WMST-L LOG9408D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:18:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Heather Munro Prescott, Department of History" Subject: Fresh from "Today's" Headlines Hi folks, I just saw a "Today" show interview with the editor of "Marie Claire" magazine regarding a survey they did in which the majority of women surveyed said they weren't feminist, thought feminism was out of touch with the mainstream, etc. Does anyone have a copy of this magazine? Is it new? I have never heard of it. How reliable is the survey, in your humble opinions? Thanks for any help on this matter. Heather Munro Prescott Central Connecticut State University prescott@csusys.ctstateu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:30:30 LCL Reply-To: RGINZBERG@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: "I'm Not A Feminist!" >regarding a survey they did in which the majority of women surveyed >said they weren't feminist, thought feminism was out of touch with the >mainstream, etc. I don't know about this survey, but my students have been saying this for years. BUT then, it turns out that the "feminism" which they adamantly deny is something which doesn't exist anyway ("I'm not one of those crazy bra-burning, man-hating blah blah blah FemiNazis..."), yet their beliefs about women, equality, justice, sexual assault, etc., turn out to be very much what many feminists have been advocating for years. I think the "feminism" which they deny is a straw version of it, created mostly by its detractors. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:24:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Sommers' statistics I thought I'd call attention to the fact that this week's _Time_ magazine (the issue dated August 22) contains two letters that address Christina Hoff Sommers' use of statistics. Naomi Wolf writes that she [Wolf] corrected the bad statistic concerning anorexia deaths in subsequent editions of her book and in public lectures, and that she did this more than a year ago. She adds, "But Sommers' use of a mortality figure of 100 anorexia deaths a year is indefensible, since most such deaths are recorded as heart failure, renal failure, or suicide." Following Wolf's letter is one from Harold Goldstein and Harry E. Gwirtsman, respectively Clinical Director and Scientific Director of the Eating Disorders Progam, National Institute of Mental Health. They say that "anorexia primarily affects an estimated 210,000 young women" a year, and if we use a research-based mortality rate of 10%, even spread over 20 years that averages out to more than 1,000 deaths a year. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 07:25:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karla Walters Subject: Re: What is a feminist? Like Ruth Ginzberg, I, too, have found that although my students claim not to be feminists, they do believe in sexual equality and many of the ideas that feminists espouse. I do not think their distaste for being called feminist stems only from the way the detractors of feminism have pictured feminism. Many of these students are very conservative politically and do not believe the marxists and socialist ideologies many feminists espouse. These students are less willing to invoke government interventionism than students were 20 years ago, and they prize individualism more than social policies. Karla Walters Univ. of New Mexico kwalters@bootes.unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:56:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bonnie Braendlin Subject: Re: Florida Statewide W.S. Conference In message Sun, 21 Aug 1994 02:18:45 +0200, Dirk Puis writes: > >>I just want to add that the unnamed conference Ken Winkler posted about >> yesterday is the, I think, 5th annual Florida Statewide Women's Studies >> Conference. It's overall title this year is "Gendered Spaces" and in >> > ... > > Hi, > > Do you have some more information on this conference in Florida. I would > like to attend it, but I would at least need a list of speakers and some > subjects to convince the people of my university to get me a ticket to the > states (as a poor student I can't afford that myself). I would really > appreciate any help. > > Thanks, > Dirk Puis > Free University of Brussels, Belgium. > e-mail: dpuis@vnet3.vub.ac.be > For specific information on the Southeast REgional Women's Studies Conference in Tallahassee Oct. 13 - 16, write to Professor Jean Bryant, History and Women's Studies, Florida State University, Tallahassee, Fl 32306. ------------------------- Bonnie Breandlin Florida State English Dep't. 904-644-4230; bbraendl@english.fsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:27:23 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheshire Calhoun Subject: criteria for psychology of gender course Regretfully, I am reposting my message, since I omitted my complete e-mail address the first time. I am sorry to inconvenience people. As director of women's studies, I am working with the psychology department to establish a psychology of gender course that will also count toward the women's studies minor/major. Before conducting a job search, we need specific information about what features (other than being 50% on women and avoiding gender biased methodologies) would make a psychology of gender course acceptable or unacceptable as a women's studies course. In particular, we would like: (1) course descriptions of Psychology of Gender courses currently being taught in psychology departments and cross listed with women's studies. (2) a list of "must" texts (if there are any) (3) criteria for counting psychology courses as women's studies courses (our current WS criteria are not designed for the sciences and do not provide adequate guidance) please reply privately to cheshire calhoun (c_calhou@colby.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:00:46 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Rejecting feminism >Many of these students are very conservative politically and do not >believe the marxists and socialist ideologies many feminists espouse. Right. But the point that they are missing is that "feminism" is quite multifaceted. There are conservative and individualist feminisms too. Socialist feminism and Marxist feminism *are* widely theorized versions of feminism, but by *NO* means do they constitute the whole of it. Heck, there are lots of things that various feminists have written, espoused, advocated, etc. with which I disagree. But I consider that to be a source of *vitality* within feminism -- that people with widely differing perspectives remain in conversation with one another, create and respond to challenges and criticisms, etc., but done with respect, and with recognition that we *do* have some common grounds on which to meet. It is the failure of feminist detractors to see THIS side of feminism that leads, I think, to misconceptions about it being a doctrine or a religion, or totalizing, or dictatorial, etc., etc. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:47:09 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STEPHANIE JONES Subject: Grad school search Hi! I've been lurking on the list for several months and thought i would introduce myself and ask for input on my grad school search. Vitals: Stephanie (Stevie) Jones, 23-year old African-American woman originally from south suburbs of Chicago. B.A. in Rhetoric (1993), currently working as tech editor in Minnesota. Interests range from reading and writing (mostly on women's issues and communication styles), various sports and commenting on the sociological differences between my home state and this "cold" one I live in now. I'm planning to start grad school in fall of 1995 in speech communication. I've already applied to University of Illinois with a focus on feminist communication studies. I specifically want to explore the speech patterns of black women. I'm willing to relocate just about anywhere. What I'm really looking for is a strong women's studies department to support my studies, a solid community for black students, and a diverse student population. Larger schools would probably suit my personality better as I dabble in a little of everything extracurricularly (I did my undergrad work at U of IL and found the size fit me well). Thank you for your help in my search for the ultimate academic experience-- or something like that :) Please respond privately to STEPHANIE_JONES@NSDGATE3.NSD.FMC.COM --stevie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 18:06:59 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: Not A Feminist... Ruth Ginzburg seems to me to be right. I don't hear it from my students, but they've told me people - mainly men - say '_you_ can't be a feminist!' and clearly mean they are surprised. (Though it is I take it a compliment too... .) In fact my sister-in-law was surprised to hear I was a feminist; the next time we met she asked me about 'those bra-burning parties you used to have'. Is there a way of defeating this? That is: I gave her hand on heart plus chapter and verse on bra-burning, she _may_ have believed me: she is some kind of feminist herself but, would not say so. Marie Claire is - you lucky people - a French magazine also published in a UK version, which calls itself post- feminist as in, right, you're equal, now for the 15 shades of make-up. (In case I have offended anyone - I have been known to wear make-up... .) There is a Marie Claire problem. It publishes - did, anyway - good pieces on e.g. women in Africa. So there was a reason to buy it. Though I haven't for some while. I'll get a copy and have a look if the mood takes me. The meanwhile, there have been other such surveys. Alas. _________________________________________________________ Judy Evans | jae2@unix.york.ac.uk University of York | Department of Politics | York YO1 5DD | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:32:57 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Watson Subject: women's celebrations Can someone, please, give me information regarding research or publication on baby and bridal showers? Barbara Watson, San Diego State bwatson@sciences.sdsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:32:47 -0600 Reply-To: Diane Price Herndl Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Price Herndl Subject: Revising _Feminisms_ In-Reply-To: <9309111800.AA05851@umd5.umd.edu> I would like to ask the list a favor. Robyn Warhol and I are in the process of doing a second edition of our anthology, _Feminisms: An Anthology of Literary Theory and Criticism_. We have received some very useful reviews of the book (one particularly perceptive one by list-member Marilyn Edelstein, by the way), but we'd like to hear from people who have used the book. We would like to ask list members who have taught courses and used this book, or who have taken courses in which our book was used, to let us know which essays or sections of the book they found most useful and which they found least useful. We want to make the new edition better, not to get rid of the things people liked best! We are most interested in suggestions of essays that have appeared really recently, since the first edition went to press, from about 1990 on. Of course, if there are older essays that you were surprised not to see in the first edition, we'd be interested in hearing about them, too. I should also add that we are creating a second edition, not a different book, so the scope of the anthology will remain the same--it is a collection of essays in feminist LITERARY theory and criticism, not feminist theory generally. Please respond PRIVATELY to me at dpherndl@nmsu.edu. If there is interest, I will compile the list of suggestions and post it to the list (it should, after all, make a pretty good bibliography of very recent feminist literary essays). And, if you could respond this week (Aug. 22-28), I'd be most grateful, as Robyn will be here in New Mexico to work on the book. (Of course, later responses will also be gratefully accepted!). Thanks for your ongoing help, Diane Price Herndl NMSU English Dept. dpherndl@nmsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 13:23:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: barbie Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism I am quite interested in the topic of what constitutes feminism, because many of my students are quite surprised to learn that I consider myself a feminist, as if there were a certain feminist 'look'. But, one thing that I think is very damaging to feminism is that Gloria Steinem often is seen in the press as carrying the one and only banner of feminism. This, I feel is both inaccurate and dangerous because what I consider feminsim is not mindless following of her doctrine, which is what it is often portrayed as in the media. For example, a few months ago I saw a piece on Camille Paglia on Sixty Minutes. The reporter brought Ms. Paglia to a meeting where both Naomi Wolf and Gloria Steinem were speaking. Instead of welcoming the challenge of debate, BOTH Wolf and Steinem refused to acknowledge Paglia (or her point of view) and had security throw her out. In a second example, when Christina Hoff Sommers was interviewed by Connie Chung recently (2-3 weeks ago) it was mentioned at the end of the piece that Gloria Steinem was asked to be interviewed for the show also, but refused. Not only did she refuse to be on the show to present a counter-point to CHS, but she wrote a letter to the network trying to keep CBS from broadcasting the interview with CHS at all. This angers me because it make it look as if feminists are mindlessly running, scared of any difficult questions or close scrutiny. If CHS points out that SOME feminists, while doing some research have made mistakes, we should see this as a sign that we need to be careful researchers, not on the lookout for the evil powers-that-be that may be funding CHS's work. At the same time, if CHS has herself done sloppy scholarship, she should be hammered for it. -barb- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Barbara W. Mc Grath BMCGRATH@SUED.SYR.EDU Cultural Foundations of Education (315) 443-4269 Syracuse University %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 14:53:25 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 22 Aug 1994 13:23:44 EST from from barb's description, it seems that 60 minutes and connie chung tried set-up s. they had two speakers, tried to bring in someone to disrupt, change the agenda, take over. that's exploiting a situation to give someone's platform to somebody else. it's not a debate. if there's to be a debate, it should be planned and ground rules planned. it may be that Steinem, was it, tried to block someone from publicity on tv. but let's be careful of info and sources. we know about planted rumors of the 60s and 70s. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny. edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 15:30:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Freddy Sommers Subject: Re: Sommers' statistics Joan Korneman cites Time magazine artilce from last week--but this weeeks issue contains a correction. The officials from NIMH did not mean to say that anorexia strikes 200,000 young women between ages 15 and 20 per year. Ap- parently that was a typo--What they said is that i"affects an estimated 210,000 young women between 15 and 29. Based on a 10% fatalty assumption--they estimate 1,000 deats per year. But Dr. Charles Murkofsy, Director of the Program for Eating Disorders in New York City, says that no one has used a 10% mortality figure in years. 5% is now the accepted figure.deaths. xxxxxxx. According to Dr. William Anderson (Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard) the correct figure is closer to 100. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 14:34:03 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KIRVEN@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU Subject: job search I am posting the following message for a friend who does not have a subscription to the list. Please direct any replys to the following: michv@vax1.mankato.msus.edu I am a candidate for a Master of Science in Women's Studies and am seeking employment as of September, 1994. My goal is to become a consultant regarding the celebration of cultural diversity in college and business environments. At this point my area of focus has been sexual harassment both in my course of study as well as employment. I have done extensive research which has covered:federal and Minnesota state laws regarding sexual harassment, sexual harassment in educational institutions, business environments, and street sexual harassment; and sexual harassment prevention programs. I have also presented Mankato State University's sexual harassment prevention program. Currently I am analyzing the Minnesota State University System's sexual harassment prevention program which is used here at MSU. I plan to utilize all of my research and experience in the development of my own sexual harassment prevention program for college campuses. I am currently searching for a postion that would utilize these skills and give me an opportunity to learn more about other aspects within cultural diversity. If you can offer any assistance with my search please contact me at michv@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Michelle Valliere ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 21:32:12 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: Re: Sommers' statistics In-Reply-To: <"leeman.yor.669:22.07.94.19.25.15"@york.ac.uk> Hello, Prof. Sommers. Are you the Sommers of Sommers and Sommers, _Vice and Virtue_? On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Freddy Sommers wrote: > Joan Korneman cites Time magazine artilce from last week--but this weeeks > issue contains a correction. The officials from NIMH did not mean to say that > anorexia strikes 200,000 young women between ages 15 and 20 per year. Ap- > parently that was a typo--What they said is that i"affects an estimated 210,000 > young women between 15 and 29. Based on a 10% fatalty assumption--they estimate > 1,000 deats per year. But Dr. Charles Murkofsy, Director of the Program for > Eating > Disorders in New York City, says that no one has used a 10% mortality figure > in years. 5% is now the accepted figure.deaths. > > > xxxxxxx. According to Dr. William > Anderson (Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard) the correct figure is closer to 100. > _________________________________________________________ Judy Evans | jae2@unix.york.ac.uk University of York | Department of Politics | York YO1 5DD | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:57:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Laura.Thomas" Subject: Req: J. of European WS In-Reply-To: The letter of Sunday, 21 August 1994 4:55pm EDT European Journal of Women's Studies: Margit van der Steen Heidelberglaan 23584 CS Utrecht, The Netherlands or Jane Makoff makoff@sageltd.co.uk Hope this helps! Laura sscllt@uwoadmin.uwo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:24:42 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism In-Reply-To: <199408221901.PAA18939@holmes.umd.edu> Hello--- I have been listening to the conversation on this list for about a week and cannot tell if this request is appropriate to this list. Please bear with me. I am not a feminist in the least. However I have been doing research in ontology for many years and have been in the process of writing a book called THE FRAGMENTATION OF BEING AND THE PATH BEYOND THE VOID. In that book I discovered some aspects of western ontology that have import for womens studies within the western tradition. I am now looking for people who are interested in women's studies to look at my work and see how it plays in relation to that discipline. My work, in part, builds on the work of Anne Carson (Eros: The Bittersweet), Page duBois (Sowing the Body), and Eva Kules (Reign of the Phallus) among other classicists. What I am looking for is someone who is interested in philosophy, especially western ontology who is familiar with womens studies to review my work and comment on it. The book is very long (about 1000 pages) and the part about women and ontology is toward the end. It really started as a diversion that turned into a major thesis about the role of women as signifiers within the metaphysical system of the west. If anyone has the requsite background in women's studies and philsosphy and might be interested in something completely different then please contact me at palmer@netcom.com. Another point is that I and some others have a whole series of philosophy lists hosted at majordomo@world.std.com. To see the lists that are available send the message "lists" to that address. To see how to join a list send the message "help". Among these lists is an irigaray list, a kristeva list and also a gender list. We would be willing to sponsor other lists on women and philosohy that would be of general interest. Please let me know if that would be of interest to anyone. Thanks, Kent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. editor Thinknet philosophy newsletter Software Engineering Technologist administrator Thinknet philosophy lists Philosopher at large without portfolio system operator Thinknet BBS 714-638-0876 palmer@world.std.com or @netcom.com autopoietic social systems theorist On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Beatrice Kachuck wrote: > from barb's description, it seems that 60 minutes and connie chung tried set-up > s. they had two speakers, tried to bring in someone to disrupt, change the > agenda, take over. that's exploiting a situation to give someone's platform to > somebody else. it's not a debate. if there's to be a debate, it should be > planned and ground rules planned. it may be that Steinem, was it, tried to > block someone from publicity on tv. but let's be careful of info and sources. > we know about planted rumors of the 60s and 70s. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny. > edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:49:31 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Morton Subject: Gender differences in writing In-Reply-To: <199408172008.QAA14029@holmes.umd.edu> from "Marilyn Edelstein" at Aug 17, 94 01:08:03 pm A fellow grad student is working on a project to assess the applicability of Gilligan's thesis of different moral voices in men and women in a particular moral dilemma: what to do if someone you think is drunk is about to drive. Specifically, he takes collected accounts by men and women about how they dealt with the issue of someone they know about to drive under the influence. Then he takes these accounts and asks large classes of undergraduates if they can "identify the voice" in the account as male or female. His findings are they can, (factoring in the likelihood they could "guess" by chance). His analysis centers around the concept of "voice" and how people can "hear" the voice of women or men but since these are written accounts, it seems he might find some interesting things in the literature around gender differences in writing or expression. Can anyone suggest some possible sources? Thanks Christine Morton UCLA Sociology Dept. 405 Hilgard Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90024-1551 internet: morton@math.ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 19:07:06 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Arpad Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. In-Reply-To: <199408222325.TAA22727@holmes.umd.edu> from "Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D." at Aug 22, 94 04:24:42 pm To Kent Palmer, Ph.D. If you are not a feminist, why are you sending a message to this list, asking list members to do work for you? Susan Arpad ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 21:30:16 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Auanger Subject: question: marxist feminism? Please excuse the apparent basicness of this question. Although I have seen and heard the term `marxist feminism' or `marxist feminis t' used, I have never been satisfied with explanations of its meaning. How wou ld or do list members define these? How closely connected are marxist feminist s with the fundamental texts of Marxism? Thanks, Lisa Auanger c513024@mizzou1.missouri.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 23:11:45 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. While not wanting to "flame," I was troubled by Susan Arpad's response to Kent Palmer (I think I got the names right; my computer doesn't let me look back to the post I'm responding to). And my sense of being troubled is related to teh discussion we've been having about Sommers book. 1) I don't think there is any requirement that one be a feminist to participate in this list or to post to it. 2) I didn't think the jist of the post was to ask us to do his work. I think he was genuinely asking for a feminist response to it. While I might not fancy reading anyone's 1000 page book, I think it is exactly as feminists that we have a responsibility to respond seriously to serious queries about feminism. The distinction I might draw between Palmer's request for feedback on his book on ontology and the "stuff" we were talking about in relationship to critics like Paglia and Sommers is that the former strikes me as a serious query for enlightenment, while the latter is simply baiting. I resent being asked constantly to begin at the beginning to justify my existence in academia. I don't resent being asked about how feminism might be related to more traditional disciplinary approaches. We must take these kinds of queries very seriously. It's late and perhaps I haven't expressed myself as clearly as I ought to,but I wanted to weigh in. Laurie Finke finkel@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 22:52:45 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "D. Atkins" Subject: Rejecting feminism & Palmer's post Although I understand Laurie Finke's argument, I agree with Susan Arpad that I felt his post was rude. I was very angry with the way he felt it necessary to stipulate that he was not a feminist. I don't think it was important to his request for information. This is the message I sent to Palmer: On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. wrote: > I am not a feminist in the least. This statement is tantamount to saying, "I don't respect women's rights at all." Feminism is the struggle for social, political and economic equal rights. To say that you are not a "feminist in the least" is to say that you do not feel women should have any rights. That is bad enough, you then expect a woman scholar to want to work with you. "Hey gals, I don't respect you but come work on this project with me." It isn't very intelligent or polite. Dawn Atkins datkins@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people" (Can't remember the author of the quote, but I can get it if you care.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 16:07:48 +1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynne Alice Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. >Laurie Finke wrote : >While not wanting to "flame," I was troubled by Susan Arpad's response to Kent >Palmer......... I resent being asked constantly to begin at the beginning to >justify my existence in academia. I don't resent being asked about how >feminism might be related to more traditional disciplinary approaches. We >must take these kinds of queries very >seriously. Laurie I agree with this sentiment but I'm aware of Women's Studies students who spend large chunks of their undergraduate degree courses coming to terms with this very issues ie doing the hard work themselves (and of course with the benefit of their class discussions) to work through the relation of feminism to more traditional disciplinary approachs. I felt slightly amazed that Kent should think he wouldn't get a negative response to his request when he IS asking for help to do something that takes many of us a great deal of time, many academic risks and lots of nerve to achieve. I wouldn't want to be precious about this (no way etc) but maybe Kent's request would have less of an edge for some if he could suggest what a reader would get from the task. And I don't mean the 'pleasure' of his text exactly! While it sure sounds interesting stuff, research time is so scarce, I'd bow out in favour of achieving 1000 of my own pages any day. Maybe however, I or others, might say yes to the acknowledged reading of extended synopses that concisely present his arguments. What I'm saying is that feminism in academia has high costs for many (women) like not enough time for research or activism and these factor needs to be taken into account when requests like Kent's are made....Good luck Kent. Lynne ............................................................ Dr. Lynne Alice, The Director of Women's Studies, Massey University, Private Bag 11-222 Palmerston North, New Zealand. Tel. 906) 350.4417 or 350.4425 Fax (06) 350.5627. Email L.C.Alice@massey.ac.nz ............................................................... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 18:04:37 +1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Prue Hyman Subject: request help with refs I hate doing this to people: it's the first time and I've exhausted other avenues! Two things I've heard of/seen ref to but lost and badly want to find. 1) an article by Barbara Grier of Naiad press discussing her experience in founding/running the press (lesbian fiction/nonfiction) - it was in a book with variety of articles. 2) an article (in a journal?) by Ruthann Robson critiquing Richard Posner's work: probably especially his Sex and Reason. Would be very grateful for these refs - personal reply to email please Prue Hyman Prue Hyman, Economics Victoria University of Wellington PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand PH: (0064) 4 4955026 (or 4721000 ext 5026) FAX: (0064) 4 4712200 e-mail address: Prue.Hyman@vuw.ac.nz (or HymanP@Matai.vuw.ac.nz) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 02:49:30 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: "Yurugu" Does anyone know of a good review of the 1994 book "Yurugu: An African-Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior" by Marimba Ani, a.k.a. Dona Richards? I just ran across it, and am considering adding it to the syllabus for my "Alternatives to Western Ethical Theory" course this fall, but am hesitant due to its length (631 pp). Any pointers to reviews/critiques/etc would be welcome. Thanks In Advance. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 15:44:26 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg Subject: Moving to Boston In-Reply-To: <340E58ECA0004094@brfapg.bitnet> Dear fellow WMST'listers: I have just found out that the Brazilian Ministry of Education has granted me a fellowship to go back to Boston University to finish and present my PH.D Dissertation in Anthropology. I am planning to go in mid-December/94 (after my kids are out of school), and will need to find a place to live in the whereabouts of Boston, probably until mid-July/95. Does anybody know of places that may be available, or have any suggestions as to how I may go about in finding them ? I would rather not stay in Boston itself because of the difficulty in finding decent housing at affordable prices there (my grant is not that great!, not for my two kids and myself). I would consider a small town up to one hour's drive to Boston (it could even be in R.Island, N. Hampshire, Southern Mass, etc..). I am also willing to trade places with somebody that may be coming down to Salvador, Bahia. I live in a rather nice apartment (3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, etc.), in a good neighborhood (close to the University), and will leave the place totally equipped including household helpers... If you know of anybody who is willing to go for this 'trade', or have any suggestions, please do contact me in private. Thanks for your attention. Cecilia Sardenberg NEIM/UFBA Salvador, Bahia, Brazil cecisard@sunrnp.ufba.br ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 00:54:19 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DENISE M DALAIMO Subject: Re: Marxist Feminism On August 22, Lisa Auanger wrote: >Please excuse the apparent basicness of this question. >Although I have seen and heard the term `marxist feminism' or `marxist >feminist' used, I have never been satisfied with explanations of its meaning. > How would or do list members define these? How closely connected are >marxist feminists with the fundamental texts of Marxism? This is my first time as a contributer instead of a lurker. Please forgive any unintended indiscretions. I thought I might offer my thoughts on Lisa's question. Hope it's not too lengthy. I'll try to be brief and relay to you what I interpret Marxist Feminism to be. As for the connection to Marx and his writings, the main connection I have seen is to Friedrich Engels' (Marx's collaborator and friend, AND one of the "fathers of Marxism") *The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State* (1845). This book addressed what many "Marxists" had not, (they were more interested in workers' oppression, not women's oppression). It showed how changes in the material conditions of people affect the organization of their family relations. Engels argued that monogamous marriage is a social institution that has nothing to do with love and everything to do with private property ($). He wrote that if women are to be truly emancipated from men, they must be economically independent. Contemporary Marxists Feminists, as I have seen it, don't usually deal directly with reproductive or sexual concerns, i.e. contraception, sterilization, abortion, pornography, prostitution, sexual harassment, rape, and woman battering, like, say a radical feminist might. They seem to be more focused on things like the concerns of working women. They help us to understand how the institution of family is related to capitalism; how women's domestic work is trivialized and not considered "real work"; and basically how women are given the most unfulfilling, boring, and/or low-paying jobs. These are all offered as partial explanations for gender oppression. Please forgive the brief, necessarily partial, and definitely personal and subjective perception of Marxist Feminism. If you're really interested in a discussion of Marxist, as well as Liberal, Radical, Socialist, Psychoanalytic, Existentialist and Postmodern Feminism, take a look at Rosemarie Tong's *Feminist Thought: A Comprehensive Introduction* (1989 Boulder: Westview Press). It's a few years old now, but in my humble opinion, the best of it's kind. Best, Denise ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denise M. Dalaimo Office Phone: (702) 895-3322 Univ of Nevada LV E-mail Address: Dept of Sociology neese@pioneer.nevada.edu 4505 Maryland Pkwy Las Vegas, NV 89154-5033 Jean Nidetch Women's Center (702) 895-0605 "Forget the night, my sisters, take back your minds" -Elena Featherston ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:09:27 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JoAnne Myers Subject: Re[2]: Rejecting feminism In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 22 AUG 1994 14:53:25 EDT I was at the forum that 60 Minutes tried to interject Paglia into-- It was held at the 92nd St Y. and had a specific agenda--60 Minutes was disruptive, disrespectful and devious in tyring to force Paglia onto/into the panel discussion. There were other feminists in the audience--Kate Millett for instance--who were not part of the panel, but had come to hear Gloria, Naomi, Susan et al... The incident should be put into context. Ciao, JAM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:49:20 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl Sattler Subject: women's views of "feminism" I recently completed my Ph.D. in education working with feminist teachers. While they were all willing to point out feminist aspects of their work, and each actively worked for women's rights by marching, protesting, and incorporating women's literature--the high school teachers involved in my work vehemently protested that they should not be called feminists. I found similar sentiments in a 1992 book by Paula Kamen: _Feminist Fatale_, and also in Naomi Wolf's _Fire With Fire_. They suggested that a new term was needed, one that does not have the bra-burning, antisocial (etc) connotations to it. My view is that any term that we/or/others would think up to apply to the work we are doing would be similarly denigrated as part of the inherent power struggle that frames our work. Are there other views? The work I have done with these teachers (HS and university) is currently under consideration for publication as a book, titled "Talking About A Revolution: The Power and Practice of Feminist Teaching." As a new PhD, I am looking for a job in education, preferably educational foundations and/or policy studies. I am willing to relocate virtually anywhere, and I'd really appreciate any leads you have to offer. Please respond privately re: jobs, publicly re: renaming feminism. Cheryl Sattler, Ph.D. Florida State University FAX (904) 644-0643 PHONE (904) 644-1142 internet: sattler@bio.fsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:57:09 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Coleman Subject: marxist feminism For a sampling of marxist feminist texts, you might take a look at either the 1st, 2nd, or latest edition of the textbook Feminist Frameworks (McGrawHill pub.). The argument there, I think, is that for marxist feminists the intersection of class and gender is the primary starting point for critical/political action and analysis. -- Linda S. Coleman Eastern Illinois University cflsc@eiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:03:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" In-Reply-To: <199408231303.JAA29427@holmes.umd.edu> Cheryl Sattler's point is well taken. See Dale Spender, MAN MADE LANGUAGE, 1980, for the process by which words coined to empower women get pejorated, used against us with time, to disempower both women and the cause they set out to define. On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, Cheryl Sattler wrote: > I recently completed my Ph.D. in education working with feminist teachers. > While they were all willing to point out feminist aspects of their work, > and each actively worked for women's rights by marching, protesting, and > incorporating women's literature--the high school teachers involved in my > work vehemently protested that they should not be called feminists. I > found similar sentiments in a 1992 book by Paula Kamen: _Feminist Fatale_, > and also in Naomi Wolf's _Fire With Fire_. They suggested that a new term > was needed, one that does not have the bra-burning, antisocial (etc) > connotations to it. My view is that any term that we/or/others would think > up to apply to the work we are doing would be similarly denigrated as part > of the inherent power struggle that frames our work. Are there other > views? > > The work I have done with these teachers (HS and university) is currently > under consideration for publication as a book, titled "Talking About A > Revolution: The Power and Practice of Feminist Teaching." As a new PhD, I > am looking for a job in education, preferably educational foundations > and/or policy studies. I am willing to relocate virtually anywhere, and > I'd really appreciate any leads you have to offer. Please respond > privately re: jobs, publicly re: renaming feminism. > > Cheryl Sattler, Ph.D. > Florida State University > > FAX (904) 644-0643 PHONE (904) 644-1142 > internet: sattler@bio.fsu.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:33:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Karin A. Mack" Subject: Ordering Still Killing Does anyone have information on how to order the video Still Killing Us Softly? Please reply privately: kmack@ra.msstate.edu Thanks, Karin Mack Mississippi State University Department of Sociology ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:55:21 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STEPHANIE JONES Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" Cheryl, I agree that a different term would carry with it the same connotations and only serve to confuse people of the "difference" (if any would exist. Excuse the analogy, but the changing of Prince's name to "Symbolman" carried the same "what's up with this guy" baggage and added some with it. Changing the name would not alter the attitudes/perceptions of these women; that must be left to experience, learning, and growth. You can't please all of the people all of the time....etc. -stevie STEPHANIE_JONES@NSDGATE3.NSD.FMC.COM ------------------------------------- They suggested that a new term was needed, one that does not have the bra-burning, antisocial (etc) connotations to it. My view is that any term that we/or/others would think up to apply to the work we are doing would be similarly denigrated as part of the inherent power struggle that frames our work. Are there other views? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 10:19:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nicola Pitchford Subject: response re: silencing of Paglia Barbie mentioned seeing a 60 Minutes piece in which Gloria Steinem refused to respond to Camille Paglia during a public forum and had her ejected. For a rebuttal to the way 60 Minutes presented this episode, see Naomi Wolf's _Fire with Fire_ (I don't have the page number, I'm afraid). I belive Paglia herself was not present at this occasion, so could not have been ejected. As Wolf tells it, the 60 Minutes crew disrupted a feminist forum on other issues; Steinem later offered to allow them to stay and film if they did not disrupt the agenda; but 60 Minutes only aired the inflammatory moments. I hope I've got that right. No doubt visible feminists do need to be careful of how their words and actions can be manipulated, but this doesn't sound like a case of Paglia being denied a fair hearing. --Nicola Pitchford (nicolap@macc.wisc.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:35:05 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jay Prosser Subject: Call for Papers In Queer, In Theory, In Deed: the 6th North American Lesbian and Gay Studies Conference. Call for papers for panel entitled: Lesbian Readings in the Eighteenth Century: Problems and Possibilities. Papers on plots or the possibilities of rereading C18th texts as a lesbian. Nov 17-20, 1994. University of Iowa, Iowa City. Call Sally O'Driscoll (201 798 5385) for details. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:46:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism & Palmer's post It might be worth considering (at least I want to give people the benefit of the doubt) that individuals, especially individuals who are men, might preface a post to a group of feminists with the phrase "I am not in the least a feminist" and mean something entirely different from I don't respect you. Often I have male students who use this phrase to mean something like "I'm not an activist, I haven't gone out and actually done anything, but I am somewhat sympathetic to what you have to say." I have actually had students tell me that they are not feminists because they are not activists. That is, they think that no matter what they believe, you don't actually have the right to call yourself a feminist unless you are actively involved in promoting women's rights. It's not a position I agree with, but I have learned to see where they are coming from. Laurie Finke finkel@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 10:40:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kelly Burns Subject: Re: Fresh from "Today's" Headlines Heather Prescott wrote: I just saw a "Today" show interview with the editor of "Marie Claire" magazine regarding a survey they did in which the majority of women surveyed said they weren't feminist, thought feminism was out of touch with the mainstream, etc. Does anyone have a copy of this magazine? Is it new? I have never heard of it. How reliable is the survey, in your humble opinions? I saw this interview and was a little astonished that neither the interviewer nor the interviewee thought it worth mentioning WHO this audience was that feels feminism is no longer a top concern of women. I intend to look up this survey simply to find out. Obviously, this is a "flame" article designed to grab a little pseudo-political attention for yet another fluffy glam mag. Kelly Burns Indiana University South Bend KBurns@Vines.IUSB.Indiana.Edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:00:05 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" The process Cheryl describes, in which a term like feminism or any term we might choose to replace it, becomes pejorative is, in linguistics usually referred to as semantic derogation. In this process any term which might replace "feminism" would itself become equally pejorative (in deconstruction this is known as the sliding signifier). We need only look at the list of terms for something like, say, cemetery to see the inevitability of the process: graveyard, cemetery, mortuary, and, my favorite, necropolis. Or closer to home the list of terms that have over the years been adopted to talk about race, the sliding from Negro, to black, to Afro-American, to African-American. The answer to this problem will not come from a name change. Instead we might ask, with Rebecca West, why a request for something so basic as respect for women results in such a vicious counter-attack. I always give my students the following quotation from Rebecca West: "I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." Cheers all Laurie Finke finkel@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:57:50 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jay Prosser Subject: Eighteenth Century List? Does anyone know of an eighteenth century literature list on internet? Please respond privately Jay Prosser ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:11:08 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. In-Reply-To: <199408230213.WAA06672@cap.gwu.edu> I am shocked at S. Arpad's response. For starters, this list is not called a PRIVATE LIST FOR FEMINISTS ONLY ( & there has just transpired a series of messages on what that means anyway). It is a list for those of us who do or care about women's studies. I think Palmer's request is not for list members to do work "for" him, but to critique a work of his from a women's studies/feminist theory/feminist philosophy perspective. I wish more men would ask people (esp. women) who've been tilling these fields for many years to respond to/critique their work -- especially those who tend to present as an entirely new discovery/insight (their's of course) work that has been done previously by women writing in a field the men have not bothered to read. I will admit I am daunted by a 1000 page work, but at least Palmer was forthcoming about the length and where the women's studies portion fits. I think it would be more constructive to ask Palmer why he so adamantly proclaims his non-feminism (which also makes me wonder what his text says!). Anyway, I am troubled by the tone of some of the recent discussions on this list and wanted to censure what seems censorship. Patrice McDermott patricem@cap.gwu.edu On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Susan Arpad wrote: > To Kent Palmer, Ph.D. > If you are not a feminist, why are you sending a message to this > list, asking list members to do work for you? Susan Arpad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:32:37 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "linda l. anderson" Organization: Yale University Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:49:20 -0400 from i think homophobia and the fear that calling oneself a feminist equals saying you're a lesbian needs to be taken into account in these discussions. linda l. anderson yale university lla@yalevm.cis.yale.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:42:20 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Eighteenth Century List? Recently, Jay Prosser asked: > Does anyone know of an eighteenth century literature list on internet? I know of two, both of which may be of interest to other WMST-L readers. One, AUSTEN-L, deals with Jane Austen and her contemporaries. To subscribe, send the message SUB AUSTEN-L Your Name to LISTSERV@VM1.MCGILL.CA (or, on Bitnet, LISTSERV@MCGILL1). The other is C18-L, an interdisciplinary 18th-century list that includes among its participants a number of literary scholars. Though this isn't my field and I don't subscribe, I've heard several people speak very highly of C18-L, and the little peak I took (via Usenet--more in a minute) impressed me enormously: it's one of the most literate, civilized lists I've seen. To subscribe, send the message SUB C18-L Your Name to LISTSERV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (or LISTSERV@PSUVM on Bitnet). C18-L also is available as a Usenet newsgroup (so you don't have to have additional messages clogging your mail files); look for bit.listserv.c18-l . If you don't know how to access Usenet, ask the computer support people on your system. Please don't write to WMST-L or me. Though C18-L isn't included in the file OTHER LISTS, AUSTEN-L is, as are MANY other lists that focus on women or on gender issues. To get that file, send the message GET OTHER LISTS to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:32:59 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. I think it is an interesting exercise to ask oneself how this request would have sounded if it were sent to a Physics research, teaching and program administration list, and if it started out, "I am by no means a scientist...but I think there are some ways in which Physics is important to my ideas..." and then asked if any physicists on the list were willing to read a 1000 page manuscript. I suspect that many of the physicists on the list would have merely deleted the request without responding. Perhaps a handful might have chastised the writer for thinking that a group of professional physicists would be interested in proofreading a manuscript that long for someone who hadn't even studied the subject. And perhaps one or 2 would have written the guy and said,"Look, I haven't got time to read a 1000 page manuscript. (Who does?) But if you have any short, specific questions I might be able to answer, or if you have a small, i.e., 10 pp's or less, segment that is really important on which you'd like my critique, please contact me privately." But I doubt that it would have generated extended discussion on how members of the [hypothetical, Physics] list ought to respond to the guy. Just a thought. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:46:08 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: Re: Fresh from "Today's" Headlines In-Reply-To: <"leeman.yor.817:23.07.94.15.37.35"@york.ac.uk> On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, Kelly Burns wrote: > I saw this interview and was a little astonished that neither the interviewer > nor the interviewee thought it worth mentioning WHO this audience was that > feels feminism is no longer a top concern of women. I intend to look up this > survey simply to find out. Obviously, this is a "flame" article designed to > grab a little pseudo-political attention for yet another fluffy glam mag. > I had a look at the Sept issue today. It is a _bit_ difficult reading it in a newsagents! However I couldn't see a survey there. So I guess it must have been the August edition. Or maybe there is a US edition after all. (I would think, a survey of their readers... .) _________________________________________________________ Judy Evans | jae2@unix.york.ac.uk University of York | Department of Politics | York YO1 5DD | ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 10:36:24 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Pia Fish Subject: cites to women being underrepresented I have a question that I'm hoping you might be able to help me with, even thought it's not necessarily in the academic arena. We are trying to find references, especially in the popular press, about how women have been underrepresented in medical research. We have done the medical end of searching, but I thought this group might know of some general but substantive references that address this. Also, since a very recent trend seems to be backlash to this idea (males saying, The women are pulling a fast one again, guys), those cites would be useful too. For example, the August issue of The Atlantic had such an article. We don't know the women's studies literature, but hopefully someone out there can give use some good tips. Thanks for your time. Pia Fish / Assistant Head of Library Services Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center / Seattle pfish@cclink.fhcrc.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:03:32 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosie Subject: Re: cites to women being underrepresented In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Aug 1994 10:36:24 PST from You might want to get in touch with Professor Regina Morantz-Sanchez of the UCLA History Dept. (Bunche Hall, UCLA, 405 Hilgard, Los Angeles, CA 90024). Her area of expertise is women in the medical profession. (I know she is moving to the University of Michigan, but I think she may still be at UCLA this year.) Rosa Maria Pegueros PEGUEROS@URIACC.URI.EDU Dept. of History University of Rhode Island ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:27:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sue Morrow Subject: AWP Call for Proposals The Association for Women in Psychology will hold its annual conference in Indianapolis, IN, March 2-5, 1995. The theme will be "Creating the Tapestries of Women's Lives." Proposals for preconference sessions, workshops, symposia, discussions, papers, poster sessions, and media presentations are due October 1, 1994. To receive a Call for Proposals, write: AWP 1995 Conference c/o Department of Counseling School of Education, Rm. 1507 Indiana State University Terre Haute, IN 47809 Submitted by: =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Sue Morrow, Ph.D. Internet: MORROW@GSE.UTAH.EDU Dept. of Educational Psychology 327 Milton Bennion Hall University of Utah Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 581-3400 FAX: (801) 581-5566 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:00:27 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. In-Reply-To: <199408231646.MAA03637@holmes.umd.edu> from "Ruth Ginzberg" at Aug 23, 94 12:32:59 pm Responding to Ruth's analogy about "professonal physicists," in what sense are subscribers to this list "professional feminists"? Is the analogy really of any validity? -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:49:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret Lloyd Subject: Re: Ordering Still Killing In message Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:33:11 -0500, "Karin A. Mack" writes: > Does anyone have information on how to order the video Still Killing Us > Softly? Please reply privately: kmack@ra.msstate.edu > > > Thanks, Karin Mack > Mississippi State University > Department of Sociology > Hi, Karin-- I could probably unearth this info for you, but I don't have it at hand. If you don't get it from someone else, let me know. Marky Lloyd Margaret A. Lloyd Department of Psychology Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460-8041 e-mail: mlloyd@gasou.edu telephone: (912) 681-5423 FAX: 912-681-0751 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:08:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: sharon harris Subject: 18th c. internet The Society of Early Americanists (which covers beginnings through about 1830) has an active exchange. To join EARAM-L, send the following e-mail message: SUBSCRIBE EARAM-L Your Full Name via BITNET to : LISTSERV@KENTVM or via INTERNET to: LISTSERV@KENTVM.KENT.EDU Anyone interested in membership in the Society of Early Americanists (not required for activity on EARAM-L) should contact me privately with your mailing address and I will be glad to send you information about the organization. Sharon M. Harris Executive Coordinator, SEA Dept. of English Univ. of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0333 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:16:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Theresa Kaminski Subject: feminism About Sommers, Paglia, and Steinem and feminism. These are women that the **media** has defined as important feminists, and it shows how limited the media are in their knowledge of feminism. Why is Steinem considered to be the only acceptable response to Paglia or Sommers? So what if she refuses to debate them. The media should have been able to ask someone else. I can hardly believe that there are no reputable feminist scholars willing to publicly debate Paglia or Sommers. What all of this shows, I think, is the media's intense interest in defining feminism. I do look at this issue historically--the media have been acting this way since the days of Stanton and Anthony, at least. Theresa ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:23:35 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: "Professionals" >Responding to Ruth's analogy about "professonal physicists," in what >sense are subscribers to this list "professional feminists"? Is the >analogy really of any validity? This is supposed to be a list for professional women's studies educators. The analogy I made was of somebody saying "I am not a scientist" on a physics list, as compared to somebody saying "I am not a feminist" on a women's studies list. I never claimed, via analogy or otherwise, that we are "professional feminists," though I'm not a bit abashed about claiming that we are professionals. We get paid for teaching women's studies, we are supposed to be experts in it in order to teach it; we have standards and responsibilities by virtue of our claims to expertise in the area; I say that makes us "professionals" in the field of academic women's studies. Exactly the reason I raised the analogy is because I think people expect things from women's studies professors that they would never expect from (e.g.) physics professors, exactly because it is another instance of "women's work" somehow unconsciously not being counted as "real work." ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:40:55 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: Re: Kent Palmer,Ph.D. In-Reply-To: <199408231902.PAA06154@holmes.umd.edu> Responding to Daphne and Ruth: I think the analogy works perfectly. Kent Palmer was asking for an expert reading of a specific topic in his book, something all writers and researchers must rely on for accuracy checks. I just finished writing a novel in which the protagonist is a singer. I had to rely on "expert" reading by a jazz singer/musician to check for accuracy. I could hardly become a singer or learn to read music or go out and work in jazz clubs in New York. My own comparison is further away than Ruth's in terms of professional consultation, but no writer, man or woman, is an island. How can anyone be insulted by a request to consult? Miriam Harris mharris@utdallas.edu On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, DAPHNE PATAI wrote: > Responding to Ruth's analogy about "professonal physicists," in what > sense are subscribers to this list "professional feminists"? Is the > analogy really of any validity? > -- > ====================== > Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:56:41 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Weeks Subject: Re: Who Stole Feminism (again)? I HAVE THE ARTICLE "THE IMPACT OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL GAMES UPON VIOLENT ASSUALTS ON WOMEN" RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, AND SOMMERS CONTENTION THAT JANET KATZ, ONE OF THE AUTHORS, SAID THAT" THE STUDY DID NOT FIND AN INCREASE IN ADMISSIONS TO EMER ROOMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OCCURANCE OF FOOTBALL GAMES" IS TRUE, BUT ONLY HALF THE STORY. THEY FOUND THAT THE FREQ OF ADMISSIONS FOR WOMEN WAS ASSOCIATED WITH WINS FOR THE REDSKINS (THE TEAM STUDIED), AND THE ASSUALTS FOR MALES ROSE WHEN THE TEAM LOST. THEY STATE" WINNING ENCOURAGES VIOLENCE AND THE SUBCULTURAL VALUES CAN DIRECT THAT VIOLENCE TOWARD WOMEN" SOMMERS APPARENTLY DOES NOT PRACTICE WHAT SHE PREACHES, BUT ALLOWS HALF-TRUTHS WHEN THEY SUIT HER PURPOSES............ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:59:59 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeanette Heinrichs Subject: mail-order brides Does anyone have any good recommendations for books or articles on mail-order b rides, particularly Filipino? Jeanette Heinrichs (jheinrk@ukcc.uky.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 16:06:20 +0059 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ali Grant Subject: "women's views of feminism" There's something a bit disturbing about some of the thoughts expressed in the thread on women's views of feminism. If the desire is to somehow persuade women's studies students and non-feminist women (and men?) that feminists are OKAY really, what does OKAY actually mean? Does it mean that feminists are non-threatening; that they really do wear bras and shave their legs; that they have equal and fulfilling relationships with men; that they are not really fighting for big social change but just a little bit of equality? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against non-threatening, bra-wearing, smooth-legged, actively heterosexual, moderate feminists. The point is (and this is hardly a new argument!) that we should consciously resist any attempt, by anyone, to set up some false standard of The Acceptable Feminist, by which we are all judged. Especially in a time of backlash it's important remember that there's an incredible variety of feminists out there - threatening, hairy-legged, bra-less, boat-rocking, feminist dykes need to be the face of feminism as much as any other one! Just a thought.... Ali Grant g8926622@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:01:21 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism (completely) In-Reply-To: I thought this was a private message but now I see that it has been sent to the entire list. Let me get this straight? Do you attack all men, or just men who do not accept the ideology of feminism, or just men who show an efeminite weakness by asking fellow scholars for help? I guess if having an opinion that is not politically correct for the narrow confines of this list is rude then I will have to admit to being rude. I am not interested in feminist ideology. I accept Page duBois's critique of it and hope it is replaced by something useful soon. But regardless of my lack of interest in the idelolgy of feminism I am interested in the study of women and the study of men as they are projected as images within our tradition and as they struggle against those traditional images. I thought it might be of interest so some that my study of ontology has turned up some results relevant to the study of women (and men) and those images. I guess not. Never mind. I will try later when women's studies is no longer synonomous with the nihilistic ideology of feminism. If some of you folks spent some time with philosophy you might learn how to avoid those pitfalls sooner. Then you would not have to have stupid discussions as to whether you should change the name so as not to be associated with popular images of this ideology. How about the study of human kindness? The kindness of women in relation to men and the kindness of men in relation to women. From that perspective all the degenerate forms of relations between men and women might be placed in the correct perspective. I am talking about nihilistic degenerate relations between ideologies like patriarchalism and its dual feminism and the myriad other degenerate forms of human relations we see around us in this society. Does anyone know of any lists to which the name "women's studies" is a correct appelation. I take it this list is primarily about resume writing and maintining politically correct attitudes among the members through critique of everyone else's brand of the feminist ideology. Kent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. editor Thinknet philosophy newsletter Software Engineering Technologist administrator Thinknet philosophy lists Philosopher at large without portfolio system operator Thinknet BBS 714-638-0876 palmer@world.std.com or @netcom.com autopoietic social systems theorist On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. wrote: > I do not accept your analysis of my statement. I consider feminism a > distorted ideology that attempts do counterbalance past inequalities but > merely produces the nihilistic opposite of patriarchical. As such it > is really no different from the patriarchialism it is immitating by > inversion of its features. When I say I am > not a feminist I mean that I do not believe in this counterbalancing > ideology. There is an old saying that two wrongs do not make a right. > Patriarchicalism is wrong but feminism is itelf wrong in the way it > attempts to address past wrongs. If we look back at Old English we see > that Mann means "human being." Patriarchalism took Mann to mean only men > and disenfranchised women. Feminism as far as I can see seeks to make > women into men by making what is inherently difference somehow > artificially "equal." Refering to Heidegger`s IDENTITY AND DIFFERNCE we > can say that men and women are not identical but are the Same, together > they constitute Mann, and thus they belong together. Feminism does not > seek to explore the belonging together but instead attempts to introduce > a separation. Women`s studies should take as its object the differences > between men and women that make them complementary and should be balanced > by men's studies that do the same for men. But there is no "men's studies" > and there is no recognition of complementarity as far as I can see. > Studying women in isloation is just as wrong as the exclusion of > patriarchialism that assumes everyone is a man and efaces the > existence of women turning them into the erased Other. Both men an women > should participate int men's studies and women's studies togehter. This > is unlikely to occur as long as men who do not profess to be feminists > are attacked as soon as they enter the arena of women's studies. Do you > only want to hear from peole who already agree with you? This is a sign > that feminism is an ideology. The fate of all idelogies are to vanish > after they have been clearly recognized to have caused much suffering for no > real reason -- i.e. because they create artificial distinctions between > human beings which are used as a basis of mutual destructive behavior > between groups holding different ideologies. I do not subscribe to this > narrow one dimensional view of existence that is created by ideologies > such as feminism. > > Kent > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. editor Thinknet philosophy newsletter > Software Engineering Technologist administrator Thinknet philosophy lists > Philosopher at large without portfolio system operator Thinknet BBS 714-638-0876 > palmer@world.std.com or @netcom.com autopoietic social systems theorist > > On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, D. Atkins wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. wrote: > > > > > I am not a feminist in the least. > > > > This statement is tantamount to saying, "I don't respect women's rights > > at all." Feminism is the struggle for social, political and economic > > equal rights. To say that you are not a "feminist in the least" is to > > say that you do not feel women should have any rights. That is bad > > enough, you then expect a woman scholar to want to work with you. "Hey > > gals, I don't respect you but come work on this project with me." It > > isn't very intelligent or polite. > > > > Dawn Atkins > > datkins@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu > > > > "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people" > > > > (Can't remember the author of the quote, but I can get it if you care.) > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:16:17 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON WOME From: SHERIDAN HARVEY Subject: INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON WOME A colleague has asked me to find the dates, location, and address for the next "International Congress on Women." He does not mean the UN Beijing conference or NWSA's annual meetings. He thinks there have been 5 or 6 of these meetings and that previous locations include Dublin and New York City. I have checked the obvious directories without much luck. Does this information fit with the International Feminist Book Fair? Was the Aug. 1994 conference in Melbourne on "International Feminisms" one of a regular series of conferences? I'd appreciate any information you could give me. Please reply privately to: harvey2@mail.loc.gov Thank you. Sheridan Harvey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:40:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Do NOT respond to Kent Palmer on WMST-L Kent Palmer (palmer@netcom.com) has signed off WMST-L. Though some people may be tempted to respond to his recent heated message, PLEASE DO NOT DO SO ON WMST-L. He won't see your message. Let's move on to other matters. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:17:52 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Benay Blend Subject: Re: marxist feminism Carolyn Merchant also offers a good definition of Marxist feminism in _Death of Nature_, as well as in several of her other works. Benay Blend blend@alpha.nsula.edy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 18:43:17 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah B Stevens Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism (completely) In-Reply-To: <199408232103.RAA08272@holmes.umd.edu> from "Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D." at Aug 23, 94 02:01:21 pm The man is angry & I believe he has a point. At the risk of being 'hammered', whatever happened to an open exchange of ideas? Are we, or are we not, as academics, all in the 'communication' business? In the course of writing my dissertation, I've been researching the origins of the dichotomous nature of gender roles. I suggest you all read, R. Eisler (1987). "The chalice & the blade: Our history, our future." Anthropologist, Eisler has a concept w wh I agree...instead of talking in terms of female v male, feminine v masculine, sensitivity v aggression, etc., why not use her terms? That is that there are & have been Partnership models of human social organization that are not hierarchical & in wh the genders are different & equal, & there are & have been Dominator models that are hierarchical, e.g., one group is in power/the other is subservient, someone wins/someone loses. Eisler proposes that neither model is inherently "feminine or masculine, etc." I like it!!! How about it, 'Partners?' ...Deborah Blair Stevens (stevensd@dolphin.upenn.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 20:53:06 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: Re: "Professionals" In-Reply-To: <199408231925.PAA06653@holmes.umd.edu> from "Ruth Ginzberg" at Aug 23, 94 03:23:35 pm I am not at all sure "we" are "professionals" in women's studies. Consider, for example, the frequency of messages on this very list that say in essence: "I've just been asked to teach a course on women and X. Can anybody suggest any readings?" We've at times discussed, on the list, the appropriateness of these messages that suggest no prior work at all has been done by the writer. Quite apart from that issue, it certainly does raise doubts about the expertise, experience, and professional preparation of a lot that gets done under the rubric "women's studies." -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 21:49:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: "Professionals" Though I usually agree with Daphne Patai, I must take issue with her most recent message, in which she questions whether "we" are "professionals" in women's studies because we find ourselves asked to teach courses for which we've had no formal training. I would certainly describe myself as a "professional in women's studies." I have a Ph.D. in literature, many years of teaching experience, as well as experience in directing a women's studies program and in teaching "Women in Literature." However, I've never taught (or taken) an "Introduction to Women's Studies." I know a good deal about women's studies, and I think I'm quite well qualified to teach such a course. But were I asked to do so, I would turn immediately turn to WMST-L for suggestions about readings, assignments, etc. Academic training shouldn't prepare one only to teach what one has studied in graduate school. Many academics, whether or not they're in women's studies, frequently develop new courses and pursue new areas of research. That's part of the joy of academic life. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc P.S. One more thing. Daphne writes: "We've at times discussed, on the list, the appropriateness of these messages that suggest no prior work at all has been done by the writer." My recollection is that those discussions have mostly been prompted by requests from undergraduates or occasionally graduate students for help with papers and projects. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 22:54:13 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "D. Atkins" Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism (completely) On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, Kent D. Palmer, Ph.D. wrote: > .... I consider feminism a > distorted ideology that attempts do counterbalance past inequalities but > merely produces the nihilistic opposite of patriarchical. As such it > is really no different from the patriarchialism it is immitating by > inversion of its features.... Just reminds me of an old quote: "When men imagine a female uprising they imagine a world in which women rule men as men have ruled women: their guilt, which is the guilt of every ruling class, will allow them to see no middle ground." Sally Kempton "Cutting Loose," _Esquire_ 1970 While I genuinely welcome a sharing of this work with men, I am still glad Palmer has chosen to leave the discussion. Dawn datkins@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 01:10:56 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nijole Benokraitis Subject: Re: "Professionals" Daphne Patai wrote recently... >I am not at all sure "we" are "professionals" in women's studies. >Consider, for example, the frequency of messages on this very list >that say inessence: "I've just been asked to teach a course on women >and X. Can anybody suggest any readings?" [snip, snip] It seems to me that 1) One of the purposes of this list is to encourage new faculty to teach Women's Studies courses. And, if the subscribers are new and give an SOS, some of us might respond; 2) Joan Korenman often reminds/tells newcomers that there are rich resources at WMST-L for a variety of courses. This gives new faculty a great source of readings/syllabi even if subscribers don't respond; 3) One of the biggest problems, it seems to me, is that women in higher education are often not "professionalized" into academia (compared to their male counterparts). So, WMST-L is one avenue for young/new women graduate students/faculty to get involved, request information, seek help, and see what some of the "old farts" (and speaking only for myself) are discussing. I don't know anything about Daphne's background (though I surmise she's an intelligent and energetic woman). But if I had had a WMST-L when I was in graduate school or a new faculty member, I would have experienced a lot less garbage and grief because I would have gotten some good advice from experienced women. niki Benokraitis ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 06:56:21 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Freeman Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:49:20 -0400 from Let usnot forget that "feminism" has been a term of derogation for most of its eightyyear history (it emerged about 1910). There was a brief period at the be ginning of each of the last two waves of female protest (1910-1914 and 1968-72 roughly) when the term was viewed positively, but after the press and public realized what a radical setof ideas it represented, it became a term of opprobr ium. IIt's still a radical set of ideas. Even though the radical feminism of eightyyears ago is the conservative (e.g. liberal) feminism of today. Changing the name won't change the fact that the ideas scare people. Also don't forget, at one point in time surveys showed that HALF of all respondents answered positively when asked their opinion of feminism. After the right-wing assault, this was reduced to one-third. From the messages on this list it sou nds like today's college students show a lower positive response than the gener al public. Since feminism has traditionally varied positively with level of education, what does this say about collge education today? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 10:00:08 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: W: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Iana Pattatucci Subject: Not hiring your own people I was intrigued by the short exchange that took place regarding the policy of many colleges and universities not to hire their own people. In some extreme cases, this apparently extends to not hiring people from *ANY* institution in the general region of your college/university. In biology departments they refer to this as avoiding "Academic In-breeding", borrowing from the concept that marriage (or at least mating) among close family members creates children of low intelligence and other similar problems. Correct me if I am wrong, but this seems to be analogous to many of the so- called "blue laws" that many municipalities still have on their books but are so out-moded that they are never really enforced. In other words, it seems like a carry-over from earlier times and may not be necessarily applicable today. For example, one person wrote a pretty standard response to the question why this policy is practiced. She cited that people in academics need to have diverse experiences, etc. I do not argue with this point. However, 50-100 years ago it may have been necessary to actually change one's residence several times to attain the desired diversity. Today it is not. For example, I have two children (ages 11 and 14) who have *already* visited about half of the 48 contiguous states in the U.S.; they are from Puerto Rico and have visited every major Carribean Island except Cuba, and have been to several Central American countries. Moreover, it is possible through internet, the print media, and the audio/visual media to either participate in, or listen to debates on a host of different topics. It seems to me that in our present society, it just isn't necessary that one change their residence several times to attain diverse exposure to culture, views and experiences. Finally, does anyone know if research has been done to support the view that hiring one's own people, or from one's own area, results in a bad situation for the institution? Iana Pattatucci "Luciana%bchem.dnet@dxi.nih.gov" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:20:24 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "S. Hamson" Subject: Re: "Professionals" In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 24 Aug 1994 01:10:56 EDT Niki Benokraitis is right on the money! I am a silent WMST-L lurker and I have learned volumes from reading this list! I am a graduate student and for that reason keep my silence-- preferring instead to work out my own research bugs and, given the scope of this particular list, to look for other options if I need help. I appreciate the various levels of discussion on the list and hope and am quite secure in the knowledge that they will continue in force. I know there are many "silent" students out there thanking their luck stars to have you all on WMST-L. After all, one is not automatically dubbed a "professional," it's something that you have to earn *and* learn. WMST-L has certainly been (and will continue to be) just one facet of the professional learning process for me. Thank you all. ------------------------ Susan Hamson shamson@clam.rutgers.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 10:58:25 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kelly Burns Subject: recent feminism survey On Tuesday, Aug 23, Judy Evans wrote regarding a survey published in Marie Claire and touted on a morning talk show which finds women no longer consider the goals of feminism "their goals": > I had a look at the Sept issue today. It is a _bit_ difficult reading >it in a newsagents! However I couldn't see a survey there. > >So I guess it must have been the August edition. Or maybe there >is a US edition after all. > >(I would think, a survey of their readers... .) This survey appeared in the Aug/Sept issue of the American version of Marie Claire which is also its FIRST issue. The poll is clearly biased, asking readers whether they prefer to be in the "victim vanguard" (joining "gender feminists" and their despicable kind) or a "power feminist". The mag then defines these positions by quoting out of context just about everybody who has ever *written* a feminist critique. Katie Roilphe, Paglia and Sommers are to be found under "power feminists" while Catharine Mackinnon, Susan Faludi, and (I believe) Steinem are labeled leaders of the "victim vanguard". It's very clear what side readers are supposed to be on (that of Sommers et al). Clearly, the poll is meant to be inflammatory. The magazine even gives a FAX number for "responses". What's most interesting to me is that this article does not once state WHO was polled or HOW; only that it's a "Marie Claire Gallup Poll of 1000 American women". Since the publication is owned by the conservative Hearst conglomerate and since Hearst also owns Good Housekeeping and Cosmopolitan (which is probably Hearst's biggest circulation at over 2 million), I would venture a guess that this impartial poll was actually a write-in survey conducted through the pages of Cosmopolitan. Somehow, I don't believe 1,000 Cosmo readers typifies the values and attitudes of "American women" in general as the magazine clearly states. Now who's playing with statistics? And I wonder how many times this poll will be quoted by "power feminists" in the future as though it represents some "new feminist majority". My bet is A LOT. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 13:36:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl Sattler Subject: Homophobia In response to Linda Anderson: Yes, you are absolutely correct. Many women--in my work and in the work of Kamen and Wolf--do not identify as feminist because they see it as synonymous with lesbian. In fact, I titled a section "Do you mean feminist as in lesbian, or feminist as in male-basher?" tongue in cheek, naturally. I find that as a straight feminist, actively participating in many local communities including the very active gay & lesbian community here that people are often surprised to see my male partner (also a feminist) because they have assumed that I am also gay. I continue to work to make it "okay" to not only be openly gay (and feminist!), but to be confused as being gay, without the pejorative connotations lesbians/gays have been labeled with. However, in a town such as this one, despite the activism we do, many people are closeted because they fear for their jobs...in such a situation I have all kinds of empathy for women who, while ( I think) not necessarily homophobic, are afraid to be "tarred with the same brush." In the case of teachers, this is especially a problem given the public nature of their work and the expectations that surround them. An excellent work on this is called "Lesbian Teachers" by ____ Didi Khayatt, an Egyptian woman and--I believe--a lesbian teacher. Cheryl Cheryl Sattler, Ph.D. Florida State University FAX (904) 644-0643 PHONE (904) 644-1142 internet: sattler@bio.fsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:03:36 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rebecca Hill Subject: Re: question: marxist feminism? On Mon, 22 Aug 1994 21:30:16 CDT, Lisa Auanger wrote: >Please excuse the apparent basicness of this question. >Although I have seen and heard the term `marxist feminism' or `marxist feminis >t' used, I have never been satisfied with explanations of its meaning. How wou >ld or do list members define these? How closely connected are marxist feminist >s with the fundamental texts of Marxism? >Thanks, Lisa Auanger c513024@mizzou1.missouri.edu It all depends on which "Marxist Feminist" you read/talk to. Some Marxist feminists base their discussion on the relationship of women to production, others use a Marxist theory to develope an analysis of women as a class, which seems to me to go above and beyond the "narrow economism" of more orthodox Marxist feminists. In political practice, I think that a "Marxist feminist" - or a socialist feminist, might be more interested in making links with women in the labor movement and might work on issues such as welfare rights, and would reject liberal feminist goals such as starting business women's organizations, "feminist" banks, etc. Anyway, I think that the analysis of patriarchy came largely through the women of the New Left, which you can read about in Alice Echols' book _Daring to Be Bad_ - which is great. There are also several good anthologies to read on the subject of Marxist Feminism: _Women,Class and the Feminist Imagination_ by Ilene Philipson and Karen Hanson is particularly good. Christine Delphy's 1970 book _Close To Home_ is also a good starting point for the debate between the left and the women's movement. Michele Barret is someone else you might be interested in, although she's pretty much focused on literary criticism. -Rebecca Hill hillx018@maroon.tc.umn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 16:50:49 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret Lloyd Subject: Contact for Dowry Deaths in India I am trying to locate a faculty member who asked, last spring, that individuals interested in dowry deaths in India contact her. The e-mail address that was listed (R1KMF@AKRONVM.EDU) didn't work. Please contact me if you are still interested in sources. Thanks, Marky Lloyd Margaret A. Lloyd Department of Psychology Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460-8041 e-mail: mlloyd@gasou.edu telephone: (912) 681-5423 FAX: 912-681-0751 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 14:04:43 -0700 Reply-To: szlyle@dale.ucdavis.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Lyle Subject: 1995 Un Conf on the Status on Women and Poor Women Hello, My name is Jennifer Lyle I am working in Development (fundraising) for an organization that represents Low Income Women and Girls and our social justice issues. Though we have been hearing alot about the conferences that will be coming up in "95" in Beijing and this fall in Vienna, we have been unable to get any concrete information about the issues that will be discussed. We are very concerned that the issues of low income women will not be brought to the table, and that poor women, specifically of the United States will once again be invisible in an international discussion of women's issues. So, one of the things we are trying to do is raise funds so that we can send some representatives (low income women who are active and working in the social justice arena) to be present at these very important planning meetings. Specifically Vienna, which is our regional planning meeting. If anyone out there has information about how lowincome women's issues will be addressed at any of the conferences, raising funds to send low income women to the conference, or any more general information about the conferences, please respond to me. Thank You Jennifer Lyle (szlyle@DALE.UCDAVIS.EDU) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 17:30:04 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Nelda K. Pearson" Subject: Re: apology to list and more In-Reply-To: <199408230727.DAA27588@holmes.umd.edu> from "Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg" at Aug 22, 94 03:44:26 pm Sorry for the partial posting that came to you all for Cecilia. Slip of the finger. A comment on the recent Kent thing. Given his signiture info I would never have responded to him. Another list I am on has posters who pop up from time to time that have kind of global credentials and invariably they also are angry people who if you don't affirm them will get very nasty--just a rule of thumb or should we say finger for the bug D command. Recently someone posted viz income differentials that removed data that reflected partime or marignal employment and just got down to the gender difference. There is such data obtainable from the Bureau of Labor Statistics but the real issue is that overwhelmingly women and people of color, the disabled are employed in the secondary labor market of deadend low pay no benefits no security poor work conditions and no fulltime employment. Type of work is just as much a gender issue as is "pure" income differentials. A frequent argument is that women don't want full time employment but they counter argument is that they can't get full time employment, similarly we see women in management being ghettoized into to such areas as public relations, personnel, etc which does not lead to the top executive ladder. These jobs of course pay less. Often the argument is made that women prefer personnel, etc or is it that that is the managment job they can get. There are host of subtle and not so subtle ways that women are manged into the types of jobs they have, everything from type education to advice from others. All of these things are gender issues. I was surprised that no one picked this thread up or did I miss something. Nelda Pearson Chair, Race, Class, and Gender Studies Radford University Radford, VA. npearson@ruacad.ac.runet.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 17:10:08 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Nelda K. Pearson" Subject: Re: Congrats In-Reply-To: <199408230727.DAA27588@holmes.umd.edu> from "Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg" at Aug 22, 94 03:44:26 pm Cecilia- Cons ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 18:41:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Subject: Re: question: marxist feminism? Let me suggest that for a good basic discussion of Marxism and feminism it might be worth looking at Sandra Harding's anthology Feminism Methodologies which contains three essays that either adapt or critique Marxism from a feminist perspective. The essays are by Catherine MacKinnon, Nancy Hartsock, and Heidi Hartmann. I doubt it would be feasible to suggest anything like the richness of the work that's been done on feminism and Marxism in a brief response to the list. For instance, I would take exception with a recent post that suggested that Marxist feminists are interested only in workplace issues. This is clearly not the case and much M-F work has been done on issues of sexuality, reproduction, culture, etc. Laurie Finke finkel@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 16:18:42 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Herringer Subject: Re: Professionals In-Reply-To: <199408240509.BAA14038@holmes.umd.edu> Greetings, I will be teaching a graduate course in our social work program on "Women and Social Work: Critical Issues in Policy and Practice". I have compiled some good material but , since we are a new institution with a rather small library at the moment, any feminist social workers /historians/sociologists on the list who can recommend recent work particualrly regarding rural women, northern issues, aboriginal women's issues, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm also co-teaching with four other women, an upper-level political science course on community development and could use some updated sources. Please reply to me and if anyone else is interested in what might come forward, I'd be happy to send it along. For adventurous souls out there we have two tenure track positions available in social work. Please contact me and I'll forward the information. thanks, Barbara Herringer, Asst. Prof University of Northern British Columbia Faculty of Health and Human Sciences/Social Work Prince George, BC Canada ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 23:21:25 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Pauline B. Bart" Subject: Marxist Feminism Marxist Feminism- When I wrote lmy paper "Feminist Theories" some time ago a distinction was made by people with whom I spoke between Marxist feminists and socialist feminists, the latter hewing less to the Marxist line and focussing on both capitalism AND patriarchy, but there was disagreement on where to draw the line e.g. Dorothy Smith considered herself a Marxist feminist, although in terms of the definition would be a socialist feminist. In the discussions on the list radical feminists are omitted (Daring to be Bad is NOT held in high esteem by radical feminists) Christine Delphi is a radical feminist. Most serious social scientists who are feminists use Marx-that doesn't make us Marxist feminists. What I see as the main difference is that Marxist feminists try to fit feminism into a Marxist procrustean bed (e.g. talking about reproducing the labor force as well as reproduction in its biological sense) while I, at least, and other radical feminists (I don't want to apeak for them) use the Marxist variables to enhance our feminist analysis-e.g. we use the sociology of knowledge (MacKinnon does so particularly effectively) ask cui bono, focus on power, and have a profound distrust of existing institutions. We are the only group that has always focusssed on violence against women and speak of misogyny as endemic. Pauline B. Bart U17334@UICVM.UIC.EDU (University of Illinois at Chicago) AKA (also known as) Cassandra / Iphigenia Don't kill the messenger! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 00:11:50 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg Subject: Re: question: marxist feminism? In-Reply-To: Lisa, Marxist-feminist analysis evolved as a feminist-inspired critique of the shortcomings of traditional Marxist approaches to the 'women's question'. Viewing marxist categories as 'sex-blind' and thus incapable of addressing the analysis of gender-related issues, authors such as Heidi Hartmann and Z. Eisenstein (who call themselves 'socialist feminists') argued for a synthesis of Marxist and feminist theory, coining the term 'capitalist patriarchy'. Others (such as Michele Barret, Maxine Molyneux, Flora Anthias, Patricia Connelly, etc), argueing that it is not marxism but actually the dynamics of the capitalist mode of production which is blind to sex-categories (which does not mean that capitalists are blind to the advantages of exploiting women's subordinate position) have opted instead for a more historical approach to the question of the articulation of gender divisions and the economy. THese authors have argued both against the 'reductionism' inherent in attempts to explain the gender divide in terms of the mechanics of the capitalist system (as traditional marxists did), as well as the 'dualism' inherent to synthetic theories (such as implicit in the expression 'capitalist patriarchy'). They suggest instead, that the analysis of the dynamics of gender and class (and gender and the economy) is better posed not at the abstract level of capitalism as a mode of production, but of capitalism as a system of production developing, articulating, and transforming relations/structures of gender and class in historically determined social totalities, that is, in given social and economic formations. I call myself a Marxist-feminist and side with Barret, Connelly, etc. I am a Marxist because I sustain the analytical (and political) primacy of the mode of production in laying bare the basic social, economic, and political structures/relations in which women and men enter or find themselves in struggling for their life means and in putting in motion the process of succession of generations. In my work, I focus on the analysis of the articulation of social relations (of gender, class, race/ethnicity, kinship, generation, etc), and how they define the situation of women in different/specific class instances. Politically, I am involved in the feminist and wider women's movement in Brazil, as well as in class-based social movements, fighting against gender, racial, and class oppression. I am a member of the "Partido dos Trabalhadores" (Workers Party in Brazil, which is different from the Workers' Party in the US and in Europe), and fight against the gender hierarchies which exist within the party. Hope this information helps you in understanding 'marxist-feminists' better. Sorry for the length of the message... Cecilia Sardenberg cecisard@sunrnp.ufba.br ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:06:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gaile Pohlhaus Subject: position available I have been asked by our Women's Studies department to post the following announcement for an available position which we received. (And as a post- script let me add that the posting here for a post-doc fellow at Villanova resulted in our hiring an excellent person from Duke in medieval/women's studies.) Center for Women's Global Leadership Position Available: PROGRAM ASSISTANT The Center for Women's Global Leadership seeks to deepen an understanding of the ways in which gender affects the exercise of power and the conduct of public policy internationally. The Center seeks to make abuses of women's human rights more visivle, by challenging the current understanding and implementation of international human rights policy and processes. Reponsibilities: The Progran Assistant will assist in the Center's programs including Leadership Institutes, Strategic Planning Activities, International Mobil- ization Campaigns, Global Education, the U.S. Program, UN World Conferences, and University based activities. The position requires strong administrative support in facilitating the work of the Center. In addition to specific program assistance, the position will include correspondence, information dissemination, fundraising assistance and other organizational needs. Qualifications: The candidate must have a Bachelor's degree and some knowledge of women's issues. The person must possess excellent writing and communication skills. The candidate must be detail-oriented and have administrative experience. Strong inter-personal skills and the ability to work with diverse groups of people is helpful. The position requires a high level of initiative and the ability to juggle several tasks. Excellent computer skills, especially word processing, are also required. Preferred qualifications include a background in organizing, fundraising experience and Spanish. Salary: Low to mid 20's. Commensurate with experience. Excellent benefits. Starting Date: October 1, 1994 Please send resumes by SEPTEMBER 15, 1994 to: Center for Women's Global Leadership Douglass College, Rutgers University 27 Clifton Avenue New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:21:34 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: question: marxist feminism? In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:03:36 CST from Some other points to add: 1. I wonder if we should not be clear about what the term "Marxism" might mean. a. Related to writings by Marx and how they relate to feminism. b. As a political movement which covers a wide spectrum of interpretation about Marx's writings and the relationship of those interpretations and political parties (movements) and feminism. c. As an example of the science/philoso- phy of dialectical materialism. I have kept myself in the "c" cate- gory because the first is too specific and historically time bound and the second is too fluid and changes with historical developments. Of course both are important for feminist theory. However, I have found diamat (dialectical materialism) helpful in my own scientific research/theory and in my feminist theory/practice. With hope that I will get feedback, may I offer a paper I recently wrote on ...personal is political is personal...as an example of my attempt to use diamat in discussing that concept. It is in Journal of Social Issues, l994, 21, 221-244. If you cannot get it in your library, I would be pleased to send a copy. (Those who have already asked: I just got the copies made and will be sending them out in the next few weeks. Thanks for your interest and my apologies.) Ethel Tobach P.S. Let us not forget poor old Frederick Engels (see Leacock's wonder- ful introduction to origin of the family).l ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:07:39 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Willinger Subject: endowed chairs Dear All, I am interested in finding out how many programs currently have an endowed chair in women's studies. We have recently had such a chair funded and are preparing to invest Marsha Houston as the Nancy Dreux Chair in Women's Studies. I wanted to mention something about the uniqueness of this in our newsletter but didn't want to mispeak. If you have or know about such a chair at another institution, will you please respond directly to me at: willing@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu thanks Beth Willinger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:50:06 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Andrea Austin <3AJA1@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> Subject: Re: Marxist Feminism In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 24 Aug 1994 23:21:25 CDT from Perhaps I may be forgiven for recommending, a second time, since it is such a *wonderful* book, and certainly a landmark study, Alison Jaggar's _Feminist Politics and Human Nature_ (1983). When I was studying for my Specialist's Exam in Feminist Theory, with a sub-speciality in materialist feminism, I found Jaggar's book absolutely indispensible in trying to wade through the tricky distinctions and shading-into points btw. marxist feminism, socialist feminism, and materialist feminism. I also found Laura Donaldson's _Decolonizing Feminisms_ (1992) an esp. wonderful read. Has anyone used the phrase "materialist feminism" yet in this thread? And, out of curiosity, what to do the rest of you think of it? Necessary distinction? Too all-inclusive? Unnecessary muddying of already muddy waters? Confusing for students, or helpful? I have my own passionate allegiance to the term and the work it describes, but am curious to know how others feel about it. Andrea Austin Dept. of English Queen's University 3aja1@qucdn.queensu.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 12:46:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Heald Subject: Re: Professionals In-Reply-To: <9408250212.AA20250@rigel.cc.umanitoba.ca> I agree with both Daphne and Joan. The way I read Daphne's post connected with a concern I've had that Women's Studies programs are often undermined and even undermine ourselves by the suggestion that the fact of being a woman qualifies someone to teach Women's Studies. Or that a general interest in women or a generalized commitment to feminism qualifies someone to teach. I cannot imagine an English department asking me to teach Shakespeare because I enjoyed a recent Twelfth Night production! This, of course, does not rule out the fact that many of us are asked to or express a desire to teach courses in new areas, nor does it ignore the fact that sometimes we feel compelled to do so in order to make certain that poorly-funded, much-embattled programs continue to operate and provide students with interesting courses. I've been struggling to find a comfortable place with these questions: the concepts of "professionalization", "status" and "discipline" all send off warning signals for me, but I still get nervous when people identify themselves with "Women's Studies" with little or no background. For example, last year a student expressed surprise to me that she didn't get into a PhD program in Women's Studies, although she'd never taken a single course. She then suggested that it would be a small matter for me to set her up a program that would qualify her for that program in one semester! I've gone on a bit too much, I'm afraid. For me it's not a question about people's behaviour and requests on this list, but a much more general struggle with how to have Women's Studies become a respected part of university education without falling into some of the more negative aspects of maintaining disciplinary boundaries, establishing `canons', etc. I'd be interested to know how others put this together. Susan Heald Women's Studies University of Manitoba heald@cc.umanitoba.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Goldstein Subject: Re: Harassing women his first day on the job In-Reply-To: <199408210429.AAA02731@holmes.umd.edu> from "K R McLain" at Aug 20, 94 11:27:21 pm > > PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY TO THIS at TA102297@jetson.uh.edu > > What would you recommend a woman engineer do if, on her (male) > boss's first day on the job, he makes a comment to a (male) > engineer that 'Women engineers are easy. They're all whores' > > Assume he then is so rude and insulting that his secretary > refuses to work for him and goes to his boss to complain. > > Assume this second boss calls in the woman engineer to see > if she has any complaints and tells him about fifteen rude > and insulting remarks which the new boss made to her in > private. Then she mentions that the person who heard the > 'whore' remark was rather unhappy about it so this person > was called into the second boss's office and he complains > about the new boss. > > The second boss then has a discussion with the new boss who > of course either denies saying each thing or thrown the blame > on the woman secretary (She must not like her job) and on the > woman engineer (She's touchy or she misunderstood). > > Then assume this happened in the State of Louisiana. > > I really need your advice about what the woman engineer should > do to protect herself and what she should expect from him. > She figures she will never get a fair performance review and > that he is very sly and will retaliate subtley, > > TA102297@jetson.uh.edu > Your friend the engineer should retain counsel. She will need individualized help, not general advice. Because of the fee-shifting provisions of the various applicable civil rights laws, she may not even end up having to pay for her lawyer, but if she does it will be money well spent. Anne Goldstein Western New England College School of Law agoldste@wnec.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:32:06 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Catherine B. Roland" Subject: Re: position available In-Reply-To: <199408251603.LAA01259@comp.uark.edu> University of Arkansas, Fayetteville, will be searching for a faculty member in the area of Counselor Education. Basic qualifications: Ph.D. or Ed.D. in Counselor Education, familiar with and interested in issues of diversity, to include but not be limited to gender, multiculturalism, women's issues, and alternative lifestyles. Look in the Chronicle in Sept. or Oct., or request more info from me. Begins August 1995. Also, on another matter, I am doing research on women, mentoring, and higher education. Any interest out there? Catherine B. Roland, Ed.D. croland@comp.uark.edu 136 Grad Ed Univ. Arkansas Fayettevile, AR 72701, 501-575-3511 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 16:01:23 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Novemsky Subject: women in urban society I will be teaching a course in the fall on understanding technological society, where urban life is the center of the course. In the past pieces by Bel Hooks and Starhawk have represented the feminist voice. I am looking for some short pieces that might speak clearly to a class of mostly male freshman engineering majors. I would appreciate any suggestions from the list. (Novemsky@admin.njit.edu) THanks... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:09:21 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janice Dawson-Threat Subject: missing person I am searching for Dr.Anne Wilson Schaef? Sh e was in California but when I tried to reach her at her campus and through her book publisher in the Spring of '93 I was unable to locate her. When I completed my dissertation I was unable to give her proper citation on one of her pieces because it was unpublished. I wanted to let her know that. As women we can't get credit for citations if our work is not properly listed. Janice Dawson-Threat jthreat@iastate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:18:12 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janice Dawson-Threat Subject: forms of pedagogy I am writing a piece on "critical Pedagogy" which is being promoted as a means of developing multicultural curriculums and thought I would like to discuss the evolution of pedagogy, particularly as it relates to college education or of adults. I am aware of "feminist pedagogy" as it relates to college women and including women in the curriculum. "pedagogy of the oppressed" is another term I know of as it realtes to the education of the poor and the politically oppressed. Can anyone tell me of other pedagogical forms that have existed since 1900's? jthreat@iastate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 20:10:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "D. Atkins" Subject: Body Image Books I have finally got the Body Image Task Force book list on line. This is a list and review of body image books from a wide range of perspectives. If you would like a copy of this annotated bibliography sent to you, contact me privately. (It is very long, so I won't post it here.) Dawn Atkins datkins@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 23:21:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: Re: Body Image Books I would love to receive your Body Image book. Georgia NeSmith gnesmith@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 23:28:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Wayne Subject: Re: Rejecting feminism In-Reply-To: <9408230000.AA21924@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca> Regarding the televised interviews: Both print and television media utilize the standard trade tool of the supposed two-sided argument. This format not only helps to sensationalize the presentation by pitting opposing views against each other, but operates to repackage information as infotainment. My question is, is this the best way in which to conduct any type of academic investigation or questioning? More so, pitting big women writers against each other in this way creates a situation where they can be seen as the two extreme views, Steinem's feminism vs. Summer's anti-feminism, and who gets to occupy the reasonable middle ground? (men maybe?) Linda Wayne ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 23:57:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Wayne Subject: Re: women's views of "feminism" In-Reply-To: <9408231813.AA01626@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca> On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, linda l. anderson wrote: > i think homophobia and the fear that calling oneself a feminist equals saying > you're a lesbian needs to be taken into account in these discussions. > I would agree and add that in that realm where feminism = lesbian = evil incarnate there is almost always a distinction drawn between women and feminists. I have a pile of _Western Report_ and _Alberta Report_ on my floor, both right-wing feminist-hating journals, which have a whole writing style worked out which turns on this distinction in their routine feminist bashing. Linda Wayne ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 07:03:12 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GODD@VTVM1.BITNET please unsubscribe me ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 08:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: How to unsubscribe (and how NOT to) > please unsubscribe me Recently, someone sent this message to WMST-L. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS! To unsubscribe, send the message UNSUBCRIBE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU or LISTSERV@UMDD (the bitnet address). If one address doesn't work, try the other. If neither works, please write to me PRIVATELY at the address in my signature. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you clutter thousands of subscribers' email files with messages about your subscription! When you subscribe to WMST-L and to other lists, you receive a message telling you how to unsubscribe and advising you to SAVE that information for when you need it. Every month, I post sections from the User's Guide that tell you to unsubscribe. The entire User's Guide is available for viewing 24 hours a day on the UMBC gopher and World Wide Web (gopher to gopher.umbc.edu and choose #6 (academic depts) then #9 (women's studies) then #5 (WMST-L); on WWW, the URL is http://www-unix.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/ . You can also get the User's Guide by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (internet) or LISTSERV@UMDD (bitnet). So please, learn how to unsubscribe and put this information somewhere safe so you'll have it when you need it. DO NOT SEND MESSAGES ABOUT YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO WMST-L. As for the person who sent the above "unsub" message, please send the message UNSUBSCRIBE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) and/or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). If NEITHER address works, please write to me privately and I'll try to help. Thanks. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:29:53 +119304328 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Fiona McQuarrie Subject: Marie Claire Survey In-Reply-To: <01HGBUGG9SUE9FW9YI@upei.ca> This is my first posting to wmst-l...I've really enjoyed lurking the last few months! Regarding the Marie Claire magazine survey on definitions of feminism: a previous poster suggested that as Marie Claire was published by Hearst, who also publishes Cosmopolitan, the survey might have been originally published in the pages of Cosmopolitan. Since a lot of my female students read Cosmopolitan, I try to keep up with it too, and there has been no survey of that sort in the last while. If the poll was conducted by Gallup, I would guess that they did random sampling of some sort, maybe from the Cosmopolitan subscription list, but maybe from some other population. I'm not too sure, either, that if the survey were conducted from the Cosmopolitan readership that it wouldn't be, as was suggested, representative of the general American public. Cosmopolitan has one of the highest circulations of any of the "women"'s magazines, and also supposedly has an extremely wide range of demographics in its audience. Although the "Cosmo girl" image is that of an urban working woman, only 5% of the readers are actually urban dwellers. As scary as the thought is, Cosmopolitan is probably pretty influential! Fiona McQuarrie fmcquarr@atlas.cs.upei.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 09:53:23 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "D. Atkins" Subject: Body Image Well, that was pretty amazing. I have had a tone of requests for the Body Image Book list. I should have just posted it. :) I am glad it is getting out there. Several people said they will use if for classes or other ways distribute it. The Body Image Task Force produces a series of handouts all of which are "copy-free" -- meaning they want you to copy and distribute them. The hardest part of the work sometimes is getting the material to the people who need it. If you would like copies of their brochures, all you have to do is send them via regular mail a self-addressed, stamped envelope. If you are asking for all their handouts you might add additional postage or a donation to cover it. They really need money to keep producing these handouts so every little bit counts. Here is a list of their current handouts: Body Image Task Force Information and Membership Application Task Back Our Bodies! (on body image issues as a violence against women issue) Body Image Solutions (a suggestion list of way to change your own body image and the worlds attitudes) Weight Loss and Your Health (a explanation of why diets don't work, the physical & psychological damage they do and alternatives). Building Blocks for Children's Body Image (a guide for adults about how body image issues affect children and what they can do). Facts About Female Genital Mutilation (a 12pg booklet about FGM which includes medical, legal, cultural and resource info. Suggested donation is for this booklet is $3-5). I don't have these online yet. Even so, they will be nicer if you get the printed brochures. They also produce a quarterly newsletter available through either membership or subscription. Body Image Task Force, PO Box 934, Santa Cruz, CA 95061-0934 (408) 457-4838. Also, if you are interested in t-shirts and jewelry that promotes body image diversity. I produce "All Women Are Beautiful" t-shirts. There are two designs which depict women of all sizes as beautiful. The shirts are available in several colors and come in sizes small thru 10X. For a catalog, send me your regular mail address privately and I will mail it. Dawn Atkins datkins@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 12:55:19 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Jadwin Subject: feminist appr. to trnsfrnce/cntertrnsfrnce - compiled responses Several people have requested copies of listmembers' responses to my earlier request for feminist approaches to psychological transference/countertransference. Here's a compilation of responses. Attributions either precede or follow the responses. Lisa Jadwin jadwin@sjfc.edu Try the following titles: Margaret Little, Transference Neurosis and Transference Psychosis; Anne Berstein and Gloria Warner, Women Treating Women; and Doris Bernstein, Norbert Freedman, and Betsy Distler, Female Identity Conflict in Clinical Practice. The last two may be the most useful. You might also be interested in reading Judith Rossner's novel, August, which touches on some feminist issues in psychoanalysis between a female analyst and analysand, although I have not finished reading this book, so I don't know the outcome. Susan Jenson sj26@umail.umd.edu *** From: "Diana M.A. Relke" I publisht a long article on CT last year that has a fairly extensive bibliography: "Foremothers Who Cared: Paula Heimann, Margaret Little and the Female Tradition in Psychoanalysis," FEMINISM AND PSYCHOLOGY, Vol. 3(1): 89-109. (It's a British journal publisht by SAGE.) The absract reads as follows: In 1910, Freud labelled countertransference as pathological, suggesting that analysts either ovrcome it or quit the profession. It was largely female analysts who, after 40 years of virtual silence on the issue, followed the lead of Paula Heimann and Margaret Little, challenging Freud's anxiety-ridden view and redefining countertransference as an intersubjective mode of relating and a crucial tool of analytic inquiry. This revised view is still questioned by practitioners, many of whom continue to eschew connection and retreat behind Freud's masculine image of the analyst as unemotional and detached. This outmoded analytic ideal hinders contemporary attempts to revise psychoanalysis in feminist terms. I have found that feminists don't want to talk too much about transference and countertransference, since the terms are so tainted--a position I find counterproductive, like throwing out the dishes with the dishwater. The only feminists who take T/CT seriously are lacanians, who buy right into the original freudian position, which I find regressive. See the dictionary of feminism and psychoanalysis (cant remember the real title), edited by Elizabeth Wright (you know; the woman who wrote that really useful study of psychoanalytic literary criticism). So with regard to your futile search for titles, don't restrict yourself to "feminism" as a search-word. Go to the back issues of prominent journals of psychoanalysis and look up some women analysts, such as Karen Horney, Ella Sharpe, Alice Balint, Paula Heimann, Margaret Little, Frieda Fromm-Reichmann, Mabel Blake Cohen and Clara Thompson. These are the women who revolutionized T/CT discourse. Some of their articles are published in two volumes from New York University Press: ESSENTIAL PAPERS ON TRANSFERENCE (cant remember who edits it) and ESSENTIAL PAPERS ON COUNTERTRANSFERENCE, ed. by B. Wolstein (1988). See also LOVE: PSYCHOANALYTIC PERSPECTIVES, Judith Lasky and Helen Silverman, eds, NYUP, 1988, which contains 2 or 3 good articles by women on T/CT (most of the book is about T/CT). See Ruderman's work on "Creative and Reparative Uses of Countertransference by Women Psychotherapists Treating Women Patients: A Clinical Research Study," in T Bernay and D.W. Cantor, eds. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TODAY'S WOMEN. This article came out of Ruderman's doctoral work, and I believe she has a book out now. I would highly recommend the Jungians on T/CT. They are lightyears ahead of any of the freudian- and kleinian-derived positions on T/CT. See esp. A. Carotenuto's KANT'S DOVE: THE HISTORY OF TRANSFERENCE IN PSYCHOANALYSIS, trans J. Tambureno. Wilmette, IL: Chiron Publications, 1989. But as for feminist takes on T/CT? Well, lemme know if you find any! Oh, yes, there's Chodorow's volume of essay, the one that came out in 89 or 90: she has an article in there, toward the back of the book, on freudian tradition. In a footnote to that article, she puts in a lengthy good word for women on the subject of T/CT. I like Chodorow's take on T/CT--makes real sense to me. Lemme know if I can be of any more help. *** From: Marilyn Manners See Teresa de Lauretis, _The Practice of Love: Lesbian Sexuality and Perverse Desire_. Check index for brief, but possibly helpful, references. *** From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Lisa, a few years back I wrote an article for College English on psychoanlaysis and pedagogy called "Knowledge as Bait" (it came out like maybe a year or two ago?) In it I deal some with transference and most of the literature on psychoanalysis and pedagogy (which is cited in my article) deals with transference. The case study on Dora is a good place to start and much of the secondary literature on Dora (especially in the field of English studies--see the Dora casebook--deals with the issue of transference. There's an essay by Lacan in the Female Sexualities book (ed. Rose and Mitchell). *** From: Michelle Brewer I don't know if this is quite what you are looking for, but I recently read a paper by early psychoanalyst Melanie Klein. The paper was called "Envy and Gratitude." I as well am not in the field, so to understand the paper I read up on her in an encyclopedia of psychology, psychiatry and psychoanalysis. She felt that more important that an "archaelogy of the past" was the relation ship between the therapist and patient with the stuff from the past being the vehicle by which the transference takes place. I know that most therapy takes this on board, but she was the first one to make it primary and hence in her works has a good description of the process. I know that it is not an analysis but it is interesting none the less. FYI ! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 14:39:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Larry Ashley Subject: WOMEN AND MEDICINE In re your query about references to the underrepresentation of women in medical research, you might want to look at the book THE MISMEASURE OF WOMEN which has quite a lot of well annotated material on the topic. I have not seen much commentary on or reference to this book (available in paperback at my Barnes and Noble bookstore) but it looks quite reputable to me. Larry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ / Lawrence R. Ashley BITNET:Ashleyl@SNYCORVA / Department of Philosophy INTERNET:Ashleyl@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU / 125 DeGroat Hall SUNY DECnet:SCORVA::Ashleyl / SUNY College at Cortland Bus. Phone: (607) 753-2015 / P.O. Box 2000 Home Phone: (607) 753-0058 / Cortland, New York, 13045 Fax by prearrangement to home phone. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 13:05:32 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Xeturah M. Woodley" Subject: Re: who is a feminist? In-Reply-To: <01HG612Z6C5E000JEC@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> Greetings All, A few weeks ago a discussion regarding "who is a feminist" was started on this group which I would like to respond to. I apoligize for not knowing who the original composer of the message was, but I believe those of you who participated in the discusssion will know what I am talking about. As an African American woman working within the ranks of Feminist theory, "who is a feminist" and "what is feminism" are questions that I am constantly asked to answer in my day to day existance. Not only do others ask me about them in relation to my scholastic endeavors but also in regard to my personal commitment to "women's work for, of, and by women". I preface my comments with this statement to ensure those of you reading that I am not making my comments from some "exclusionary, feminist-hating, angry Black woman's" space. Instead, it is my hope that you will realize I am making the following comments from the center of my ideals of sisterhood. I do not believe that all people who work for changes in women's lives can be considered feminist. Being a feminist involves more than just working to change the situation of women, it also includes a certain belief in the ways in which that change should occur. Therefore, I would suggest that we should start seeing Feminism as a form of WOMEN'S MOVEMENTS rather than the way in which women move. By doing this, we open the ranks of women's political, social, and economic activities to include all of our sisters. No, all women who work for changing women's status are not feminists, but they are part of a more universal movement of social change. So rather than looking for one universal label for what to call women (and men) who work to change the condition of women, why not look at these different groups as part of a universal women's movement instead? BTW, I am one of those students who does not call myself a feminist but not because I think feminist are a bunch of "bra-burning" leftists. I do not choose to call myself a feminist because I have found a more comfortable place FOR ME to express my ideology and my goals. This space is yet another place in the circle of women's movements that for me is the most productive. I hope that someday, all women and men will find their place in the circle as well. In sisterhood, Xeturah Monique ****************************************************************************** X.M.Woodley * "I am not FREE, while any woman is Univ. of Colo. at Denver * UNFREE, xwoodley@carbon.denver.colorado.edu * Even if her SHACKLES are very * DIFFERENT from my own. * -Audre Lorde- ****************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 15:42:54 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JManlowe@AOL.COM Subject: HIV/AIDS network Hello from Providence, RI. I am trying to get my immunology colleagues at the hospital where I work networked and have promised them I would find out if an HIV/AIDS list exists on the internet. Would someone out there please respond to me privately if they know of such any such list(s)? Thanks. Jennifer Manlowe jmanlowe@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 15:03:47 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: An Alternative Sommers Suggestion A week ago I suggested sharing work on Sommers in order to answer the questions that are raised by her book. It is clear that people are just too busy for such a cooperative project. So I dreamed another approach that might be useful in teaching Women's Studies classes. Why not ask the students to deal with z??a@ Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl Sattler Subject: Homophobia > >To:wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu >From:sattler@bio.fsu.edu (Cheryl Sattler) >Subject:Homophobia > >In response to Linda Anderson: > >Yes, you are absolutely correct. Many women--in my work and in the work of >Kamen and Wolf--do not identify as feminist because they see it as synonymous >with lesbian. In fact, I titled a section "Do you mean feminist as in >lesbian, or feminist as in male-basher?" tongue in cheek, naturally. I find >that as a straight feminist, actively participating in many local communities >including the very active gay & lesbian community here that people are often >surprised to see my male partner (also a feminist) because they have assumed >that I am also gay. > >I continue to work to make it "okay" to not only be openly gay (and >feminist!), but to be confused as being gay, without the pejorative >connotations lesbians/gays have been labeled with. However, in a town such as >this one, despite the activism we do, many people are closeted because they >fear for their jobs...in such a situation I have all kinds of empathy for >women who, while ( I think) not necessarily homophobic, are afraid to be >"tarred with the same brush." In the case of teachers, this is especially a >problem given the public nature of their work and the expectations that >surround them. An excellent work on this is called "Lesbian Teachers" by ____ >Didi Khayatt, an Egyptian woman and--I believe--a lesbian teacher. > >Cheryl ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 16:00:00 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Roth, Benita (G) SOCIO" Subject: one more on ken palmer please forgive my late reply, but i only check my e-mail once a week -- sorry joan. I think part of the problem with palmer's initial message is that it did seem rude, in a way that i don't think is particularly gender-based, or one where we need to seek special analogies to understand (altho i personally like the analogies proferred). Basically -- and this is backed up by his second message -- the guy said, "Hi. I'm not at all interested in your research, but hey, maybe you'd be interested in mine." Look, if someone came up to me at a conference and said this, I'd repress the strong urge to slap that person. I think that one doesn't have to be a card-carrying fill-in-the-blank feminist to know how to approach others in academia, or in cyber-space for that matter. benita broth@soc.sscnet.ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 17:17:17 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert T. Weverka" Subject: Re: An Alternative Sommers Suggestion Jane Hannigan writes: >A week ago I suggested sharing work on Sommers in order to answer the >questions that are raised by her book. Sommers book is, in part, a collection of debunking of myths. To address this by finding her errors is missing the bigger picture. Sommers tells a story of academia, the press, and government agencies all failing to view a politically motivated agenda with a healthy dose of skepticism. The particular myths she debunks are merely anecdotes in making this story. Every movement has its excesses. What Sommers did was to point out some excesses in the feminist movement. What she failed to do, was to show that these excesses characterize the movement as a whole. These are merely anecdotes. Sommers paints a picture of unbridled zeal leading to total loss of academic rigor. Sommers fails when she uses merely anecdotes rather than the full story. Hannigan has proposed an inquiry into the accuracy of Sommers work on a point by point basis. Would it not be more productive to examine all the premises of one of the writers who Sommers criticizes, and to find out how much of that writer's work is properly characterized by Sommers book? If Steinem errs once in writing on dozens of subjects, is it fair to condemn her? Sommers may have erred on some particulars, but I think that one would have to take on the bigger picture to show her wrong in general. -Ted ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 21:55:29 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: violence against women act I am passing on a post from the FEMJUR list that I think will be of interest to many on this list. Georgia NeSmith gnesmith@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 21:28:08 -0400 Reply-To: IRENESTUBER@DELPHI.COM Sender: Discussions and Information About Feminist Legal Issues From: Irene Stuber Subject: Violence Against Women Act Passed Today we celebrate passage of the Violence Against Women Act -- the greatest breakthrough in civil rights for women in nearly two decades. This act is a milestone for women's right to be free from gender-based violence that constitutes one of the worst, but most accepted, social epidemics this country has ever faced. And as we celebrate the 74th anniversary of our right to vote, let us not forget the new and powerful voice of all women in Congress who helped push the Violence Against Women Act through after so many years of painful delay. The Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) was one of NOW's two key goals for the 103rd Congress. But given the murders and arson at abortion clinics just weeks after Congress passed our other priority bill, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, we know that VAWA will no guarantee women will live any more safely tomorrow than we did yesterday. The federal government's new violence against women law provides $1.6 billion for safe homes and safe streets for women. The law no recognizes, for the first time ever, that gender-based violence is a violation of women's civil rights. Finally women will be empowered to seek redress in CIVIL COURT, even if a prosecutor is unable or unwilling to pursue a criminal conviction against the woman's attacker. For six years NOW has been lobbying Congress to pass a new law on violence against women. The fact that today we have accomplished that goal is in part a result of the success of NOW's Elect Women for A Change campaign in 1992. In the 102nd Congress, we noted that fully 74% of the women were taking leadership as co-sponsors of the VAWA and only 47% of the men. With the near doubling of women in the 103rd Congress, 85% of the women and 51% of the men were pushing for this act. Today NOW serves notice to institutions that perpetuate and glorify violence against women. NO one will escape the scrutiny of NOW and battered women's advocates -- from the back slapping football coach who jokes about kicking his wife after a losing game to the mass media which makes a point of dehumanizing women through popular movies, TV sitcoms and even the evening news. The goal of NOW's campaign is nothing less than to change our culture -- to make violence against women as socially unacceptable as it is illegal. -- Statement of NOW President Patricia Ireland on Passage of the Violence Against Women Act as part of the crime bill. (Incidentally, Sen. Nancy Kassenbaum (R-KS), ultra-conservative and sister senator to Dour Dole broke with the right wingers and voted with those passing the Crime bill - her vote was the extra vote needed to pass after Dour Dole pushed through a stinkeroo that required a 2/3 favorable vote instead of 50% plus one. Yes, women in Congress do make a difference.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 06:26:43 +0500 Reply-To: wmst_ml@nsac.clark.net Sender: Women's Studies List From: wmst ml Organization: New Connections Subject: * CEO Sought - Businesswomen's Communication Network CEO Sought - Businesswomen's Communication Network Searching for CEO for startup business which is a communication network catering to businesswomen.. Write your own ticket to the future in this dynamic empowering business with compensation which includes an equity share. 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Please reply in confidence to ms@nsac.clark.net --- New Connections BBS, Rockville, MD --- --- The Computer Network for Professionals --- --- BBS office: 301-9293327 --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 09:05:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Heather Munro Prescott, Department of History" Subject: Marie Claire survey I have been unable to find the Aug/Sept. issue of the American version of _Marie Claire_ at any of my local bookstores (most are starting with the second issue -- I guess they got a lot of requests after the Today show interview -- doesn't do me much good, however!) Would someone who has a copy please send me a photocopy of the article in question? I would be happy to reimburse you for the cost of copying and postage. My snail mail address is: Heather Munro Prescott History Department Central Connecticut State University 1615 Stanley St. New Britain, CT 06050-4010 To avoid duplication of effort, please e-mail me privately (prescott@csusys. ctstateu.edu) before sending. thanks for your help. Heather Munro Prescott prescott@csusys.ctstateu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 14:31:01 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: FILM REVIEW ADDED: MI VIDA LOCA On Saturday, August 27, I reviewed "Mi Vida Loca" on "The Women's Show,e a feminist radio magazine on WMNF-FM (88.5) and now it is on the WMST-L film filelist. To obtain this review send the following command to Listserv @UMDD (Bitnet) or UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): GET FILM REV118 FILM To obtain a list of all the film reviews available, send a message to the same listserv address that says: INDEX FILM To get more than one review, put each command on a separate line: GET FILM REV6 FILM GET FILM REV14 FILM GET FILM REV39 FILM The opinions expressed in these reviews were mine when I wrote the review and represent one woman's opinion at a particular time.We have over 2800 subscribers to WMST-L so there are probably 2799 other views. If you would like to share yours, please do NOT do so on the WMST-L itself, but send your messages to me personally at the addresses below. I have appreciated the feedback I've received. Thanks. Linda Linda Lopez McAlister/Hypatia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 14:36:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Goldstein Subject: Underrepresentation of women in medicine Having just finished an article called "Lesbians and the Medical Profession: HIV/AIDS and the Pursuit of Visibility," I've done some research on this par- ticular topic recently. One of the very best sources I found was the SIECUS Report 22:1 (Oct/Nov 1993) called "At Issue with AIDS: About Women." It in- cludes a number of splendid, up-to-date articles including a fabulous piece by Mary Beth Caschetta about the exclusion of women from medical research/clin- ical trials for a whole range of diseases/health issues/medical problems be- sides HIV/AIDS. It's called, "The Identity Politics of Biomedical Research: Clinical Trials, Medical Knowledge, and the Female Body," and it's followed by another excellent short piece by Teresa McGovern, Esq., called "Including Women in Scientific Research: A Change in Name Only?" Nancy Warren's "Out of the Question: Obstacles to Research on HIV and Women who Engage in Sexual Behaviors with Women" is also fabulous. All of these pieces are 3 pages or less long, have terrific bibliographies, and can be used as mini-textbooks for classes and seminars. My introduction to women's studies class and my introduction to lesbian/gay studies class will be reading the SIECUS Report this fall as part of their sections on HIV/AIDS. Note: *all* of the women in public health/medicine whom I interviewed for this article told me that in order to talk about the medical profession's neglect of lesbians, I would first have to begin with the larger issue of the medical profession's neglect of *all* women. Caschetta's article is an eye-opener. It's amazing what these folks don't know and don't care to know. If anyone is interested in reading more about women and the medical profession, a special issue on this topic is coming out from "Women's Studies: An Inter- disciplinary Journal" first thing in 1995. It will include articles by Antoinette Emch-Deriaz ("Health and Gender Oriented Education: An Eighteenth- Century Case-Study"), Ann Folwell Stanford ("'Through the Mouth of [T]his Wound: Gender, Sexuality, and Representations of Pain' in 'The Interior Castle' by Jean Stafford). Rosemarie Garland Thomson ("Toward a Feminist Theory of the Physically Disabled Subject"), Roma Heillig and Ginny Black Wolf ("Woman as Shaman: Reclaiming the Power to Heal"), Diane Price Herndl ("The Invisible (Invalid) Woman: African-American Women, Illness, and Nineteenth-Century Narr- ative"), Bonnie Wilde Cunningham ("'Writing a Woman's Life' of Anaesthesis: An Autobiographical Journey Through Medicine and Literature"), and my article on lesbians, HIV/AIDS, and the medical professsion. You can reach the folks at SIECUS (Sex Information and Education Council of the U.S.) by writing to the SIECUS Report, 130 West 42nd Street, Suite 2500, New York, New York 10036, or by calling (212)819-9770. Their FAX # is (212) 819-9776. Nancy Goldstein goldstein@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 21:39:24 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amy Goodle Subject: new subscriber says hello Hi. I'm new to the Women's Studies mailing list, and since it was suggested that I post an "intro," I'll do that now. My name is Amy Goodloe (my e-mail address comes from an attempt to be as creative as the other screenames on America Online!), and I'm a professional graduate student living in San Francisco. I have a BA in English from Agnes Scott (1989), an M.Ed. in English Education from U.Va.(91), an MA in English from Virginia Tech (93), and one year towards a Ph.D. (subsequently abandoned) at Syracuse University -- I mention all this in case there's anyone out there I might've been in school with, in which case you are more than welcome to send me an e-note! Currently I am working on a certificate in Teaching Composition at San Francisco State and applying to their master's program in women's studies, as well as tutoring, volunteering, and trying to keep up with queer life in San Francisco (as well as keeping my girlfriend happy ;-) I am especially interested in women's and lesbian literature, and in gay and lesbian studies as an academic field, and would welcome correspondence from anyone with similar interests. In fact, I'm currently compiling a list of lesbian graduate students in all fields who are interested in having some kind of online network to connect with each other and share ideas, info, and general chat, so if you'd be interested in something like that, drop me a note, and please put "lesbian academics " in the subject line. I guess that's about it. Oh, if there's anyone out there tutoring ages 16 and up in reading and writing who knows of some good resources (activities, books, etc.), please let me know!! Thanks, from your new sister in cyberspace. -- Amy Ruby8fruit@aol.com "Liberty and justice are NOT special rights." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 04:26:34 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Wayne Subject: Looking for Linda In-Reply-To: <9408280712.AA26526@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca> Sorry to bother the list with this but could anyone help me locate linda Nochlan? She is an Art Historian who, I was told, spent some time at Yale. Does anyone know where she is now? Please reply privately to: Linda Wayne ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 10:00:44 -0500 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Introductory hello? Not on WMST-L I'd like to clear up a possible misconception about WMST-L. Earlier today, Amy Goodloe wrote > Hi. I'm new to the Women's Studies mailing list, and since it was suggested > that I post an "intro," I'll do that now. Introductory hello's may be the procedure on some lists, especially lists that are designed primarily for informal chat, but on WMST-L, a large, active, professionally-oriented list where heavy mail volume is a frequent problem, that advice is inappropriate. I'm not objecting to the actual message Amy sent, since it included information about the lesbian graduate student network that she is trying to establish. That message IS appropriate for WMST-L, but more general "hi, here's who I am" postings are not. There are new people joining WMST-L every day--sometimes 15 or 20 or more on a single day. Introductions from each of them would add too much to the list's already heavy mail volume. If I had a LOT more time than I do, and if WMST-L weren't already being asked to cut back on its files, I might suggest that people who wish to do so could send me short biographies, which could be alphabetized, indexed by key words, and stored in an online file. But I have NO time, bio information rapidly becomes outdated, and WMST-L does have a storage problem. So people will have to continue making contacts in a less organized way. From what I've heard, the list already facilitates such contacts quite well. Thanks once again for your understanding and cooperation. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 11:51:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Bellanca Subject: Marie Goeppert Meyers Dear All - I am a fifth-year grad student in physics at SUNY at Stony Brook. I am starting a non-profit organization for women scientists, geared towards both educating young women in science and gathering women scientists together to discuss and exchange research ideas and experiences/ideas/advice about being a woman scientist. I would like to call the organization the Marie Goeppert-Meyer Institute after a famous atomic physicist who solved the difficult theoretical problem of the two-photon atomic transition, partly because she is in my field (no, we don't build bombs - that's the nuclear folks' job) and partly because she had an important biographical story for women scientists. I have three questions : 1) I assume that I need permission to use her name - does anyone have any information about how I could obtain such permission, find out whose permission I need (her estate's? her relatives?), or a reference of someone whom I could contact who might be able to help me? She worked in the 1930's. 2) Next summer (1995) I am planning an educational workshop for young high school and undergraduate women at Sagamore Institute, Raquette Lake, NY in the Adirondak Park. The idea is to run experiments, workshops, etc. for 1-2 weeks as well as have discussions about the history and current status of women in science, mathematics, and engineering. I would appreciate any references/names of any other such programs for young women scientists. I would also like to invite some tenured/established women scientists up for a few days for such discussions and to provide role models for young women scientists. Unfortunately, at this time I am just applying for grants and cannot at this time offer any financial incentives, although hopefully in the future that will be possible. If any established women scientists on this list would be willing to contribute their time and energy for a few days next summer, please contact me. I would also appreciate suggestions of names of possible women scientists to invite. 3) I would appreciate any suggestions for relevant grants to which I could apply for funding for this project. Ideally, I would like to be able to support each young woman (20-40) for 1-2 weeks and all costs of the project, including reimbursements for speakers and staff. However, we will take any funding which we can get! Please respond privately to : bellanca@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Jo Bellanca Department of Physics SUNY at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11974 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 12:09:10 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ann castle Subject: women and philanthorpy Ijust read a message which reminded me that I wanted to send a note to all on the list that I compile and circulate a bibliography on women and philanthropy. The biblio is up to approx. 23 pages now and includes articles, books, reports, as well as the names of reference libraries and resource centers. The list has been published as a chapter in a book entitled Women as Donors, Women as Phil- anthropists, published by Jossey Bass in SF, CA. (I get no royalties from this so this is no advertisement...) If you want a copy of my biblio and to have updates sent , please email me with you postal address. My phone number is 617 495 8528, fax 617 495 0521, email castle@haravrda.harvard.edu Thanks for listening. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 12:24:39 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ann Castle Subject: Re: women and philanthorpy In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 28 Aug 1994 12:09:10 EST from I just realized I misspelled my email address in the previous message I sent about my bibliography on women and philanthropy. The correct address is castle@harvarda.harvard.edu thanks for your patience ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 14:52:59 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ann Travers Subject: Women & Amer. Education I am interested in the following for incorporating into an undergraduate "Women & American Education: Colonial Times to Present" course I will be teaching next semester: Short readable works on pertinent issues (e.g., women's access to institutions, the effects of education upon women's life choices, inequity and cultural diversity, contemporary public ed. and gender issues, how women are changing the classrooms/how they are affecting women students). Works of fiction as well as non-fiction would be most welcome. Thank you. Agtravers@AOL.COM P.S. The syllabi thru LISTSERV as well as the file "FIRSTDAY EXERCISE" have been *very* helpful. Are there any other files similar to these that I can access for ideas on putting this course together? Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 21:37:26 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marjanne Gooze' Subject: Re: Marie Claire Survey In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:29:53 +119304328 from I am very confused since reading an article last week in the Atlanta Constituti on about the U.S. edition of Marie Claire. First, M.C. is a well-known, popula r women's magazine, published in several languages in Western Europe (I'm aware of German and French editions). As to what the Atlanta newspaper had to say: the reviewer greatly regretted the turn "she" felt the magazine had taken in th e 2nd issue (?), since the first had contained promising articles on "real" wom en and had been perceived to have a "womanist" perspective. Am I behind the ti mes and unaware of a new use of the term "womanist"? I know it from African Am erican writers such as Alice Walker. I hardly think that a magazine such as M. C. could be in that category. Marjanne E. Gooze' Dept. of Germanic and Slavic Langs. University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Telephone: Office: (706) 542-2450; Home: (706) 549-2831 E-Mail: MGOOZE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU