi Ok Song Bruining's pieces touch upon the issue of non-Western birthmothers being convinced to give up their children with the promise that American or European parents will be able to better provide for them. Also see _Great Girl_, directed by Kim Su Theiler, distributed by Women Make Movies, and _Do Roo_, directed by Soon Mi Yoo, traveling with Asian Cinevision's 1995 film festival, for accounts of transracial adoption from the point of view of adoptees. Kathy Burdette burdette@info.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:04:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elaine Orr Subject: looking for information On the subject of African-American women in the academy and silence, see also _Unsettling Relations: The University as a Site of Feminist Struggles_ (ed. Himani Bannerji, et al., South End Press, 1992) and _Listening to Silences_ (ed. Hedges and Fishkin, Oxford, 1994). Both collections have essays on/by African-American women. The second book theorizes "silences," beginning with Tillie Olsen. Elaine Orr (elaine@unity.ncsu.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:23:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Sarah M. Pritchard" Subject: Update to info about UN Women's Conference WWW pages This is an update to a message I sent to some lists last week. In addition to the official home page sponsored by the U.N. as background/documentation for the Fourth World Conference on Women, there is a very good page with a *lot* of links to other relevant pages (including many international, and a link back to the UN itself), that is being maintained by an organization called the International Institute for Sustainable Development. The URL is: http://www.iisd.ca/linkages/4wcw/ If you leave off the last section of the URL, you get the main page for this organization, which is a very interesting clearinghouse of sources and links for an array of environment and development issues. I hope we will hear some reports from folks who attend! Thanks, Sarah Pritchard Smith College Libraries spritchard@smith.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:30:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "E. Dean Detrich" Subject: 1-800 to Congress: Paid for by Exxon (fwd) I hope this does not go beyond the bounds of this list, but it is valuable information, requiring neither reply nor reproach. Detrich ============================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:10:26 -0700 [from] Mike Cole Subject: 1-800 to Congress: Paid for by Exxon (fwd) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:34:44 -0600 (MDT) [from] kevin john geiger Subject: Voice displeasure to Congress at Exxon's expense Hello all, . . . I thought it is important and there could be considerable interest on this list. Exxon Corporation has set up/paid for a 1-800 line to contact US Senators. It is under the auspice of a group that wants to refine the environmental laws and the regulatory tendency of US environmental policy. The thing to remember is that EXXon is paying. Anyway, a small group in Boulder has been trying to get this number out to the other side, if Exxon is providing we shall take. They pay the bill but the caller is simply connected to the office of a US Senator. 1) Dail 1-800-444-1555 2) They will give you a short recorded message. 3) Follow instructions if you have a touch tone phone, public ones work best and they have other advantages. :> 4) Enter a zip code...they ask for yours but it doesn't have to be...it can be any in the US. 5) Make a choice of the elected politician's office you want to be connected to. 6) When the staff person answers you are set to discuss the proposed environmental reform regulations, OR ANY OTHER ISSUE YOU WANT! Couple of tricks...we found they limit the number of calls to 3 from each number. Solution: public phones are everywhere...enjoy Exxon's corporate attempt to influence "grassroots democracy". Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:04:15 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Manlowe Subject: women and their bodies 8/7/95 Jamie wrote: My talented sister's first novel is coming out in October, it's called The Passion of Alice (by Stephanie Grant, HOughton Mifflin) and it moves through four women's experience in an eating disorder rehab. The book is getting raves in pre-publication review, and as someone who has struggled with an eating disorder as well as healing from sexual abuse, this book addresse s many of these issues in a non-polemical, deep way. I hope you can use it in your work. Best regards, Jaime Jennifer responded. For a book that deals with the issues above, please see my book (that just came out) called "Faith Born of Seduction: Sexual Trauma, Body Image, and Religion." This book deals with the social and religious contexts that sustain and encourage eating disorders in women and how faith, body problems and sexual abuse can intersect. It can be ordered from NYU Press by calling 1-800/996-NYUP. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:02:45 GMT+800 Reply-To: g.thomas@cowan.edu.au Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gail thomas Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: Hiroshima Day, Mururoa Protest On Aug 7, Charlie Blank wrote: 1. > I know this autonomic anti-everything or anything American attitude >will not stop. This was then followed by: 2.> But it does make one wonder why you find the best developed, >best articulated and freest protest and Women's Movements in the world in >the U.S. Perhaps if there were less comments like (2), there would be less comments like (1). Unless Charlie is a woman who has participated in the women's movement in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Germany, etc. I would question his qualifications to make that comment. Gail Thomas - a well developed, articulate and free Australian who's doing her share for the women's movement! Graduate Research Assistant Edith Cowan University tel:(09) 273 8143 fax: (09) 273 8119 email: g.thomas@cowan.edu.au