WMST-L LOG9406D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:37:15 MET-1 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ronald Camstra Subject: CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND CALL FOR PAPERS CALL FOR PAPERS and CONFERENCE INFORMATION BUILDING IDENTITIES. GENDER PERSPECTIVES ON CHILDREN AND URBAN SPACE AMSTERDAM 11-13 APRIL 1995 On the initiative of the Gender Studies Department of the Royal Dutch Geographical Society the Conference is organised by Stichting Geography and Gender Drs. Gerda van der Straaten (President) Dr. Ir. Lia Karsten (Secretary) Drs. Tom Verhoek (Treasurer) Preparatory Committee Dr. Ir. Lia Karsten (President) Drs. Marleen Nolten (member) Drs. Irene Tom (Secretary) Conference Management Stichting Brekend Vaatwerk Else Rose Kuiper Conference Advisory Committee Prof. dr. Theo Beckers (Department of Leisure Studies, Catholic University of Brabant) Prof. dr. Rob van Engelsdorp Gastelaars (Department of Human Geography, University of Amsterdam) Trudy Elsenaar-Tysze (Royal Dutch Geographical Society, KNAG) Ir. Sybolt Meindertsma (Play Environments Design, Amsterdam) Prof. dr. Joyce Outshoorn (Department of Women Studies, Leiden State University) Drs. Dorine Plantenga (The Women and Autonomy Centre/VENA, Leiden) Drs. Maartje van Putten (Member European Parliament) Drs. Jose Rijnen (International Association for the Child's Right to Play) Drs. Thea Beckmann (Social psychologist, author children's literature) Prof. dr. Joke Schrijvers (Institute for Development Research Amsterdam/INDRA) Prof. dr. Henriette Verduin-Mueller (Emerita, Department of Human Geography, Utrecht State University) Dr. Erin Wagenaar (Institute of Pedagogical Sciences, University of Amsterdam) Language The language of the conference is English. Location The conference will take place at the premises of the University of Amsterdam in the centre of Amsterdam. Correspondence: Stg. Geography and Gender P.O.Box 16625 NL-1001 RC Amsterdam The Netherlands; fax: ++31.20.638.46.08 (N.B. No e-mail please ) BUILDING IDENTITIES GENDER PERSPECTIVES ON CHILDREN AND URBAN SPACE Children need space and space shapes children. Children live, play, work, learn, move, travel. Children use space and consequently have their wishes and demands as to the space around them. Spatial environment can either stimulate children or actually discourage them from exploring their own streets, suburbs, cities. The built environment offers opportunities but also lays down restrictions: it is the stuff that both daydreams and nightmares are made of. Although spatial environments are of fundamental importance to the quality of life of children, surprisingly little is known about child-space relations. Scientific research into this subject is rare. Neither designers, nor policy makers pay much attention to children. With this conference we want to highlight the important role of space in the development of children, and to advocate wider recog- nition of this issue both in science and in its practical applications. We focus on children between 0 and 16 years old. Space is a comprehensive concept. We have restricted the subject of the conference to children and their urban environment from mega- cities to market towns and from upmarket residencies to slums in the western as well as in the Third World. In an urban environment conflicts about the use of space manifest themselves most clearly and the interests of children are most at risk. This conference will draw attention towards gender perspectives. Access to space, and stimulation to explore the environment are different for girls and boys. These differences are apparent at an early age and help to shape gender identity. By demanding more attention for gender perspectives on children and urban space, we want to create a better understanding of the influence of spatial environment on the growing-up of girls and boys. Of course, there are many other differences between children: e.g. ethnic background, social and economic class, which may be taken into account. Papers which relate these differences to gender will be included. With this conference we want to attract social scientists, policy makers, designers and members of organisations who are active in the field of children, gender and/or space. They are invited to attend the conference, to participate in the discussions and to submit papers. Please bring this conference to the attention of your colleagues and anyone else who might be interested. Announcement booklets can be obtained at the address mentioned at the end. Please feel free to make copies. The Preparatory Committee Amsterdam, 15 June 1994 Preliminary Programme Tuesday 11 April 1995 15.00 - 17.00 Registration and drinks 18.00 - 20.00 Welcome dinner for participants and special guests 20.00 - 21.30 Opening Speeches (plenary session) 'A-Where-ness of Children and Gender', why children have so little attention in the field; aim and themes of the conference, by the President of the Preparatory Committee, Lia Karsten, Department of Human Geography, University of Amsterdam. 'Gender Play in Spatial Context: Schoolyards and School Spaces as a stage', how children use space, shape social relations and build their identities, with special attention to those who undermine conven- tional genderbuilding by Barrie Thorne (University of Southern California, Los Angeles) Wednesday 12 April 1995 9.30 - 10.30 Two parallel sessions 'Streetlife for Girls: Their Struggle for Space', how girls claim space and how they cope with conflicting demands of the surrounding society by Ana Vasconcelos, projectcoordinator of "Casa de Passagem" in Recife, Brazil 'New Challenges for Local Authorities', urban policies on children's spatial behaviour in a gender and ethnic differentiated setting. 10.45-11.45 Workshops 12.00-13.00 Workshops 13.00-14.00 Lunch 14.00 -15.00 Two parallel sessions 'Crossing Boundaries: spatial mobility of children and changes in supporting networks', about children's migration, especially refugees. 'Use of urban space: a gain for knowledge', how knowledge interferes with moving and exploring the environment. 15.15-16.15 Workshops 16.30-17.30 Workshops 20.00 - Festive evening Thursday 13 April 1995 9.30-10.30 Plenary session 'The translation of children's needs by and for children' from a western, non-western and educational point of view 10.45-11.45 Workshops and excursions 12.00-13.00 Workshops 13.00-14.00 Lunch 14.00-15.30 Presentations. Exhibitions and posters on the con ference subject. 15.30-17.30 Public Panel Debate 'Gender at play' What will be the result when we keep children's spa tial needs in mind? What perspectives do we expect from gender? How to effectuate these ideas? 18.00 - Reception offered by the University of Amsterdam and the City of Amsterdam There will be 6 to 8 workshops at the same time. On Thursday morning some excursions will take place. More information will be available at a later stage. Subscribing for the workshops and the excursions will take place during registering at the beginning of the con- ference. The report of the conference will be published shortly after the conference. The conference is only accessible for participants, except from the prsentations and debate on Thursday afternoon (from 14.00 hrs. onwards), which are open to a wider public. CALL FOR PAPERS The presentation of papers in workshops play an important role in the conference. Papers from the Western and The Non-Western world are invited and will be selected on the basis of abstracts at the advice of an international committee of specialists. ABSTRACTS must be submitted BEFORE 15 SEPTEMBER 1994. You will be notified about acceptance before 15 november 1994. FINAL PAPERS should be submitted BEFORE 1 MARCH 1995. Abstracts are the basis for selection, but they will also be used to inform the participants. As a preparation to the conference, par- ticipants will receive a book of abstracts programmed in advance. Remarks concerning ABSTRACTS: * Abstracts should be limited to 500 words. * Please type the title and name of the author(s) above your abstract and underline the presenting author * Abstracts will be printed as camera-ready copies. Any correc- tions or errors will appear on the printed abstracts. Please take this into account * Please use a word processor or typewriter with a clear typeface (a carbon ribbon is preferred), you can also send in disks, however only in Word Perfect 5.1; no e-mail entries accepted. * For the submission of abstracts it is necessary to fill in and enclose the submission form, to be found at the back of this booklet. Remarks concerning PAPERS: * Papers are limited to 20 pages, including notes, line spacing 1.5 * Selected papers will be presented in workshops * Two copies of the paper in writing should be sent to the con- ference management. * Audiovisual equipment is available only to a limited extent. When submitting your paper, please indicate your wishes in this regard. * During the conference your paper will be used as camera-ready copies. They will be multiplied and sold at costprice. * Papers should be mailed; faxed or E-mail entries are not taken into consideration. The preparatory Committee is planning to publish a book with contri- butions. When you submit your final paper, please indicate if you do not want your paper to be considered for publication. Language The language of the conference is English. All abstracts and papers must be written in English. General Information Organisation and support The conference takes place under the supervision of the Stichting Gender and Geography which establishes conferences to encourage a gender view on geography related topics. In this conference Child- ren's Space is the central topic. The Preparatory Committee coope- rates with the Conference Advisory Committee on the conference proceedings. The Preparatory Committee is also supported by the Department of Human Geography of the Faculty of Environmental Sciences of the University of Amsterdam, the Royal Dutch Geograp- hical Society, the Institute of Development Research Amsterdam (INDRA), and the Women and Autonomy Centre (VENA). The conference is organised by Stichting Brekend Vaatwerk. Grants: For this conference so far grants have been received from: * the City of Amsterdam * Department of Human Geography, Faculty of Environmental Sciences University of Amsterdam * Stichting IKEA Foundation Admittance to the conference Some 200 participants can attend the conference from Tuesday 11 April until Thursday 13 April 1995. Authors of programmed papers will be admitted first. Some 80 papers can be discussed. As a result of this, only a limited number of people who did not submit a paper can be admitted. Therefore it is important to register early. Conference Fee The conference fee is Dfl. 250.00 for people in The Netherlands and for people from elsewhere Dfl. 300.00. The fee of Dfl. 300.00 covers extra costs of communication, remittance and costs of exchange rates. Ph.D. students and students pay Dfl. 150.00. The fee includes admission to the conference, the book of abstracts, the welcome dinner and the reception afterwards, the luncheons on Wednesday and Thursday, the entrance fee of the debate on Thursday, and the report. Payment of the fee is required after the confirmation of the par- ticipation. Written cancellations before 1 March 1995 will be refunded, minus an administrative fee of Dfl. 100.00. After this date no refunds can be made. Bank accounts: VSB Bank Netherlands, account# 83.91.01.333; Postbank Netherlands, account# 69.31.321; referring to:" Stg. Geography & Gender Nwe Prinsengracht 130 Amsterdam" Access to excursions and the festive evening The entrance fee for the excursions and the festive evening are not included in the conference fee. The ticket for the festive evening will be approximately Dfl. 25.00. You will be informed about the excursions and the festive evening after the confirmation of your participation. Registration and accommodation A registration form can be obtained by the address mentioned below. Given notice before 1 March 1995 the Conference Management can guarantee accommodation. Childcare Daycare for children is possible at your own expense. Please apply for this before 1 March 1995. DEADLINES Abstracts and papers: ABSTRACTS must be submitted BEFORE 15 SEPTEMBER 1994 You will be notified about acceptance before 15 November 1994 Full papers must be submitted before 1 March 1995 Registration: Register as soon as possible. Confirmation of participation: to be expected from the beginning of December 1994. Accommodation: Given notice before 1 March 1995 the Conference Management can guarantee accommodation. Location: The conference will take place at the premises of the University of Amsterdam in the centre of Amsterdam. They can be reached easily by public transport. Specific information will be given after the confirmation of your participation. Detailed information about the Conference and its contents can be obtained by ordering the Conference booklet on the following ad- dress: By mail: Stg. Geography and Gender Postbus 16625 NL-1001 RC Amsterdam The Netherlands By telefax: (**).31.20.638.46.08 Please, no E-mail correspondence. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:23:34 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Bixby Subject: ? on attachment display At our informal gathering at NWSA in Ames last week, I asked if anyone else had the problem I do with attachments within the digests. I'd like to ask the list members the same question. When I open the attachment with the digested items,I get a message at the bottom of the screen that says the attachment is too long to be displayed. I can scroll down several screens, but then it stops completely. All I can do is down load to a disk, which is awkward and time consuming. I might store things and then never get back to them or delete the message in frustration without being able to read the whole thing. I have been told by one computer person here that that is how the system works (we use Banyan mail) and it is true for all systems. What are your experiences and what are the "right" or most useful questions I can ask the computer people here to get this solved? Please respond privately. Thank you. ****************************************** Prof. Barbara R. Bixby Dept. of Political Science Carthage College 2001 Alford Dr. Kenosha, WI 53140 (414) 551-5805 brb@cns.carthage.edu *************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 08:50:00 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Pauline Gold Subject: RETALIATION BY UCLA ADMIN. Since I'm already experiencing****ADMINISTRATIVE RETALIATION FOR MY "OVERUSE" OF E-MAIL****, (COMBINED WITH MY EEOC CHARGES LISTING HARASSMENT, DISCRIMINATION, ETC.) and since I've also somehow mysteriously had my "nomail" status changed so that I'm now receiving mail again--I must regretfully request that you: PLEASE RE-CREATE MY "NOMAIL" STATUS. Thanks. This is my second request. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:15:32 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: char davidson Subject: Re: ru486 In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:24:11 -0400 from i, too, would like to know more about how ru486 works and particulary if a women has to have a d and c afterwards. i think most of the stress related to abortion comes from the fear of the surgical procedure. i think that i read somewhere (or someone told me) that most women do not need d and c's if they use ru486. i would also like to know the length of the procedure and if women experience any physical pain. personally, i resent the fact that women still have to go to abortion clinics, set there for about 4 to 6 hours with other women who are scared and emotionall y upset...worrying about people seeing us or anti-choice protestors harrassing. us, when we could just go to the doctor and get a prescription...that is if our government would let us. abortion is a difficult decision for most people its never easy to make. but we should be allowed to make it and i feel like our government should make it easier for us once we make the choice. sorry for being an angry youth...but i just wanted to have my say. oh, by the way any info on ru486 would be great. thanks. char crd100g@oduvm.cc.odu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:40:00 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karen Kidd Subject: Re: ru486 Although RU486 is sometimes presented as something of a miracle drug, there has been some debate about its safety. If you want to consider the "down- side," look for articles by Janice Raymond (whose feminist credentials are excellent). -- Karen Kidd KKidd@rocky.claremont.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:54:53 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Brenda Brasher Subject: Re: ru486 In-Reply-To: <199406221614.JAA08320@chaph.usc.edu> from "char davidson" at Jun 22, 94 11:15:32 am I missed the original post on this, so if someone's already mentioned this article, mea culpa...however, there was a good summary article of the arguments on ru486 inn the march/april 1993 issue of _Ms._ Brenda E. Brasher University of Southern California brasher@chaph.usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:31:15 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: David Greene Subject: Femmage A colleague of mine is looking for a reference for the term "femmage" (relates to the use of collage in feminist art). He thinks that he saw it in an issue of "Herstory". Please reply privately to dgreene@ultrix.ramapo.edu (I've got WMST-L on nomail while I'm away) Thanx; David ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:56:31 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Theresa <60840883@WSUVM1.BITNET> Subject: Patriarchy Hello. I am writing to let those who requested a condensed version of the re- cent discussion of the term "patriarchy" know that it is now available from me on request. I was not able to spend time really condensing--I took out address headers and accidental repeats. Anyway, I am sending a few people copies as they requested, but if anyone else is interested, please write me privately. Oh and it is worth mentioning that Gerda Lerner's suggestion that I read her def- inition in _The Creation of Patriarchy_ was very helpful to me. I am using it now in my dissertation, and just want to pass on that tidbit. Also, thanks to you Gerda. Theresa Thompson 60840883@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 18:27:10 ECT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Pat Washington Subject: Re: hair In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:43:05 -0400 from Are there any resources I could read that discuss the practice of Orthodox Jewish women shaving their heads before marriage? Thanks Pat Washington ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:41:30 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tamara Felden Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Subject: Looking for references of Anna Rasmus, "The Nasty Girl" ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:30:33 CDT Send reply to: Holocaust List From: ____Textpert Alert____ Subject: Looking for references of Anna Rasmus, "The Nasty Girl" To: Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS I thought that Wiggies might be able to help with this. And to expand the request: I am involved in teaching a year-long interdisciplinary program for first-year students that focuses on ethnic hatred and would be very interested to invite Anna Rasmus to our campus if she can be located. So, any information as to her whereabouts would be greatly appreciated. Have a great summer! on Some time ago I saw a (60 Minutes?) TV item about Anna Rasmus[?], once an ordinary German high-school girl, who set out to write a term paper on how her home town, I think it was Passau, acted during the Nazi era. Acc. to the local lore, undocumented but prevailing, the town was a hotbed of resistance against Hitler etc. What she found was of course nothing of the sort, quite to the contrary: one of the first municipalities to support Hitler in the thirties, euthanasia being performed in a clinic of a respected "family" doctor, attempts to deny once existence of Jews in the city etc. In time she acquired a nickname "The Nasty Girl" which I believe sounds even more juicy in Teutonic. The TV program refered to a TIME article, and other materials. Anna Rasmus is now working for a doctorate in history in the US. I wonder if someone could point me to articles, a book, maybe a WorldWideWeb page on the subject of A Rasmus' experience and the story behind? Thanks! __Ian Tamara Felden Department of German Augustana College, Illinois (309) 794-7365 FAX (309) 788-6457 Internet GMFELDEN@AUGUSTANA.EDU Bitnet TFELDEN@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 21:35:52 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: Looking for references of Anna Rasmus, "The Nasty Girl" In-Reply-To: note of 06/22/94 20:41 Since you don't mention it in your message, I'm wondering if you might not know about the wonderful film made of Anna Rasums's experiences and called "The Nasty Girl" in English. There's a review of it on the WMST-L film filelist. Linda ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:23:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: U.S. Tech Corps (fwd) This may be of interest to any wizards on the list, or to those who know something about the different ways in which boys & girls deal with computers that should be added to the discussion below. Please reply to the person(s) listed on the forwarded message. Patrice McDermott patricem@cap.gwu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:12:30 -0400 From: ustech@cw.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: U.S. Tech Corps Please post the following statement as widely as possible. Thanks in advance for your assistance, and apologies if not appropriate for your readership. --------------------- STATEMENT BEGIN -------------------------- TO: All computer professionals FROM: Gary Beach, Publisher, Computerworld DATE: June 16, 1994 RE: U.S. Tech Corps Computerworld, the national computer newspaper, is working with the White House Office of Science and Technology to develop the U.S. Tech Corps, a volunteer effort to aid local schools in technology implementation. As we develop this program, we are seeking comments from a variety computer technologists, business leaders, and government officials. Our overriding question is, "Will the 1.9 million U.S. computer professionals respond to this effort?" I hope you'll take a moment or two to read the following statement. Then, send me your comments about how the U.S. Tech Corps can be made to work for the future of our public schools. Thanks very much. Gary J. Beach Publisher Computerworld ustech@cw.com Anyone who has written code, maintained a network, or planned a company information system knows that implementation is everything. Surprisingly, so do thousands of U.S. school teachers and administrators. Throughout the U.S., our schools say that a shortage of technical talent is their largest obstacle in moving the "information superhighway" from vision to reality. Their tight budgets and a dire shortage of technical skills stand in the way of implementing technology where it is most needed: the local classroom. A solution may be in sight. Computerworld, the national newspaper of information systems management, is working jointly with the White House Office of Science and Technology to develop the U.S. Tech Corp. Modeled on the U.S. Peace Corps, the U.S. Tech Corps will rally the talents and skills of more than 1.9 million computer professionals to assist public schools in planning and implementing information technology. Through contributions of their time and expertise, these volunteers will play an integral and crucial role in building local roads to the national information superhighway. Even an hour a week of discussion and planning can help your local school. The U.S. Tech Corps will be operated with assistance from the White House, the National Education Association, and the National Association of School Administrators. Volunteers will receive a U.S. Tech Corps certificate signed by the President, as well as local recognition. Of course, the greatest reward may be the satisfaction gained from contributing your valuable skills to the future of our school children. [Action Items: What else is needed? Do you think that your fellow computer professionals will respond favorably or unfavorably to this proposal? How might the U.S. Tech Corp be made to work?] I look forward to receiving your comments at ustech@cw.com. ------------------- STATEMENT END -------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 21:27:09 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurie Perkins Subject: Re: ru486 In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:24:11 -0400 from Diane, I don't know anything about obtaining RU486 illegally. But, if you don't get any response right away on the 'net perhaps I can find out something about how soon the FDA expects to OK it for the U.S. I seem to remember filing a clipping about that in the local NARAL files. I should be in the NARAL office tomorrow night and I will try to find something Good Luck, Laurie C34870LP@WUVMD ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 21:51:35 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Alexander Freund Subject: Re: 2 queries--bell hooks and feminist biography In-Reply-To: <199406220248.WAA08862@holmes.umd.edu> from "Marilyn Edelstein" at Jun 21, 94 07:49:22 pm Marilyn, regarding work on biography from a feminist perspective, there are two essay collections I know of: Personal Narratives Group (ed.), _Interpreting Women's Lives. Feminist Theory and Personal Narratives_ (Bloomington and Indianapolis: indiana University PRess, 1989) this collection had articles dealing with biographies, auto- biographies and life-stories and grew out of a conference at the University of Minnesota. The second collection deals mainly with autobiography: Bella Brodzki and Celeste Schenk (eds), _Life/Lines. Theorizing Women's Autobiography_ (Ithaca and London: Cornell University PRess, 1988) Hope this helps Alexander Freund freund@sfu.ca Dept. of history Simon Fraser University ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 00:24:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Stuber Subject: Orthodox Jewish women do NOT shave their heads I spoke with a very fundamentalist Orhtodox rabbi today to confirm. Orthodox Jewish Women do NOT SHAVE their heads. They wear a hair convering often a wig in the US because a woman's hair is her shining glory and would tempt a man ... so outside of the home, among strangers, etc., her hair is covered. The wife of a "rebbi" very honored in MEmphis has long red hair to the middle of her back but either wears a scarf or a wig when going out. Sources would be any book about the Jewish religion or a telephone call to a Jewish temple or synagogue. irenestuber@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:13:54 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: Shelley Hornstein Subject: Femmage In-Reply-To: note of 06/22/94 18:33 I believe that Miriam Schapiro was the first to coin "femmage"... Shelley Hornstein York University, Toronto ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:22:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shauna Lee Manning Subject: ru486 I recently read (within the past month) from a medical source that ru486 is not without medical complications. RU486 is not the easy painless abortifacient that many believe it to be. (Indeed, it seems that what irks the pro-lifers the most is that there may be a quick and painless method of abortion). RU486 causes SEVERE cramping and pain--in fact, some women say that the surgical procedure of abortion is less painful and traumatic. RU486 requires medical supervision to insure that uterus expels all of its contents as well as to see that the woman does not go into shock or suffer other adverse reactions to the medication. Unfortunately, there seems to be widespread misinformation that RU486 is a pill that can be conveniently taken at home and a pregnancy terminated painlessly overnight. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:27:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "L.L. Locher" Subject: Position Opening for Sexual Assault Educator James Madison University invites applications for the position of university Sexual Assault Education Coordinator. Responsibilities include coordinating, promoting, and publicizing sexual assault education services and information to the university community. This person will act as a resource person and training consultant to students, faculty and staff. Qualifications include a masters degree in counseling or a related field, and training and/or experience in sexual assault prevention, intervention and community education. Eligibility for licensure as a counselor and experience with college students preferred. The position reports to the director of Counseling and Student Development. Application review begins July 27. Send letter of interest, vita and three letters of recommendation to: Search Committee, Counseling and Student Development Center, 200 Alumnae Hall, James Madison University, Harrisonburg, VA 22807. EEO/AA employer and especially encourages applications fronm minorities, women and persons with disabilities. Linda Locher CSD_LLOCHER@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:41:03 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine James Subject: Re: ru486 In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:22:18 EDT from I have been following the discussion of ru486 with great interest, because the college I attended (Northwestern '93) made ru486 available through the university health service. As I understood it, the drug was administered legally (I'm not clear on why this was so, the story was that since NU is a private school it could bend the rules). Getting ru486 was a rather sticky and oppressive process: on your "morning after" you could go to the gynecology nurse practitioners at the Searle Student Health Service Building for an interview. After it was determined that you had a "valid need" for the treat- ment, you would be given two pills, one to be taken immediately and the second 48 hours later. You would be told to expect nausea, severe cramping, and bleeding. After the second pill, you would return for a complete examination. This whole process would only be allowed to you twice. ("If you get in this situation three times, you'll be on your own.") This process was originally explained to me by one of the gynecology nurse practitioners at Searle when I was a sophomore, and I was never told to keep it under my hat in any way. Does anyone else on a list work at a university with a similar ru486 policy? Thanks, Christine James cjames@ukcc.uky.edu P.S. Hope this is appropriate for the list rather than private email. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:12:33 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GILLIAN RODGER Subject: Re: Looking for references of Anna Rasmus, "The Nasty Girl" There is a film, available on video (we found it at Blockbuster so it must be pretty widely available), also called the Nasty Girl which details the process through which Anna discovered the history of her town. It is in German with subtitles but is well worth watching. Gillian Rodger Music Dept. University of Pittsburgh gmrst8@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:07:09 -0700 Reply-To: Martha Mar Caminero-Santangelo Sender: Women's Studies List From: Martha Mar Caminero-Santangelo Subject: Ru486 and the "morning after" pill In-Reply-To: <199406231440.KAA21699@holmes.umd.edu> Forgive my ignorance on the matter, but isn't the "morning after" pill different than Ru486? At both Yale and UC Irvine, there was/is a pill you could take on the morning after sex if you felt you were at risk of getting pregnant. I have no idea what this pill actually was, but it SOUNDS very different from Ru486, which presumably you can take well into pregnancy. Might this be the pill that was administered at Northwestern? Does anyone know anything more "scientific" about it? Marta Caminero-Santangelo eahg267@orion.oac.uci.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:13:02 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eeyore Subject: separatism ? Hello, My name is Tanya and I am a senior at RPI. I am currently working on a paper concerning the many opinions and theories of separatism. I know that there are sub-topics of separation and lesbian separatism but I can not find enough information. I went to the RPI library but this college has been a technological school and male dominating one for many years (4:1 men). If Someone could please suggest authors or resources where I might be able to get more information, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks, Tanya Moy moyt@rpi.edu *PS- I am looking for some information on male separatism too. Please feel free to email me privately if this subject has been covered before. I am new to the list. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah B Stevens Subject: Re: Orthodox Jewish women do NOT shave their heads In-Reply-To: <199406230453.AAA18591@holmes.umd.edu> from "Irene Stuber" at Jun 23, 94 00:24:51 am Sorry...an Orthodox rabbi from New York tells me they do shave their heads! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:46:02 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Price Herndl Subject: Re: feminist biography In-Reply-To: <199406220345.XAA09331@holmes.umd.edu> You might try looking in the journal _A/B: auto/biography_ for some material on feminist biography. Our library doesn't carry it (or else I'd be more helpful), but I have run across it a couple of times--it looks interesting. Diane Price Herndl NMSU dpherndl@nmsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:23:31 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jace Condravy Subject: Citation Help I am anticipating teaching my first mixed sex intro. to women's studies course in the fall and ran across a reference to an article by P. Mahoney (1986) titled, "Boys will be boys: Teaching women's studies in mixed sex groups" in Women's Studies International Forum, vol. 3, 331- 334. Sounds like it would be helpful, but apparently the citation is incorrect (vol. 3 is not 1986; vol. 9 which is 1986 does not contain the article on p. 331). Does anyone have the accurate citation? Also, any- one care to offer any suggestions for teaching the intro. course to mixed groups? I've taught the course only once so far to a group of twenty-three relatively open-minded, enthusiastic young women. I'd welcome any and all suggestions. Please respond privately. Thanks in advance for your help. Jace Condravy jcc@sru jcc@sruvm.sru.edu --- Jace Condravy Internet: jcc@sruvm.sru.edu Academic Support Services Dept. BITNET: jcc@sru Slippery Rock University Phone: (412) 738-2623 Slippery Rock, Pa. 16057 FAX: (412) 738-2098 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:37:11 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Marie A. Kopin" Subject: battered women I would appreciate information on a consultative format model to work with a group of women who have been battered in a short term workshop type program. Would also like to get ideas for prevention of battering with college woman groups. Thank Much, Sister Marie Kopin mak5g@Virginia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:45:07 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Women's Studies Correspondence Subject: Job Announcement: Women's Center, University of Oregon DIRECTOR, WOMEN'S CENTER, UNIVERSITY OF OREGON The director of the newly restructured University of Oregon Women's Center will manage, organize, and oversee all aspects of the center. Responsibilities include initiating, supervising, and implementing educational programs that facilitate the articulation of women's issues, collaborating with students to develop programs, and providing advocacy and direct services to students, faculty, and community members. Bachelor's degree required (advanced degree preferred). Strong listening, nurturing, and communication skills, and experience in administration, supervision, and program management are desired. Complete job information is available upon request. Telephone (503) 346-1133, fax to (503) 346-5811, or write to: Sho Shigeoka, Office of the Dean of Students, 5216 University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-5216. Review of applications will begin July 19, 1994, and will continue until a sufficient pool of qualified applicants is obtained or until the position is filled. The University of Oregon is an EO/AA institution committed to cultural diversity and compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:26:58 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Debbie Anderson Subject: Re: fairy tales In-Reply-To: <199406140531.BAA17891@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Stacey Michele Horstmann" at Jun 14, 94 1:25 am I have a request about fairy tales that I hope someone can help me out with. We have just started to read to my 2 year old daughter at bedtime and unfortunately at the present time we are stuck with the traditional tellings of these tales. I can for the most part changes things on the fly to reflect a less sexist attitude, but that can be hard to do when you are tired at night! Any suggestions of re-tellings of these tales in a less sexist framework would be greatly appreciated. I have heard of a feminist version of Mother Goose, but I do not remember the name of that book. Thanks in advance and please respond privately. Debbie danderso@ccs.carleton.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:04:14 LCL Reply-To: RGINZBERG@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Not RU486 The so-called "morning after pill" is diethylsilbesterol, DES. A synthetic estrogen. The same stuff that wreaked havoc on the daughters of women who took it during pregnancy in the 50's. It causes spontaneous abortion a lot of the time when given after fertilization & before implantation. When it DOESN'T cause "spontaneous" abortion, the pregnant woman who has already taken it MUST get another kind of abortion -- because the embryo has now been exposed to massive doses of DES, & should not be carried to term. I know my college health center had this available already 20 years ago. It is not the same thing as RU486. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:10:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 2 new files: madness and fairy tales I have just added two new files to the WMST-L filelist. One is a collection of suggested readings on women and madness offered on WMST-L last month in response to a request from Diane Maluso. Diane thoughtfully compiled a list of the titles; they begin the file (thanks, Diane!). The actual messages follow Diane's list for those who want more than just titles. The file is called MADNESS WOMEN . The other file is a collection of responses to the query earlier this month about feminist interpretations/discussions of fairy tales. That file is called FAIRYTAL FEMINTRP . To get both files, send the following two-line message to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet) or LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet): GET MADNESS WOMEN WMST-L GET FAIRYTAL FEMINTRP WMST-L To get a list of all the available files, add a third line that says INDEX WMST-L . Be sure to send these commands to LISTSERV, not WMST-L. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:18:18 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: for Jennifer O'Neal Subject: Re: fairy tales I believe there is a book entitled "Father Goose" that is supposed to be less sexist. I have not personally read it so I do not know for sure. You might try calling a femenist bookstore in your area. Ours carries several different feminist fairy tales. Jennifer onealj@ccs.ccvax.csus.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:31:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Lanser Subject: Re: 2 new files: madness and fairy tales In-Reply-To: KORENMAN AT UMBC.BITNET -- Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:10:00 EDT I have been interested in the inquiries about feminist renditions of folk and fairy tales. I have one question: Why re-write the period tales at all? Why not simply write tales that portray women in their historic and contemporary contexts to reflect current feminist sensibility?--mary lanser ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:03:23 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: MORNING AFTER PILL It is my understanding that the "morning after pill" is different from ru486. The morning after pill is a very high dosage of birth control pills (about 5) that must be taken within 72 hours after the event that might have caused pregnancy. Hence, a woman doesn't know if she is pregnant, but something happened (for ex: a condom broke) and she thinks conception may have occurred. The long term effects of taking such a high dosage of BC pills is unknown and should be avoided if at all possible. This is not illegal, because BC pills are not illegal. However, BC pills were not meant to be taken this way, but someone figured out that doing this would induce menstruation. ru486 is a "drug cocktail" that must be taken within 12 weeks of conception. It consists of 2 drugs (one of which is also used to induce labor). Again, the long-term effects are unknown. As someone mentioned,it can cause severe bleeding and cramping, and one woman in France has died from this. Personally, I worry that if and when ru486 is approved, fewer abortion providers will be available. Since ru486 must be taken within 12 weeks of conception, this requires that a) you know you are pregnant or must admit that you are pregnant b) you have a place to go and money for it. This requires 2 doctor visits. Personally, I think the antis will simply begin to picket and harass the doctors who dispense ru486. Christine Smith csmith@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:08:20 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Myra Dinnerstein Subject: Re: fairy tales The title of the book is Father Gander. Myra Dinnerstein University of arizona myrad@ccit.arizona.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:02:56 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Martha Mar Caminero-Santangelo Subject: Why rewrite fairy tales In-Reply-To: <199406232032.QAA25698@holmes.umd.edu> Why did Jean Rhys decide to rewrite JANE EYRE from the "madwoman's" point of view? Why have so many women writers attempted to rewrite misogynist myths? I think rewriting of powerful stories which enact violence to women through their representations can expose that violence for what it is. They can thus be a powerful feminist tool, by increasing awareness of how those original representations worked. Of course fairy tales are a special case, since they have an audience primarily of children; but from a gut level I suppose I feel that children are eventually going to herar the original version anyway; it would be nice if, instead of simply accepting it (along with its less sexist counterparts) at face value, the children had already heard a different version, and could say, "No, that's not right!" Marta Caminero-Santangelo eahg267@orion.oac.uci.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:10:12 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dana WATANABE Subject: A little Humourous tid bit in the Times In-Reply-To: <199406231927.PAA24848@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Debbie Anderson" at Jun 23, 94 3:26 pm THis was in the humour column of the LA Times on Monday ______________________ DEBORAH GALES SPECIAL TO THE TIMES In the beginning God created heaven and earth. He filled his sky with sparkling stars, planted the soil into a luscious garden and inhabited the land with beautiful animals. And this was good. Then he made man. God stared at his creation with curiosity. "I know the flowers add beauty and birds have the gift of song, I wonder what you have to offer." So God in his infinite wisdom tested man. He asked man to locate the nearest refrigerator and bring back the jar of mustard. Desperately wanting to please God, man set out immediately on his quest. Days later, God found man standing in front of the white box crying in anguish, begging for mercy "I am merely a man. Provide a wife for me and then I will be able to serve you." God covered his eyes and wept. He realized his creation was flawed and decided to cut his losses "I think you will be food for work and for wars, but that's about it." So God banished man unto the desert to seek both. God decided to try again and created woman. And she was good. This mortal appeared so remarkably gifted that God decided to let her deal with the rest of life. On the first day, God tested woman's bravery. He thought long and hard about what would try her courage. ("What sensation can I create that combines excruciating pain with 18 years of ingratitude and back talk?" ) Which is how he came up with giving birth. And this was good. And there was evening and there was morning. On the second day, he wanted to assess her sense of charity. So he gave her in-laws who referred to her as their son's present wife; he blessed her with stepchildren whose mantra is "try and make me do it"; and he sent her plumbers who showed up five hours late without; the right part to fix the overflowing toilet. And it was so. And there was evening and there was morning. The third day was the moment of truth. No creation was worth her salt without a sense of humour. So when God gave her children who had only full-blown-drop-on-the-floor-beating-head-to-a-pulp-type tantrums in large public places, he was pleased to hear a giggle. When he gave her the family dogs whose bladder problems coincided with installation of her new carpet, he heard her chuckle. But it was not until he popped cellulite on her that he heard her laugh so hard it sounded like crying. And there was evening and there was morning. On the fourth day, God said: "I want to see how clever woman is. I'll create a tasteless barnyard animal and see how many different ways she can cook it; I'll make the family's paycheck not quite enough to cover the bills, and let's see if she can find the one store in America that sells Mighty Morphin Power Rangers during Christmas." ( God was on a roll.) This day frustrated her. And there was evening and there was morning. On the fifth day, God tested her patience. (He should have given her a whole month.) Between her husband refusing to ask for directions when they ended up in the middle of nowhere, to parents greeting her with "it's been so long I hardly recognize you," to children asking "are we there yet?" at 30-second intervals on a cross-country drive, to being told by her doctor that menopause is a state of mind, to refraining from losing it totally when her dinner partner conscendingly says: "So, you don't work." This morning and evening went on and on. God was running out of ideas. So on the sixth day, he told her to join man in the work force, earn half as much for twice the effort, and come home to attention - starved children, laundry piles and a note from her husband saying: "There's something I have to tell you." On the seventh day, woman collapsed. And you wondered why God is referred to as _him_. ___________ , dana "What does the color blue taste like? Bobo knows." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 20:13:46 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marcy Plunkett Subject: U.S. Tech Corps (fwd) Isn't this interesting? Tripod-related. M ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 20:16:24 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marcy Plunkett Subject: Re: ru486 I apologize for my former message. It was sent in error - Marcy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:11:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 1 CFP, 4 jobs The following five announcements may be of interest to WMST-L subscribers: 1) CFP: Exploring Illegitimacy (PCA) 2) Job: Director of Program for Women in Theology (Emory U.) 3) Job: Curator, Archives of Women in Science and Engineering 4) Job: Director of Stone Center (Wellesley College) 5) Job: Director of Women's Leadership Program (Wm Woods U.) For more information, please contact the people mentioned in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc) **************************************************************************** 1) EXPLORING ILLEGITIMACY Popular Culture Association Twenty-Fifth Annual Meeting April 12-15, 1995 Marriott Hotel, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Call for papers on Illegitimacy: Any submissions considered on literature, film, T.V., etc. (fiction or non-fiction) which explore some aspect of being born out of wedlock or having a child as an unmarried mother. Examples are: T.V. show Murphy Brown, the movie Angie; the movie The Piano biographies of Isadora Duncan; Oprah Winfrey's life story; etc. More topic ideas can be found in my new book Illegitimacy Empowered (Ide House, Las Colinas, April 1994: Vol. 76 Woman in History Series). Send Abstracts to: Jessica Lewis Watson PCA Area Chair for Exploring Illegitimacy 6801 Tennyson Dr. 231 Waco, TX 76710 Membership in PCA by conference time is required. Deadline: September 10, 1994 *************************************************************************** 2) Women's Programs/Theology: Faculty Position Area Specialty and Director of Programs for Women in Theology and Ministry. Candler School of Theology, Emory University invites applications for the position of the Director of Programs for Women in Theology and Ministry, for appointment at the beginning of the 1995-1996 academic year. This position is a faculty appointment with tenure or tenure track. The Director of Programs for Women in Theology and Ministry carries administrative responsibility for developing programs in relation to the professional and academic concerns of women. The Director is also responsible for connections with both the Women's Studies Program and the Women's Center of Emory University. The position includes both administrative and teaching responsibilities. Area of faculty appointment is open, with preference given to applicants whose teaching specialties also relate to the interests of women in theology and ministry. Ability to teach on both a master's and doctoral level is expected. Applicants should hold a Ph.D. in the area of their academic specialty. Experience with religious communities at both local and denominational level is expected. Persons wishing to be considered for this position should send a letter of application and complete dossier to Gail O'Day, Candler School of Theology, Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia 30322. Preference will be given to applications received with full documentation by October 3, 1994. Emory University is an Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Employer. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, June 22, 1994 ************************************************************************* 3) Curator: Archives of Women in Science and Engineering. Assistant Professor, or above dependent upon qualifications. The Iowa State University Special Collections Department seeks a curator for the Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, a subject-based manuscript collection initiated in 1993 to collect and preserve the papers of American women in science and engineering and the records of women's organizations, both regional and national, in these areas. The curator will be responsible for soliciting, arranging, and describing collections; for supervising student assistants in processing these collections; and for providing reference service to the collections. Reports to the Head of the Department of Special Collections. Contributes to departmental planning, budgeting, and policy and procedure development. Assists in promoting the resources of the department through exhibitions and presentations. Provides support as necessary in other areas of the department, including some reference service at the department's reference desk. In addition to the Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, the Special Collections Department includes the University Archives, the American Archives of the Factual Film, and four other subject-based archives collecting in the areas of agriculture and rural life, veterinary medicine, statistics, and the evolution/creation science debate. Qualifications Required: Position requires the completion of an ALA-accredited Master's degree with coursework in manuscripts curacy, archives administration, or appropriate equivalencies. Excellent organizational, oral and written communication, and interpersonal skills. Preferred: Background in one of the sciences or engineering, in the history of science or technology, or in women's studies. Familiarity with MARC AMC format and microcomputer applications. One or more years of manuscripts or archival experience in an academic or research setting; supervisory experience. Salary and Benefits: $28,000 minimum; final salary dependent upon qualifications; TIAA/CREF, medical benefits. Serving over 25,000 students, the Library provides electronic resources and access tools which complement nationally recognized print collections. Ames supports quality schools and outstanding cultural attractions and was recently recognized as one of the top ten areas of its size in the country. Application Deadline: Review of applications will begin August 22, 1994 and will continue until the position is filled. To apply: Submit letter, resume and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of three references to: Chair, Curator, Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, 302 Parks Library, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa 50011-2140. Iowa State University is an Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action Employer. Members of protected classes are encouraged to apply. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, June 22, 1994 *************************************************************************** 4) Director of Stone Center for Developmental Services and Studies Wellesley College invites nominations and applications for the position of Director of the Robert S. and Grace W. Stone Center. The Director provides intellectual and administrative leadership for the Center, which is dedicated to the prevention of psychological problems, the enhancement of psychological well-being, and the search for a more comprehensive understanding of women, children, and families across culturally diverse populations. The work of the Stone Center includes student counseling, research, theory building, training, education and action programs. Outstanding leadership qualities, vision, managerial skills, and a successful track record in fund raising are essential. This is a senior level position. Significant relevant experience required with an advanced degree in a related field. Position available Fall, 1994. Salary is negotiable and will be commensu-rate with experience. Letters of nomination and application, accompanied by a curriculum vitae, should be submitted by July 31st, 1994, to Mark Garth, Employment Specialist, Wellesley College, Wellesley, MA 02181. Wellesley College especially welcomes applications and nominations from ethnic minorities and women. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, June 22, 1994 *************************************************************************** 5) William Woods University Director of Women's Leadership Program William Woods University, a private women's university, seeks a director to implement the newly designed Women's Leadership Program. The program is structured to provide basic leadership education for all undergraduate students and intensive leadership development for a select group of 30 scholars. Starting date for the position is August 15, 1994. In coordination with other areas of the institution, the Director will develop and implement a means of infusing leadership issues into the curriculum, of coordinating service opportunities, and introducing cross-cultural experiences. Responsibilities include selecting Leadership Scholars, identifying alumnae leaders to conduct workshops and serve as mentors, and arranging leadership internships. The Director will also begin acquiring materials for the Women's Leadership Resource Center, and will represent the program to internal and external constituents. The position requires a Master's degree in an appropriate field or equivalent experience in a related program. Candidates should send a letter of application, resume, and names, addresses, and phone numbers of at least three references to Debra M. Hackmann, Vice President for Student Development, William Woods University, 200 West Twelfth Street, Fulton, Missouri 65251. WWU is an equal opportunity, affirmative action employer. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, June 22, 1994 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:49:07 -0500 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: humor and copyright I am writing to ask that people not post jokes, humorous tidbits, etc. on WMST-L. What may seem like a good idea when one person does it infrequently can easily become oppressive if, say, a mere 5% of the list's 2900+ subscribers (that's 145 people) decide to post such messages. We've discussed this matter in the past; I'm raising the issue NOT to encourage more discussion but rather to *discourage* a needless proliferation of messages. Also, please do not post ANY material (except short excerpts) taken from newspapers, magazines, and other media covered by copyright. Many thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Joan Korenman, WMST-L Listowner and Official Nag korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 22:47:47 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lori tomlinson Subject: RU-486 I'm certainly no expert, but I did do some research on RU-486 during the Fall of '92. This information may be dated, but I found sources (scholarly, medical, and popular) that said that RU-486 can be used as a "morning after" pill to prevent implantation. In addition, I found claims that RU-486 can be used as an estrogen-free, non-abortifacient method of contraception when taken several days a month to block ovulation, and that research was being conducted in the areas of treatment of infertility (resulting from endometriosis), breast cancer, uterine cancer, cushing's syndrome, hormone-dependent brain and breast tumors, diabetes, prostate problems, obesity, irregular periods, post-menopausal symptoms, stalled labor, and cesaerian sections using RU-486. I'm not promoting the use and development of RU-486, merely sharing what I have found . I'm about as confused and unsure about RU-486 as everyone else. Lori Tomlinson American Culture Studies Bowling Green State University ltomlin@andy.bgsu.edu not responsible for typos. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 20:12:58 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "H-State co-moderator E. Wayne Carp " Subject: NEWS: Announcing H-State, new H-Net list H-State, A List for Scholars of the welfare state, social welfare history, and policy history from H-NET H-State proposes to facilitate the exchange of scholarly information on the subjects of the welfare state, social welfare history, and policy history conceived as broadly as possible. H- State is especially interested in stimulating discussion about: -- recent work in history, political science, and sociology that has been responsible for "bringing the state back in" to analyses of the development of social welfare programs and policies relating to the political economy as a whole; -- such diverse topics as poor laws, benevolent societies, charities, settlement houses, reform schools, orphanages, the impact of welfare institutions on the lives of ordinary people (social control v. agency), the development of social work as a profession; and -- the evolution of public policies bearing on welfare -- workmen's compensation, mother's assistance, protective legislation for women and children, juvenile courts, housing reform, social security, medicare, the War on Poverty. Without chronological or disciplinary limitations, H-State seeks to enable scholars to easily communicate current research and research interests; to discuss new articles, books, papers, approaches, methods, and tools of analysis; to test new ideas, share comments, and tips on teaching. There are no geographical or chronological boundaries. H-STATE will: -- publish syllabi, outlines, handouts, bibliographies, listings of new sources and archives, and other teaching resources; -- post announcements on grants, conferences, fellowships and jobs; -- provide reports on new software, datasets, cd-roms, and on- line research tools Above all, H-STATE will try to promote the kinds of scholarly interchange that up to now were confined to professional conferences or small circles of friends. H-State will be published daily by H-NET using the mainframe computers of the University of Illinois, Chicago. It will co- moderated by professors E. Wayne Carp, Pacific Lutheran University, and Larry G. Gerber, Auburn University. An editorial board will advise the moderators, set policy, and adjudicate problems arising from the operation of the list. The moderators see it as their task to filter out extraneous postings (like requests for subscriptions) and items that do not belong on H-State. They may belong somewhere else, or in the moderators' judgment they do not aid the scholarly dialogue. The moderators propose to distribute only those messages which meet the standards of scholarly seriousness and reasonably good manners. Subscription is free of charge and all are welcome. Subscribers will automatically receive messages in their computer mailboxes. Messages can be saved, downloaded to a word processor, discarded, copied, printed out, or relayed to someone else. The list will be part of and draw support from H-NET, which publishes over 30 daily scholarly lists for humanists. Contributors to H-State give the limited right to redistribute their postings on the H-NET system, have them stored in H-NET files, logs, and gophers. Authors do not thereby surrender their copyright privileges. Any other reproduction of the text outside H-NET must have either the permission of the author or follow fair use practices. If you are interested in joining H-State, send this e-mail message to listserv@uicvm.uic.edu (Internet) or listserv@uicvm (Bitnet): Sub H-State First name Surname, School [i.e.: Sub H-State Leslie Jones, Southern Jersey U.] You will receive a brief questionnaire (name, address, teaching and research interests, special requests) and further instructions on how to subscribe, unsubscribe, receive messages in digest form, send postings to the list, and choose other e-mail options. H-State Co-Moderators: E. Wayne Carp, Associate Professor of History Pacific Lutheran University carpw@plu.edu Larry G. Gerber Associate Professor of History Auburn University gerbelg@mail.auburn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:42:08 EST Reply-To: bayerk@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: KGB Organization: New York University Libraries Subject: shaving heads Last year, after walking through the 100 gates area of Jerusalem, I listened to a lecture regarding women of traditional Jewish sects. This lecturer suspected that the act of women shaving their hair originated in Eastern Europe around the time that it was fashionable for women to shave the area directly above the forehead. Since many ultra orthodox sects maintain the dress and traditions of the past (dressing in black, observing the religion as it was), the women too hold on to certain customs. There are certain religious groups who take their religious customs to the extreme. This is evident in the long curls Ultra Orthodox, Hasidic men wear rather than simply not shaving above the the earlobe. Hence, some women do shave their heads. I believe that the lecturer stated that these women are members of small, extremely orthodox sects. Kristin Bayer NYU bayerk@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:30:18 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ivy Melinda Gilbert Subject: Orthodox Jewish Women do NOT shave their heads Actually, both answers were right: I know of some orthodox women who find it easier to conform to the "no-seductive-hair-showing-unless-it's-to-your husband" requirement by shaving their heads and wearing a wig all of the time. Others prefer to keep their own hair and wear a veil, hat, or wig over it. Ivy Gilbert igilbert@mail.sas.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:44:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Lanser Subject: Why rewrite fairy tales Dear Martha, I am afraid that my children will never read any original fairy tale, at least while they are children. Fairy tales were designed as morality tales and social controls for adults and children, and depending upon the culture you are 'listening' to, the men often fare as badly as the women. They are what some might call a powerful educational tool for all group members. Cinderella comes to mind as a European tale. The stepsisters lop off their toes to make the slipper fit and birds peck their eyes out in the end. See what comes from being sisterly? How could a feminist re-write make that a more powerful tool? I am aware of altering perspectives and it is a clever way to make a point. One of the first books that I read as a young adolescent was Grendel (the monster in Beowulf) by Roland Robinson. To me the search for 'truth' historically offers the most powerful tools for seeing ourselves and seeing others. Re-writing folk tales to elide the 'truth' of a period has more potential limitations than benefits. You have spoken your 'truth' to me from the tower wall, now come on down here and convince me that feminist re-writes of fairy tales are really useful or provide us and other young women with a clearer truth. mary From: Martha Mar Caminero-Santangelo Subject: Why rewrite fairy tales To: Multiple recipients of list WMST-L Why did Jean Rhys decide to rewrite JANE EYRE from the "madwoman's" point of view? Why have so many women writers attempted to rewrite misogynist myths? I think rewriting of powerful stories which enact violence to women through their representations can expose that violence for what it is. They can thus be a powerful feminist tool, by increasing awareness of how those original representations worked. Of course fairy tales are a special case, since they have an audience primarily of children; but from a gut level I suppose I feel that children are eventually going to herar the original version anyway; it would be nice if, instead of simply accepting it (along with its less sexist counterparts) at face value, the children had already heard a different version, and could say, "No, that's not right!" Marta Caminero-Santangelo eahg267@orion.oac.uci.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:53:42 -0500 Reply-To: pws1@ra.msstate.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: ? Middle East Studies Assn ? Paula Sunderman is having difficulty posting and has asked me to post this message for her. Please reply to her privately at pws1@ra.msstate.edu . Joan Korenman ******************************************* Does anyone know the address for the Middle East Studies Association? I'd like to register for their November conference and receive a program and other conference materials. If you have their address and/or phone number, please contact me at the following address: pws1@ra.msstate.edu. Thanks so much. Paula Sunderman Miss. State Univ. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:59:41 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Marilyn P. Safir" Subject: Re: Orthodox Jewish women do NOT shave their heads In-Reply-To: <9406240305.AA27632@mx2.u.washington.edu> Orthodox Jewish women (Ashkenazie) do wear wigs and many keep their hair short to make this easier. This is true in Israel. Sephardic or Eastern Jewish Women just use a scarf. What is interesting is that in spite of the reason (to cover their "crowning glory") to make them less appealing to other men, wigs have become very elaborate. The hairstyle, the colors, and the quality of hair - appears to me- to do just the opposite of what the head covering is supposed to achieve - make the woman wearing the wig more attractive. Marilyn (safirm@u.washington.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:08:34 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Betty Kirschner How do I get the archive on chilly climate please? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:50:51 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marjanne Gooze' Subject: Re: 2 queries--bell hooks and feminist biography In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 22 Jun 1994 21:51:35 -0700 from I've been trying to be modest and not promote myself, but queries regarding fem inist (auto)biography theory and texts have come up in the last couple of weeks , so I will mention a review essay of the anthologies of essays on the topic I published as a source of bibliographic info. It's called, "The Definitions of Self and Form in Feminist Autobiography Theory," in _Women's Studies: An Interd isciplinary Journal_ 21 (1992): 411-429. Marjanne E. Gooze' Dept. of Germanic and Slavic Langs. University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Telephone: Office: (706) 542-2450; Home: (706) 549-2831 E-Mail: MGOOZE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 20:18:02 +0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Xenia Rajewsky Subject: programs in body history I am posting this for a student of mine. She is studying history and social theory here in Germany (6th semester, she passed the inter- mediate exams) and got now the oppertunity tu study in the USA for one year. She is interested in learning about universities where she could pursue her studies in body history (history of the body?) under a feminist view. Can anyone help her with informations at which universities such work is done? Please respond to me privately. Many thanks in advance. Xenia Rajewsky x.rajewsky@mbox.soziologie.uni-hannover.de ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:53:43 -1000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mala Chakravorty Subject: Feminist Utopia There is a wonderful utopia written by a Bengali woman around the turn of the century. It is called "Sultana's Dream" and the author is Rokeya Sakhawat Hossain(1880-1932). It was originally written in Bengali and then translated into English by the author herself. You can find it in the anthology, "Women Writing in India: From 600 B.C. to the Present" Volume1, edited by Susie Tharu and K. Lalitha [New York: Feminist Press, 1991]. I hope that you'll find the story interesting. Mala Chakravorty Office for Women's Research University of Hawaii, Honolulu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:12:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "Rusty Shteir." Subject: Patriarchy In-Reply-To: note of 06/22/94 18:42 I would like to see your discussion of the term "patriarchy." Are you offering to send it out via WMST-L? It is good of you to extend the benefits of your work and reflection. Thanks a lot. Rusty Shteir Director, Graduate Programme in Women's Studies, York Univ., Canada ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:58:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chrys Ingraham Subject: Beijing Conference Does anyone have any information on the 1995 UN Conference on Women in Beijing? My institution is considering sending women and would like to get details....Any direction would be greatly appreciated Thanks! Chrys Ingraham Russell Sage College Sociology Ingraham@albnyvms ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:52:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Beijing Conference > Does anyone have any information on the 1995 UN Conference on Women > in Beijing? My institution is considering sending women and would > like to get details....Any direction would be greatly appreciated > Thanks! > Chrys Ingraham > Ingraham@albnyvms Since requests of this sort keep coming, I did a quick database search and put some of the more informative messages that have appeared on WMST-L about the Beijing '95 conference into a file called BEIJING CONFRNCE (please note the spelling of CONFRNCE). To get the file, send the message GET BEIJING CONFRNCE to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). Please send this message to LISTSERV, NOT to WMST-L. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 23:28:47 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg Subject: Re: ru486 In-Reply-To: <5A0AA068E005F18C@brfapg.bitnet> I mistakingly deleted the original request for information on ru486, so I am sending this message to the list. Actually, I do not know much about ru486, but here in Brazil women use a medicin called 'CITOTEC' which has oxitocyn (sp.?) and is commonly used for the treatment of ulcers, but works as an abortive as well. WHat they do is take 2 pills orally and introduce two pills in the vagina along with some spermicide cream. As some may know, oxitocyn is the drug used in inducing labor, and that is exactly what CITOTEC does. Here, when the medicin starts to work, women usually go to a clinic, and many need to have D'C's. The medicine does not work well for all women; there have been cases of women who almost bled to death, and cases in which it does not work at all. Abortion is illegal in Brazil (it is only officially/legally allowed when the mother's life is endangered by the pregnancy or when the latter is the result of a rape). No wonder the sale of CITOTEC is supposed to be strickly controlled now (but it really isn't). A friend of mine who is an obstetritian says it has saved many lives, and that there are lots of ways to get the medicine...Likewise, if you have 300 dollars to spare, you can have a vacuum abortion here at very fancy clinics... Now, if you are poor, you usually end up at a backalley deal... Recently, a young woman in Sao Paulo was tried and condemned to a year in prison for having an abortion; she was poor, went to another poor woman who made a living of 'backalley' abortions, had serious complications and the clinic where she went for help called the police. She nearly died and still is in prison for nearly dying and for being poor. Of course, if you can afford going to the fancy clinics, nothing like that happens. They pay off the police for protection. And I bet the owners of these clinics are behind those lobbying against the passage of the bill decriminalizing abortion, and probably behind those who support control of CITOTEC. Cecilia Sardenberg NEIM/UFBA Salvador, Bahia, Brazil cecisard@sunrnp.ufba.br ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:18:05 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: feminist fairy tales As a child I read fairy tales voraciously -- everything I could get my hands on. I remember that by the age of 11 I had read every single book of fairy tales in the collection at the Santa Clara (Calif.) public library, including those in the adult section. My favorite of all was (and still is) Hans Christian Anderson, particularly the Snow Queen, which I read several times with extreme delight to my daughter when she was a child. I have re-read it many times since and each time I read it anew -- what I most love about it is what it says about the nature of perception, compassion, and love. While no doubt I was affected by the dearth of strong feminine heroines (there are actually a few) in those tales they nonetheless nurtured my imagination. There are many different ways one can interpret those stories, just as feminist theologians are finding new ways to interpret the Bible and other sacred texts. While most at some level have a moral tale to tell that goes against the grain of feminism, at deeper, symbolic levels they can speak differently. For example, instead of reading the characters as distinct beings we can read them as different aspects of the human psyche, which can be either male or female. Hansel and Gretel for instance can represent the child's journey through danger to independence, with Hansel and Gretel each representing different aspects of the child's psychological response to being, in effect, abandoned by her/his parents. One tale I came upon ten years ago by following through a reference in Linda Leonard's _The Wounded Woman_ is called "The Courageous Girl." It is included in a book whose title I don't remember now, but it is a collection of tales from some place in the Middle East. In this story a young woman dresses up as a man and overcomes many terrifying obstacles to acquire the medicine she needs to cure her father's blindness. As always this tale can be read on many levels, but the one I like best is seeing the "Courageous Girl" as representing feminism curing the blindness of patriachy. Rewriting old tales is terrific. But that doesn't have to be the only way we approach them. We CAN teach our children to read the old versions in ways that empower them. Georgia NeSmith gnesmith@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 22:39:38 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bernadette Jones Palombo Claremont Graduate School Subject: Re: WOMEN AND MADNESS I am a relatively new subscriber to the WMST-l (with much gratitude to one of my colleagues at CGS, Karen Kidd) and have been enjoying immensely (and benefiting intellectually) to the conversations and topics introduced here. I have just ordered and read the Index to "Women and Madness" and noticed an absence in the bibliography of what I consider to be an outstanding work by Jungian analyst, Dr. Linda Leonard. So, I hope I'm not too late to contribute one more addition to the list. Dr. Leonard's book, entitled MEETING THE MADWOMAN: AN INNER CHALLENGE FOR FEMININE SPIRIT, 1993, explores the mad woman archetype through a Jungian feminist analysis, using ancient myths and fairy tales, contemporary films and I would highly recommend Dr. Leonard's work for an introductory women's study course on "Women and Madness." Bernadette Jones Palombo, Ph.D. Claremont Graduate School Visiting Scholar palombob@cgsvax.claremont.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 00:53:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sushil Oswal Subject: contemporary Middle Eastern women writers In-Reply-To: <199406250401.AAA08082@holmes.umd.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Jun 25, 94 00:00:40 am Could someone send me personal mail if you have info on women writers, particularly dramatists and fiction writers, from Middle Eastern countries? My E-mail is: oswal@knuth.mtsu.edu Sushil Oswal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 22:53:52 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bernadette Jones Palombo Claremont Graduate School Subject: Re: WOMEN AND MADNESS For some reason (unknown to me, I have not sent a message on this network before) my recent transmission on "Women and Madness" was incomplete. The incomplete sentence should read "Dr. Leonard explores the mad woman archetype through a Jungian feminist perspective, using ancient myths and fairy tales, contemporary films and literature, and stories and dreams of historical and contemporary women and men." I must confess that my educational background is not that of Women's Studies but political science with an emphasis criminal justice and criminology. I am, however, interested in networking with women in the field of criminal justice and criminology. If anyone knows of any existing "e-conferences" for "Women in Criminal Justice" or "Sisters in Crime," could you please the information on to me at my e-mail address. Thanks so much. Bernadette Jones Palombo Claremont Graduate School palombob@cgsvax.claremont.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:29:04 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Andrea Austin <3AJA1@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> Subject: Re: feminist fairy tales In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:18:05 EDT from On Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:18:05 EDT Georgia NeSmith said: > >.... We CAN teach our children >to read the old versions in ways that empower them. I agree with Georgia that we needn't necessarily throw the old tales out altogether, that we can read them "with different eyes." Hans Christian Anderson is one of my favourites, too, primarily for "The Little Mermaid." I haven't set eyes on it in years, so I hope my memory isn't faulty, but I remembered the ending to the story being that the Prince marries the dark-haired girl, never knowing that it actually was the mermaid who saved him, and she, of course, can't tell him that it was her. I have always, ever since childhood, thought that the moral of the story was that, if you give up everything for a man (voice, talent, family, home, and so on) you'll be sorry. I was upset when the Disney version came out and, from what I've heard, has a happily-ever-after ending; I haven't seen it, so maybe I really shouldn't comment, but is it teaching our little girls that if they just sacrifice enough, if they just give enough, their prince will whisk them away happily ever after? I thought that their changes were a definite step backward. This is assuming, of course, that I remembered the HCA ending right; if not, it (still) makes for an example of how we can make the tales our own, reading as revision. Along this line, I'd also like to point out that many feminist scholars work on literary texts by male authors and find much to enjoy in the works, as well as presenting new interpretations (e.g., the feminist portrait of The Wife of Bath, in _The Canterbury Tales_). This, I think, is part of what Judith Fetterly is urging in _The Resisting Reader_, and more than one scholar since has studied the reception among female readers of male authors' works, showing how the women change the story, or interpret the story differently. Of course, we still need feminist re-writings, and feminist originals of fairy tales and children's stories; we need every resource available to us. In this vein, I had wanted to mention esp. _The Paper Bag Princess_, but am afraid I've forgotten the name of the author. Could any WMST subscribers help me out with this? Thanks, Andrea Austin Dept. of English Queen's University 3aja1@qucdn.queensu.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:49:41 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SueBD@AOL.COM Subject: Fwd: Co-Author Needed I'm forwarding this from another list at the request of the original author. I do not know anything about the situation, so please reply privately to her, not to me. Thankx. --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Co-Author Needed Date: 94-06-24 05:07:18 EDT From: DEBRA@oln.comlink.apc.org To: SueBD From: IACESP%ASUACAD.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU Freelance writer Shaaron Cosner has a contract with Oryx Press (Phoenix) to compile a biographical directory of American women historians and needs a co- author with a Ph.D. in history (or womens' studies). Scope of the directory: 18t century to the present. Royalties will be shared. Co-author will be responsible primarily for more recent historians. If interested, write or call the author directly. TEL: (602)966-5771. Address: 2162 E. 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In-Reply-To: <199406070247.TAA07660@uclink.berkeley.edu> On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Kim L. Gunning wrote: > A student in my les/gay/bi studies course is interested in finding material on > South Asian (India, Pakistan, etc) gays and lesbians. She is interested in > both fiction and non-fiction--autobiographical writings, history, politics, > etc. Can anyone help me out here? > > BTW, thanks to all of you who answered my query about teaching gay/les/bi > studies to het students--all replies were very helpful! > > Kim Gunning > Rutgers University > kgunning@eden.rutgers.edu > Does your student know about "Strange Obsession" by Shobha De published in New Delhi in 1992 by Penguin? It's a very nasty tale of an exceptionally brutal lesbian relationship. Not nice reading but maybe useful data. Anna Livia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:01:19 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anna Livia Julian Brawn Subject: Re: Irish Lesbian/Gay Books In-Reply-To: <199406081549.IAA06463@uclink.berkeley.edu> On Wed, 8 Jun 1994, KATHERINE O wrote: > From: BUREAU::AREN6007 8-JUN-1994 16:01:49.92 > To: IN%"queer-studies@ferkel.usb.edu" > CC: AREN6007 > Subj: Irish Lesbian/Gay Books > > Basement Press, a new division of Ireland's feminist Attic Press, is > looking for proposals and manuscripts for its most recent imprint 'Queer > Views'. Queer Views will publish fiction and non-fiction of interest to > Lesbians and Gay Men. > > Forthcoming titles include:"One in Every Family", a book designed to answer > the questions of parents/friends/colleagues who have recently learned that > someone close to them is Lesbian/Gay. > > The deadline for submissions to "Sugar & Spice: Contemporary Irish Lesbian > Fairytales" is July 4 and contributions are still being sought for "Boys > Will Be Boys: A collection of Irish Gay Male Short Fiction" and for > a > collection of New Irish Lesbian Writings. > > PLEASE forward this message to those you think might be interested. > and PLEASE respond privately with names/addresses of people, publications, > bookstores, Lesbian/Gay centres, Women's Centres, Irish centres, Community > Art Centres, schools and other institutions which should be made aware or > might be interested in hearing about 'Queer Views'. > > 'Queer Views' marks a very radical/historical (and for me, slightly scary,) > step in Irish Publishing/cultural affairs; your help in putting me in contact > with Irish sexual exiles would be a tremendous boost. > > Thank You, > Katherine O'Donnell (Queer Views Series Editior) > AREN6007@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE > Basement Press > 4 Upper Mount Street > Dublin 2 > IRELAND > Phone: 01 616 128 > Fax: 01 616 176 > Hi Katherine, I don't have anything to submit right now, but I would like to wish you good luck with the queer publications -the time has surely come. Anna Livia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:16:40 -0500 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: vacation I will be away on vacation for the next two weeks, returning by July 12. I am announcing this on WMST-L so that no one will write to me during this time seeking help. I suggest that if you need assistance, you consult your system's computer support people. Their job is to provide help. If you absolutely must contact someone with listowner privileges, the people to write to are Zoya Fansler (fansler@umbc2.umbc.edu) until July 5, and Linda Lopez McAlister (mcaliste@chuma.cas.usf.edu) after July 5. But please try your computer support staff first. Many thanks. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:12:57 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anna Livia Julian Brawn Subject: Re: separatism ? In-Reply-To: <199406231613.JAA25796@uclink.berkeley.edu> On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, Eeyore wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Tanya and I am a senior at RPI. I am currently working on > a paper concerning the many opinions and theories of separatism. I know that > there are sub-topics of separation and lesbian separatism but I can not find > enough information. I went to the RPI library but this college has been a > technological school and male dominating one for many years (4:1 men). If > Someone could please suggest authors or resources where I might be able to get > more information, I would appreciate it greatly. > > Thanks, > Tanya Moy > moyt@rpi.edu > > *PS- I am looking for some information on male separatism too. > Please feel free to email me privately if this subject has been > covered before. I am new to the list. > You should get hold of a copy of FOR LESBIANS ONLY edited by Julia Penelope and Sarah Lucia Hoagland, published in Londonn by Onlywomen Press. It's an enormous anthology of about 600 pages. Anna Livia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 21:01:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Shango Project: Archives for Black Lesbians and Gay Men The following announcement may be of interest to WMST-L readers. For more information, please write to the address provided in the announcement, not to WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E S H A N G O P R O J E C T: National Archives for Black Lesbians and Gay Men P.O. Box 2341 Bloomington, Indiana 47402-2341 _____________________________________________________ The Shango Project is a newly conceived effort to collect, preserve and maintain materials of historical interest which document aspects of African-American Lesbian and Gay existence in contemporary and historical society. The project entails the acquisition, collection and preservation of newspapers, articles, books, magazines, journals, memorabilia, diaries, and other artifacts (records, field recordings and interviews, compact discs, film, video, song texts, art pieces, folklore, commentary, fiction, poetry, etc.) which document the Black Lesbian and Gay male presence. In conjunction with other groups, organizations and individuals, The Shango Project will act as a support organization to aid in project design, research aims, film festivals and other activities whose function is to educate, enlighten or promote change, such as initiating an annual Black Lesbian and Gay History Day during the month of February, Black History Month. The Shango Project is dedicated to increasing the visibility of Lesbian and Gay Blacks and the exploration of issues central to our lives. Through its newsletter, Purple Drum, The Shango Project allows writers, filmmakers, scholars, researchers, students, activists and others an avenue of communication on a variety of events, new works and activities through the announcement and critical, informed review of books, film, video, music, commentary and television. A long-range goal of the project is to develop a resource center serving not only as archive but maintaining a database of all research and historical materials pertaining to Black Lesbian and Gay men in the African Diaspora. Such a central database will allow the use of a much-needed resource tool in exploring aspects of Lesbian and Gay male life and to further much-needed work on the multidimensional issues and problems faced by Lesbians and Gay men of African descent in society across the world. If you would like to contribute to this effort please contact the director by writing to the address listed or phoning: 812.334.8860. Donations which bear on some aspect of the Black Lesbian and Gay experience are always welcome and will be maintained and preserved in the donor's name. Scholars, reviewers and writers are always welcome to submit short commentary, letters, articles, fiction and nonfiction for publication in Purple Drum, or may deposit such items to the archive if they wish them to become a part of the permanent collection. Each year, The Shango Project announces awards for research and creative activities (film, video, poetry, novels) which contribute significantly to our understanding of the history and culture of Black Lesbians and Gay men. P U R P L E D R U M The Newsletter of The Shango Project ______________________________________________ Purple Drum is published twice yearly. Commentary, short articles, fiction, poetry, reviews, letters, course syllabi, projects, festivals, conferences, announce- ments, and contributions are most welcome and may be addressed to the editor. To receive a copy, write to: Editor, Purple Drum The Shango Project P.O. Box 2341 Bloomington, Indiana 47402-2341 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 07:35:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Paula W. Sunderman" Subject: Re: contemporary Middle Eastern women writers Sushil, I saw your message on WMST-L about info on women writers, particularly dramatists and fiction writers, from Middle Eastern countries. Are you looking for bibliography? or personal contact? I wasn't sure from your message. If the former, there is a virtual explosion of writing by talented female authors from the Middle East. I'll be glad to send you information about some contemporary authors (female). I'm not familiar with the dramatists. You can reach me at my e-mail address of pws1@ra.msstate.edu or pws1@msstate.bitnet. I prefer the internet address as sometimes the bitnet one bounces back to the net. I should mention that I'm currently co-editing a collection of contemporary Arab women's writing and will be glad to supply you with some names of contemporary writers as well as contacts with critics. Best wishes, Paula Sunderman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 13:53:30 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Communication I am in need of a snail mail or email address for Sally Kitch. Please write me directly. Ethel Tobach ettgc@cunyvm thanks. Ethel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:30:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Sally Kitch Thanks to everyone...I got the information I needed. Ethel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:08:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marianne Stevens Suggs Subject: Re: Femmage Femmage is term coined by Miriam Schapiro in the 70s to describe her collages done with fabric, articles of clothing, paint, etc. Thus different from collage which does not use items of female apparel. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:11:13 U Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Soric Subject: Zagreb Women's Cntr Seeks B Zagreb Women's Cntr Seeks Books, Magazines The Multimedia Women's Center NONA in Zagreb, Croatia, is seeking donations of women's studies reference books and women's magazines and journals for its growing library. NONA was established in December of 1993 in response to the needs of Croatian women victims of war and their Bosnian sisters in exile in Croatia. NONA holds literary events, lectures, exhibits, and workshops for all women, and offers special programming for refugee and displaced women. NONA also has a small library and is building archives documenting the experiences of women from Croatia and from Bosnia-Hercegovina. Of course part of the archives will focus on women's experience in war. Here are some of NONA's simple needs that I'm sure some of you could fill: NONA does not yet have a subscription to Ms Magazine, and would like that very much. NONA also is searching for a reference book on women's scholarships and fellowships, or any other reference books on scholarships and fellowships, to meet a growing demand for such educational information among women in Croatia. NONA is committed to being a resource for the establishment of women's studies in Croatia, but needs your help. If anyone is willing also to donate the new book "Mass Rape", edited by Alexandra Stiglmayer, it would be much appreciated. I am NONA's primary contact in the United States and would love to field any offers for the above material, especially to avoid duplication. I will gladly give you their contact information upon your reply. Thank you for supporting a pioneering project in the Croatian and Bosnian women's movement. Susan Soric (susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu) The Balkan Women's Empowerment Project ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:43:09 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Patricia Christian @ Sociology & Anthropology" Subject: fairy tales I have to agree with Georgia NeSmith that there is a lot of value in fairy tales that I am not ready to throw out. I too was a voracious fairy tale reader -- favorites were Kate Crackernuts (who cooly rescued her sister, whose head had been turned into a sheep's head, while cracking nuts and eating them), and The Little Goose Girl -- but they also gave me evidence of women's oppression throughout time and across space, so that as I became aware of the women's movement, as a twelve year old, it was clear to me what the problem was. I judged the character's actions and elected to admire them or not; Sleeping Beauty was NOT heroine material, many others were smart and spunky and did the best they could in their situations. While we don't own a t.v. because we don't want our children exposed to the images of women (and men and everything else shown there!) we do read them fairy tales and have begun to purchase the Andrew Lang series for their eventual enjoyment. I guess I trust them enough to make the same judgments I did about the characters. We also own the Father Goose book, which I must say I found insipid, and is not among my children's favorites... Fun discussion, great topic. Pat Christian, Canisius College christia@canisius.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:09:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Lanser Subject: Re: feminist fairy tales In-Reply-To: GNESMITH AT ACSPR1.ACS.BROCKPORT.EDU -- Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:18:05 EDT I would like to thank Andrea and Georgia for two very thoughtful responses to my posts on feminist re-writes of fairy and folk tales. I asked the question for several reasons. I am not particularly averse to re-writing any part of any culture, but it must be done so as to preserve both the old and revised tradition. I think that new stories reflecting the contemporary awarenesses of women are more powerful as feminist tools than re-writes of prior periods. I am most familiar with a broad base of European stories written in English and African folk tales, riddles, and proverbs, also written in English. I am struck by the violence of those traditions, in general, and am bemused by the re-writing that has already been done. Is anyone aware of a culture whose story-telling tradition is less violent? mary lanser ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:46:59 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eeyore Subject: Re: separatism ? In-Reply-To: Anna Livia Julian Brawn "Re: separatism ?" (Jun 25, 12:12pm) Hello, Thank you for your response. I found this book the day after I posted my message. It is quite helpful in the aspect of lesbian separatism. The dumb thing was that the bookstores did not know this book existed when I originally searched for books. Unfortunately, I am still looking for some views of female and male separatism. Once again, Thank you very much. -Tanya ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:54:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eeyore Subject: ooops.... In-Reply-To: Eeyore "Re: separatism ?" (Jun 27, 11:46am) Sorry for that last posting ... I did not realize that the message was going to the main list. That message was intended for Anna Livia. Thank you for all the response. Once again, sorry for the inconveience. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:17:32 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shauna Lee Manning Subject: feminism and fairytales Just to add my two cents worth on the feminism & fairytales thread... I do agree with Georgia, and want to add that I find it very beneficial to see misogynist works rewritten because it shows how the same literary piece can be seen from a different point of view (feminist as opposed to patriarchal). As someone who grew up in an EXTREMELY patriarchal home and environment, it was very hard for me as youngster to see how fairytales, stories, etc. could be retold in a different voice. It is still imperative that we have original feminist works, but I think that rewriting and reinterpreting misogynist works is an exercise that really gets the reader to see feminism and see how a feminist perspective has been lacking in our cultural history. Shauna ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:45:48 +0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eva Isaksson Subject: Nordic Forum for Women 1994 The full day-to-day programme of NORDIC FORUM FOR WOMEN (Aug. 1-6, 1994) is now available via University of Helsinki gopher. What is the Nordic Forum? It is a huge meeting for women from all over Northern Europe - Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Greenland, and the Baltic Countries. Over 10'000 women will meet for six days in Turku, Finland during the first week of August. There will be not only an 'official' meeting (a Regional UN Conference on Women) but a large number of women from diverse backgrounds will gather together to exchange ideas on a variety of topics. The official Forum programme (over 1000 events) is an impressive, up-to-date document about current women's issues in Northern Europe. In electronic form, it's over 600'000 bytes of plain text, and can be accessed via gopher (or www) services. It is available in three major Scandinavian languages. (There will be an English version, but whether it can be made accessible in an electronic form is not yet quite certain.) How to access the data: 1. Search your local gopher for net access for University of Helsinki gopher. You will find the Forum programme in the following directory: Tiedekunnat/Humanistinen tiedekunta/Kristiina-instituutti/ Pohjoismainen Forum 1994 (For those using www: the data can be found from the above directory at http://www.helsinki.fi/ ) 2. For unix users, there is a way to access the above directory by an one-line command: gopher -p 1/yliopisto/tdk/humtdk/kris gopher.helsinki.fi 3. If you don't have gopher/www access, but can use telnet, you can access the University of Helsinki gopher by typing: telnet gopher.helsinki.fi and using 'heli' as userid. (Note: the net version of the programme has been through some PageMaker -> WinWord -> ascii formatting, resulting in loss of some carriage returns & Icelandic special characters. Please report any major mistakes you find to Eva.Isaksson@Helsinki.Fi, but keep in mind that I cannot take any responsibility for errors, the net version being purely a volunteer project.) _________________________________________________________________________ Eva Isaksson mail: Eva.Isaksson@Helsinki.Fi finger: eisaksso@plootu.helsinki.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:55:49 -0600 Reply-To: rbradley@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert C. Bradley" ------------------------------ From: Irene Stuber Tue, 21 Jun 1994 21:45:55 -0400 To: Multiple recipients of list WMST-L Subject: Important enought to break a rule about submissions? Advisory from NOW 06-21-94 NOW has been urging its members to campaign their congressional delegations and is calling on everyone who cares about the safety and health of their mothers, daughters, sisters, themselves, to write Senators and Congressional Representatives urging them to vote FOR a fully funded Violence Against Women Act that is part of the Crime Bill. This Violence Against Women ACT has been sitting in the conference committee for months - and in the meantime, women die. "Every 15 seconds a woman is battered by her husband or boyfriend --- 2,000 to 4,000 women are killed by a husband or partner each year," says NOW President Patricia Ireland. "While the Violence Against Women Act languishes in Congressional committee, women are being abused, stalked and murdered." The Senate version of the Violence Against Women Act, whose key sponsors include Senators Joseph Biden and Barbara Boxer, provide 1.8 billion dollars for violence prevention and intervention. The Violence Against Women Act includes training programs for police departments, judges, administrative court personnel - funding for battered women's shelters -- development of a national hotline and rape crisis centers. This bill also includes a civil rights provision, which would classify violence against women as a violation of civil rights. NOW WILL PROTEST CONGRESSIONAL INACTION ON THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT IN DEMONSTRATION SCHEDULED FOR NOON, WEDNESDAY JUNE 22 AT THE CAPITOL "TRIANGLE" - URGES CONGRESS TO MAKE WOMEN'S HEALTH AND SAFETY A PRIORITY In response to the highly publicized murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and the abusive history of O.J. Simpson, NOW will hold a protest at the US Capitol to demand quick passage of the Violence Against Women Act and full funding of this crucial bill. WHO will attend: Patricia Ireland, President of NOW Congresswoman Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo) Congressman Charles Schumer (D-NY) Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del) Invited Other National Women's Organizations and the list is growing .... Submitted by Irene Stuber, irenestuber@delphi.com, Arkansas NOW president from a NOW News Release dated 6/20/94. EVERY DAY at least 4 women die at the hands of their nearest and dearest - EVERY DAY - We've got to do something about this horror. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:59:03 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Helen F. Rowe" Subject: Re: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. In-Reply-To: <9406201803.AA05054@moose.uvm.edu> Does anyone remember Prarie Dawn? She was independent, non-traditional girl in the Sesame Street book series (it's been 9 years since I read them to my now-feminist 12 year old son) and we both thought she was a great female role model. As I recall, she had leadership qualities, liked animals, and was adventurous. And she could lasso. I don't recall any older females in the tv or book or video series, although there was an older man, Mr. Hooper, on television, and Grover had an older uncle who was a farmer (and lived alone)... I remember wishing for more females in all of these media, as I shared them with my son...today, he looks for them with a critical view as well, because we discussed their absence over the years... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:39:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy D Peotter Subject: "gendering" of musical instruments A graduate student in the music department is pursuing research on the "gendering" of musical instruments. His question: What characteristics of band instruments would cause them to be classified as being preferable for males or preferable for females? Any thoughts or references we could direct him to? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 14:56:35 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Chesen Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments I do not have a reference at hand, however, my own experience may be helpful helpful. In the early sixties when in elementary school, the band director absolutely refusedt o allow young "girls" to play the drums. I know others who have experienced similar situations. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:07:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Re: feminist fairy tales "Is anyone aware of a culture whose story-telling tradition is less violent?" That is the nature of the fairy tale. Folk and fairy tales were told in order to instruct and interpret belief systems and basic concerns of humans. One of the forces to be dealt with both in oneself and in others is the tendency toward violence. In a very real sense these tales were a kind of moral tale to inspire dealing with strong feelings including violence. What is happening now is the re-discovery of tales that were not as influenced by the patriarchal order. Also contemporary writers and illustrators are setting out tales that respect all cultures and both genders. See for example: Le Guin's A Ride on the Red Mares Back and DePaola's Stega Nona stories. John Steptoe wrote Mufaro's Beautiful Daughters. and for a contemporary story Tar Beach by Faith Ringgold is a joy. All of the above will be in any public library children's room along with many more. Jane ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 17:07:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: martha ecker Subject: possible plagiarism Does anybody recognize this paragraph? Please respond privately and thanks in advance. Martha Ecker Ramapo College of NJ mecker@ultrix.ramapo.edu Lesbianism, as ir was practiced and written about in America, was greatly influeneced by this international subculture. Lesbianism was not confined to the aristocratic women who traveled around the world, nit it's dominant themes and inner circle visions were. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 17:46:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Imas, Ms. Victoria" Subject: Beijing Conference Sorry, Irene has sent an UNKNOWN adress, this is why I am sending the message to the LIST. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to request a periodic informational newsletter from the Women's Bureau U.S Department of Labour Room S3311 200 Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 202010 To have a copy of the current discussion draft of the USA's Platform the document may be downloaded via INTERNET from the conference known as UN.WCW.DOC.ENG The Fourth United Nations World Conference on Women is being held in Beijing, China from 4-15 September 1995. More information can be requested from: Ms. Gertrude Mongella Secretary General Fourth World Conference on Women DC2-2314, United Nations New York, NY 10017 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 15:57:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sue Morrow Subject: Refs: Lesbian/Gay/Bi Careers I would appreciate your recommendations of articles related to issues related to the career development of lesbian, gay, and bisexual women and men. Please reply privately and I'll post a list to WMST-L when it looks like they're all in. I'd also be interested in an exchange of ideas with others interested in research in this area. Thanks! Sue =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Sue Morrow, Ph.D. Internet: MORROW@GSE.UTAH.EDU Dept. of Educational Psychology 327 Milton Bennion Hall University of Utah Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 581-3400 FAX: (801) 581-5566 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:26:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Stuber Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments Big instruments and percussion were absolutely masculine. Girls played the little bell things and flutes and stuff. But on an historical note, violins were considered masculine and the first women concert violinists were consider4d freeaks considered freaks I believe into the early 1800's - date might be off. irenestuber@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:58:00 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: "gendering" of musical instruments >Big instruments and percussion were absolutely masculine. Girls >played the little bell things and flutes and stuff. I can vouch for that from personal experience. In 1961 when I arrived home from school one day & announced that I wanted to learn to play the trumpet, my Mom told me I should take up some instrument that was "more feminine" like the flute. I did, and I played it for nearly 20 years, & won lots of awards in H.S, etc.; even majored in music in college for a while. But I never forgot that I had really wanted to play the trumpet. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 22:04:01 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robyn L. Cochran" Subject: Mentoring Programs I am researching and writing guidelines (with pamphlet) for a mentorship program to be implemented by a local junior college women's center this Fall. I would greatly appreciate any sources, cites or shared experiences from those list participants who may be familiar with this topic. Please send the information to me directly: RobynL@Pinn.net Robyn Lynn Virginia Beach, Va. =:|\Pinnacle Online - Open and dynamic Internet services:= =:|o\. | | | ______ := =:|_/||\ ||\ | |\.| __ | Voice: 804/498.3889 email: info@pinn.net:= =:| || \|| \| o | \| \_ .| Data: 804/498.9762 login: guest or new := ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 22:47:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Hansen Subject: Seeking dynamic feminist art speaker Our art department is seeking a big-name, big-ticket feminist speaker from the art world -- critic, art historian, museum person, artist, etc. -- to speak sometime in the spring of 1995, ideally during Women's History Month. We're looking for suggestions on dynamic speakers and/or those who have important things to say about art and feminism. Whom have you heard that really impressed you? Please email suggestions privately unless you think the list membership would be interested. Many thanks, +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ "I have only come here seeking knowledge; things they would not teach me of in college." --Gordon Matthew Sumner a.k.a. "Cousin" Sting katwoman * kathy hansen * khansen@suvax1.stetson.edu stetson university art department * 904/822-7266 biz hours empowering words from Deland, Florida * 904/734-1747 voice/fax * after biz hours +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:57:40 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Paula Steinhart Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406280201.WAA06700@holmes.umd.edu> i, too, was stopped from playing a masculine instrument by my mother, when, in the 1950's, she made me turn in the cello i had selected to play in band and play the more feminine "bells." paula ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 00:38:02 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nijole Benokraitis Subject: What *is* "gendering," by the way? Speaking of "gendering musical instruments," I've been trying to pin down what "gendered" and "gendering" mean. Some recent books (e.g., Judith Lorber's *Paradoxes of Gender* (1994) don't use the terms (but I haven't finished the book yet). Others use the terms but don't define them or include them in the subject index. I've only skimmed Daphne Spain's *Gendered Spaces* (1992) but see "gendered" in the index.....Any help/comments/suggestions would be appreciated. niki Benokraitis ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 00:49:31 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nijole Benokraitis Subject: What *is* gendering, by the way? (Correction) I MEANT to say that "gendered" was *not* in the index of Spain's *Gendered Spaces.* Sorry....I keep forgetting to get on e-mail when my brain is working above a 1% level....--niki Benokraitis ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:51:57 EST Reply-To: E.Binder@jk.uni-linz.ac.at Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Elisabeth J. Binder" Subject: Conference in Graz/Austria--anybody going? I know this comes pretty late, but are there any list members going to attend the 2nd European Feminist Research Conference in Graz/Austria? Would you like to meet? Please send me an e-mail message or leave a note for me at the registration desk. Elisabeth Binder ------------------------ Elisabeth J. Binder Interuniversitaere Koordinationsstelle fuer Frauenforschung Altenbergerstr. 69 A-4040 Linz Tel: +43-732-2468 9203 Fax: +43-732-2468 9212 E-mail: E.Binder@jk.uni-linz.ac.at ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:18:32 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeri Carter Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406271839.OAA02502@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Nancy D Peotter" at Jun 27, 94 1:39 pm >From elementary through high school ('61-'69), the bands in which I played had clearly delineated gender expectations about *choice* of instrument, at least within broad categories (i.e., woodwind, brass, percussion). I remember quite clearly, at the instrument orientation and selection meeting, being steered away from the trumpet I really wanted, toward flute or clarinet. I ultimately ended up with a clarinet because I produced a squeak on first try. We were told that "girls don't usually like the brass as much," and "girls don't have the strength/air to play brass/drums, etc." Later, in high school, my band director (male) pushed me to play my bass clarinet, which I'd played the concert season before, during marching season--this despite the fact that I weighed 96 pounds and was so short the clarinet barely cleared the ground. We occasionally did have a female french horn or trumpet player, and I remember one female drummer who carried a very heavy set of bells (a sort of vertical, portable xylophone) during marching season. The gendered *rules* seemed to hold in general, even when size and weight issues might have dictated otherwise--thus, a bass clarinet (woodwind) and bells ("girl" percussion) were still "female" instruments, despite their weight; yet trumpets, french horns, and other, relatively lighter-weight instruments were pretty much off-limits; and *heavier* brass, such as trombones, alto horns and basses, were completely taboo because they were "too heavy." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:40:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Lanser Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: psteinha AT CYMBAL.AIX.CALPOLY.EDU -- Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:57:40 -0700 I am speculating but I would be willing to bet that music generally was the domain of males for a time. Drums are seen as masculine because they are traditionally the 'instruments' of war? Wonder, if I am correct, when and how women began to be associated with the flute, or violin, etc. BTW I have a son who plays the flute and he has a number of professional males to model. I would need to look a bit harder to find a professional female floutist with dozens of recordings to choose from.--mary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:00:33 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: d000wgsp@BSUVC.BSU.EDU Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments Another take on this discussion--a musician friend of mine (male) has frequently talked about this issue in a very different way. The string family, particularly the cello, is seen as very female based on its shape. Hence men who play cello (between their legs) are teased and tease about it being their woman, girlfriend, etc. On the other hand clarinet players and other straight, woodwinds, tease and get teased about playing with their own instrument (so to speak). To these musicians, at least, their instruments are very gendered, not in terms of who is allowed to play them but in terms of the qualities of the instruments themselves. Irene Goldman 00icgoldman@bsuvc.bsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:03:58 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shauna Lee Manning Subject: "gendering" of musical instruments When I was in band in highschool (early 70s) the flute, clarinet, oboe, were for girls; the saxophone, trumpet, drums, trombone, and tuba were for boys. I thought it interesting that where I grew up, any loud instrument or one that was held straight out from the body (trumpet, drums (as in during a parade), trombones, etc.) were masculine; quieter or higher octave instruments were feminine. Also, the feminine instruments always seemed to be held closer to the body or were held out sideways (flute, clarinet, violin). ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:24:51 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College" Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments To Everyone -- I forget who originally posted the request for references on the "gendering" of musical instruments. Many have responded, and I note that nobody has provided references -- maybe there are none? -- but EVERYONE has lots of good anecdotes, and there is a lot of consistency in instruments we were steered toward or away from (with the possible exception of the cello -- I always thought that was a "feminine" instrument). It strikes me that an excellent study of this issue could be done through interviews, questionnaires, and first-person accounts, even without any previous research writings. How many women have been steered away from playing the instrument they really wanted to play? Do men typically have the mirror-image experience of being steered away from "feminine" instruments, or is their range of choice wider? So many questions to ask! Do most people agree on what the criteria are by which instruments are categorized as "feminine" and "masculine" -- e.g. brass vs. woodwind, size, shape, loudness, low vs. high pitch, etc.? Confession: I discouraged my daughter from taking lessons on the baritone horm n -- mainly because I didn't want to be bothered with dragging the thing around. I wanted her to study something small enough that carrying it on the school bus wouldn't be a problem. (I think I would have made the same suggestio ns to a son.) She ended up with the violin, but didn't much like it. (Now plays guitar quite well. But a friend's son was introduced to the violin by my daughter's experience, fell in love with it, and is now playing in city-wide orchestras. A final anecdote: When I was in H.S. in the early 60's, girls weren't even allo wed to be in the marching band. Why? Well, it was obvious to the band director that girls could not possibly wear pants -- only skirts were appropriate attire -- and a row of marchers with skirts among the pants-legs would spoil the band's appearance. I swear the man gave that explanation publicly! And there were no out-raged protests, either. Sometimes I sit and shake my head in disbelief that things like that happened in my lifetime! -- Gina ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:16:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BARTLETT ANNE Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments Just to throw a curve into the discussion... =-) My husband plays the bagpipes, and many of his "fellow" band members are female (correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that from the Middle Ages at least, bagpipes have been among the *most* male- identified musical instruments). He tells me that women bagpipers have a long and venerable history in this century. At the University of Iowa, for example, which used to have a huge bagpipe band, the pipers were exclusively female in the 50's and 60's. many attribute the demographic demise of the organization to its going coed in the 70's. (I suspect there were lots of other factors involved, myself....) But early in the century, the band had a ROTC affiliation and it maintained this militaristic orientation up through the 70's. At the same time, competitive bagpiping at the professional level is virtually all male. My husband refers to it as "completely testosterone- driven," "a huge pissing contest." But at the parade/band level, there are lots of women pipers, of all ages and gender-identifications. Anne, who dutifully played the clarinet until she was only enough to get her hands on an electric guitar... Anne Clark Bartlett DePaul University engacb@orion.depaul.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:25:37 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bob Bender Subject: Re: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:59:03 -0400 from One of the things that does not seem to have come up in this discussion of Sesame St. is that while there are few female "monsters" or muppets (the class for Prairie Dawn), I can't think of ANY female friendships. There is on the other hand a fair amount of male bonding, Bert and Ernie perhaps the most obvious but not the only examples. Bob Bender engbob@mizzou1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:22:36 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ramona Morris Subject: Re: feminist fairy tales In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:29:04 EDT from <3AJA1@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> The Paper Bag Princess is written by Robert Munsch. I think his children's stories are among the best I've seen in my 20 months of motherhood, others tell me that the audio tapes can be annoying though. See also, "I love you forever " the story of a mother and son also by Munsch. Ramona Morris Dept. of Sociology, Small Groups Lab 2060 Vari Hall York University 4700 Keele Street North York, Ontario, Canada, M3J 1P3 REMORRIS@vm1.yorku.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:02:09 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lyn Ellen Burkett Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments Although I can't put my finger on any of them at the moment, there *are* studies on this topic in the field of music education. Some of the studies focus on how children choose an instrument when it is left entirely up to them. When that is the case, they tend to choose an instrument based on its shape and color rather than on its sound or "gender appropriateness." The type of music an instrument plays often has something to do with its "gendering." A trumpet, for example, has such a loud, bright sound quality that when it's played in an orchestra or band, one's attention is drawn to its sound; this isn't true for the flute; so supposedly, girls/women play the quiter instruments that tend to play supporting roles in the orchestra or band, just as women are expected to play suporting roles in society. Another explanation is that instruments frequently associated with jazz or rock music are more often played by boys/men, since jazz and rock are traditionally less acceptable outlets for women's musical gifts than classical music. I had a seminar a year or so ago where we spent quite a bit of time discussing this topic, and now I make a point of discussing it with my students every semester. When the students are first learning to read orchestal scores, I have them go down the list of instruments and try to picture the person who is playing each instrument. The stereotypes in relation to gender are amazingly consistent. It alwyas leads to an interesting discussion. Lyn Burkett **************************************************************************** Lyn Ellen Burkett "I shall continue to be an impossible person music theory so long as those who are now possible remain Indiana University possible." --Michael Bakunin (1814-1876) lburkett@ucs.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:07:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Wendy Heller Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments I am afraid I don't have the citations on hand, but there has been considerable work done by both art historians and musicologists on the visual imagery of male and female musicians in art--particularly in the Renaissance. For example, one frequently finds references to the lute as an allegorical representation of the womb. There are also references to music, men and women in Castiglione's Courtier. Wendy Heller wheller@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 08:16:16 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: for Jennifer O'Neal Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments I am a flute player and I was lucky to live in a different band environment My band director (a male) encouraged women to get away from the flute and clarinet. He encouraged women to play drums and saxophone. He considered sax to be a good choice for flute players because the fingerings are similar. He also had women as drum majors and if anyone had a problem with a female in that role he showed them the door. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:58:45 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Hunter Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406281140.HAA09298@holmes.umd.edu> from "Mary Lanser" at Jun 28, 94 07:40:00 am There is a book in German that addresses the question of women and instruments. It is Freia Hoffman, _Instrument und Koerper: Die musizierende Frau in der buergerliche Kultur_ (Insel Taschenbuch, 1991). I haven't read it, but it seems to concentrate on nineteenth and twentieth century European prescriptions and descriptions about proper musical behaviour for women; and as far as I can tell from a review, seems to describe many of the prejudices listmembers have indicated from their own experiences. Richard Leppert, in _Music and Image_, which concerns eighteenth-century English depictions of music making, identifies the flute as a primarily male instrument; piano, guitar and harp being the instruments most acceptable for women to play. (they show off the arm, they keep you sitting down and they don't involve indecent postures or funny faces). These prejudices remained in my all-girl British high school, in which no-one was allowed to play anything but piano and string instruments. My friend who played the flute was not allowed to play it in school. Another line of inquiry might identify not only the social expectations about who can play what, but how the instruments themselves are gendered by the players. B.B. King's guitar is "Lucille", for example. Mary Hunter mhunter@abacus.bates.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:31:38 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jerry Diakiw Subject: The Girl Child UNICEF Re :The Girl Child (Grades 7- Jr. College) UNICEF The Development Education Committee of UNICEF Ontario has produced a teaching resource entitled, The Girl Child: An Investment in the Future. It is comprised of a selection of resources around themes such as Education, Perceptions: How Girls See Themselves, Health and Nutrition, Sons or Daughters?(gender preferences), Girls and Career Choices, Young Brides and Teenage Mothers, and Girls and Social Injustices. The resource section contains maps, short stories, statistics, articles and poems from around the world that elicit debate and discussion around gender issues. This resource is useful for a variety of purposes from single item lesson discussions, to cooperative learning activities(jigsaw), as well as for developing units of study. It is also a great resource for stimulating independent study research. A second section includes a sample unit suitable for grades 7-10, based on the story of Anita: A Working Schoolgirl. UNICEF video resources on the girl child are also included. This new160 page resource is available for $15.00 Cdn. from UNICEF Ontario, 333 Eglington Ave. E Toronto, Ont. M4P 1L7 Tel (416) 487 4153 Fax (416)487 8875 If you write phone or fax your order they will bill you later. jerry diakiw jdiakiw@cosy.edu.yorku.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:20:34 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Marilyn P. Safir" Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <9406281502.AA09698@mx2.u.washington.edu> I'll add my own experience dating to either '48 or '49. I was feeling deprived as all my friends were studying piano. We didn't have room for one in our apartment. My uncle was a parttime marching band director and mother turned to him for suggestions. He suggested a flute. I remeber rejecting it outright as being "for boys" only. I have no idea as to where I got that idea. Perhaps from never seeing a woman play a flute in band and synphony concerts. Six years later my younger sister was given a cello to learn for the school ochestra. Marilyn (safirm@u.washington.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:34:00 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karen Kidd Subject: Re: Seeking dynamic feminist art speaker You might consider inviting Frances Pohl, who chairs the art department at Pomona College, here in Claremont, CA. I have been impressed by her work as an art historian (she gave an excellent paper on "The Ecstasy of St. Theresa" at an Am Acad of Religion conference I attended), and I have admired her art as well (her exhibit piece on "Tailhook" showed recently at the So Cal Women's Studies Conference at UC Irvine, and is absolutely gut-wrenching). You can reach her at (909) 621-8000 x2253. -- Karen Kidd The Claremont Grad School KKidd@rocky.claremont.edu P.S. I found myself in Eureka Springs AK while doing field work on my dissertation ("Smashing: the Life & Faith of Carry Nation"), and there met your retired Stetson Art Dept colleagues, Louis and Elsie Freund. What lovely people! They saved Carry's "Hatchet Hall" boarding house from demolition during the depression, and sent ME off with some priceless Carry Nation memorabilia! Louis is still active, and planning to donate an art wing to the local museum; Elsie had been ill, but was on the mend when I was there (last year). This reminds me, I need to write them and see how they're doing.... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:56:47 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GILLIAN RODGER Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments >From my memory of the music program at the girls high school I attended there were any number of instruments deemed not suitable (not by us, or the school, but by the education department that would not send us teachers for them). These included: brass, but especially the bigger brass instuments because (and I'm trying to remember accurately) of the way they were played--mouth pressed against a mouth piece. Flute and clarinet, on the other hand, were absolutely fine although bass clarinet was suspect. cell, for the obvious reason that one has to sit in a most un-ladylike fashion to play it, and also double bass for its size. percussion was fine, but orchestral percussion was more acceptable than drum kit (this might be musical snobbery more than anything else. piano was very acceptable (one gets to sit face on to the instument with ones knees together!). See early reports of female pianists in jazz bands. Many of the early ones were because men did not play it. There's some mention of this in a biography of Fats Waller I read once. singing was wonderfully acceptable, but the REALLY feminine girls were ALL sopranos. It was not good to be below a mezzo, and to like to sing fourths in a four part madrigal made one suspect. I also seem to remember oboe being not altogether respectable mostly because of the cheek muscles one needed to develop to play it, and that like brass instruments, one did not always look ones best while doing it. Looking at this now I do wonder how we managed to get an orchestra together. All of the girls at the school roundly resented the fact that we couldn't get more than one brass teacher despite the student needs for it, and there was also no double bass teacher allowed. And, of course the boys school (whoops, sorry) had all of these and more. I also found these biases in teacher training college, but some of the best musicians were women on instruments that were "not respectable" and it was not unusual for their male competitors to assume they were lesbians, often incorrectly, because of their chioce of instument. Hope this helps, Gillian Rodger Music Department University of Pittsburgh gmrst8@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:57:38 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lin collette Subject: appropriation of Native American culture Please forgive me for sending this to this list but I can't seem to find the citation for this: I believe there was an article in MS. magazine in 1990 or 1991 with a title similar to "To those who were Indian in another life." I have checked the issues of Ms. at my library but can't find the article, and can't get a good citation from the databases I've checked. Does anyone know of this article? I think it has to do with "new age" and goddess spiritual practices that appro- priate Native American spirituality. Please send the citation to me at Bi599128@brownvm.brown.edu. Many thanks to you--this list is a great resource. lin collette bi599128@brownvm.brown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:04:23 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Roberta C. Martin" Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:57:40 -0700 from Interesting, Paula, about the male cello. In my house in the 50's stringed instruments were satisfactorily feminine, but anything one blew into was somehow a gender bender. Robin Martin. Roberta C Martin, assistant professor East Carolina University English GCB 2112 Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 757-6721 Bitnet: ENMARTIN@ECUVM1 Internet: ENMARTIN@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:11:59 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Regina S. Moore" Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406280256.WAA07242@holmes.umd.edu> When I arrived at the University of Maryland in 1964 I looked forward to playing in the marching band. I had played bells in highschool because my main instrument was piano and I could adapt reasonably well. Unfortunately a new badn director had arrived from Univ. of Mich. in the recent past and decreed that no women were allowed in the band, only the color guard (equivalent of cheerleaders), because they would mess up the military appearance of the band. I wonder how that would play today? Regina Moore ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:15:32 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robin L. Roth" Subject: Query A couple of years ago I read something about a "Feminist University" being started, I believe, in Finland or Norway - anyway does anyone have any information on this? Please respond privately. Thanks. JEP Les-Roth@Flo.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:02:44 -0400 Reply-To: Rosemary Gianno Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosemary Gianno Subject: Re: gendering of musical instruments When I was in Junior High School, back in the 60s, I desperately wanted my parents to buy me a set of drums but they refused, not, interestingly, because I was a girl but because of the potential noise level. Instead, my mother suggested that I join the drum, fife and bugle corps at my church, which I did. In this band all the fife players were girls, the bugle players boys and the drums were mostly ..... girls. Most of us were girls. Even the bass drum player. I don't remember anyone trying to explain why that was although I do remember thinking it was odd at the time. I was also *very* happy with the circumstances. Think of how different my experience would have been been if all the drummers had been male. I might not even have gone through with it. In regard to some of the comments I've been reading it seems like the gendering of instruments can often go either way depending on what attributes are focussed upon. It may also be an historical thing where a particular gender will come to dominate a particular instruments because of an odd conglomeration of individuals, like me. After that, the instruments becomes associated with that gender and those of the other shy away from it unless they are really driven and desperate. Rosemary Gianno rgianno@keene.edu Keene State College, NH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:38:39 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kirilka Stavreva Subject: Broadview Anthology: suggestions requested (fwd) Forwarded from FICINO with a special request for attention to all the 'renaissance women' on WMST-L. Katy Stavreva english, U of Iowa ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:52:27 -0700 From: Alan Rudrum To: Multiple recipients of list FICINO Subject: Broadview Anthology: suggestions requested I am preparing, for the Broadview Press, an anthology of 17th Century (non-dramatic) verse and prose, for use in university courses. Special consideration is being given to work by women; to politically significant writing; and to work relating to contacts between Europe and the New World. Please let me know what you would like to see in such an anthology; also how heavily annotated you consider classroom materials should be (I have sometimes found my practice as an editor at odds with my preferences as a teacher). Please respond to me directly, and please cross-post. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Alan Rudrum, Dept of English, Simon Fraser University, British Columbia, Canada V5A 1S6 rudrum@sfu.ca Telephone (604) 263-7321(H); (604)291-3125(O) Fax (604) 291-5737 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:37:49 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: B G Voertman Subject: FAIRY TALES I have written and produced, in collaboration with Barbara J. Lien (composer), 2 act musical based on Little Red Ridding Hood, Cinderella, Snow White, and Beauty (of the Beast). The first act retell the stories with a feminist view of what they are about. The secon act finds them thrown together in the woods after having left their respective homes and/or prince Charmings because they all got married for the wrong reasons. The rest is about their trying to get "Out of the Woods" (title) and the obstacles put in their way by the "powers that be" who find it more convenient to keep them in the woods where they belong. It's very theatrical, practical for low budget production, and very funny. (At least the audience laughs a lot.) If anyon is interested in seeing a script, let me know. VOERTMAN@AC.GRIN.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:55:51 -0700 Reply-To: Scott Kerlin Sender: Women's Studies List From: Scott Kerlin Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406281707.NAA13277@holmes.umd.edu> To anyone who has been following this discussion, I'd like to recommend another list where gender issues and music might be a lively discussion topic. It's CLASSM-L, the classical music listserv based at Brown University. Having been a member for some time, I can confirm that the members enjoy much dialogue on women's issues in classical music. Among other topics, we have discussed women conductors and composers, spouses of famous composers (such as Alma Mahler), and the influence of many females in classical music in spite of their relative obscurity. To join CLASSM-L, send e-mail to: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU And send in the message line, SUB CLASSM-L . Be prepared for a lot of mail, so if you don't want 50 to 100 pieces per day, use the digest option... Scott Kerlin, Ph.D. Classican music enthusiast and educational researcher ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:03:02 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gaea Honeycutt Subject: Channel One% This message is being sent to multc-ed, socpol-l, wisenet, and wmst-l. Hello. The WEEA Publishing Center is looking for information on Channel One, an educational channel designed for classroom use. We are most interested on discussions of diversity, gender equity, and the impact of the channel itself. Any first hand accounts are welcome as well as suggestions for experts on children's television and initiatives like Channel One. Gaea Honeycutt Women's Educational Equity Act (WEEA) Publishing Center Education Development Center, Inc. 55 Chapel Street Suite 275 Newton, MA 02158 800/225-3088; in MA, 617/969-7100 WEEAPUB@EDC.ORG ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:56:13 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GILLIAN RODGER Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments See Julia Eklund Koza's article "Music and the Feminine Sphere: Images of Women as Musicians in Godey's Lady's Book, 1830-1877," _Musical Quarterly_ 75/2 (Summer 1991): 103-129. In it she examines the ways in which music is depicted in a 19th C women's magazine, and also looks at the question of which instruments/music is deemed more suitable. A very interesting article. Gillian Rodger Music Department University of Pittsburgh gmrsyt8@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:42:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ann Mussey Subject: ref. request--"backwoods" women I find myself in the unlikely position of coming up with a story which will provide relief to the stories of rugged Alaskan explorers (white, male, of course) that I will encounter at an evening of story reading. Don't ask the rest of the details. In previous years, participants have read from an author, whose name I can't remember, who write of hard-drinking, hard- living men in the Alaskan "wilderness." I'm sorry, this was a writer who i believe was published in the 1920s and 30s. The stories were intended to be humorous, humor mostly at the expense of women and indigenous peoples. I need to find some stories that I would be willing to read that would not offend my feminist, anti-racist sensibilities that might be engaging for a general audience--and entertaining, as well. I have no knowledge of this genre. Any ideas. Respond privately unless you think this might be of general interest. Thanks. Ann Mussey mussey@zodiac mussey@zodiac.rutgers.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:03:03 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tara Elizabeth Washburn Subject: ? feminist thesaurus reference > I am writing a curriculum unit on work in Japan, and am looking > for the feminist/non-gendered term equivalent to "middlemen". > Does anyone have anyone suggestions or a feminist thesaurus to recommend? > > Please respond privately. > washburn@leland.Stanford.EDU > > Thank-you, > Tara Washburn > Stanford Project on International and Cross-Cultural Education > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:06:45 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:25:37 CDT from about 20 years ago at a conference on sesame st, with producers, directors, etc doing the presentation, i commented that every frame of the shows that we were shown was sexist, stereotyped for gender roles. the sesame st. folks didn't see it and haven't gotten it yet. time for a campaign? from academics who analyze and recommend, parents, and others, maybe get FAIR into it we might make a dent. i've checked programs out occasionally recently, stereotyping is alive an d sick. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:24:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: Women's Freedom Network Hello folks. Can anyone refer me to any articles about the Women's Freedom Network? A search through my library's current newspaper etc. database didn't turn up a thing, much to my surprise. Many thanks. D. -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:26:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Zoya Fansler Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments I would like to second Scott Kerlin's suggestion that the discussion of "gendering" of musical instruments be continued off-list -- either on CLASSM-L or privately. Sharing anecdotes may be helpful to some researchers of this subject, but *not* everyone is interested in this topic. The discussion has moved away from the women's-studies teaching focus of this list. If only ten percent of the subscribers to this list shared their childhood experiences with choice of band instruments, the list would be overwhelmed with messages! Please respect everyone on the list by sharing only those items which are useful to many, not a few. Sincerely, Zoya Fansler Interim Listowner fansler@umbc2.umbc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:48:39 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Stearns Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406281403.KAA10484@holmes.umd.edu> from "Shauna Lee Manning" at Jun 28, 94 10:03:58 am > > When I was in band in highschool (early 70s) the flute, > clarinet, oboe, were for girls; the saxophone, trumpet, > drums, trombone, and tuba were for boys. > My experience both supports and challenges this pattern. I started playing a band instrument in 4th grade (late 70s), and played it through middle school (I even won a solo ribbon). (My mother also tried to interest me in the piano, and I took some lessons, but I gave it up after a year or so.) In middle school, I recall that boys played brass and drums, mostly, and girls played woodwins (the most popular instruments were drums and clarinet--there were maximum quotas on each--and drums were popular with boys and clarinet with girls). So the overall pattern fits: boys play large, loud instruments, and girls play quiet, smaller instruments. On the other hand, I played a baritone horn from fourth grade on. If you have never seen this, it looks like a small tuba and sounds like a cross between a trumpet and a trombone. I wanted to play the trombone, but my arms were too short at the time, and my father wanted me to play trumpet, but I found the size of the mouthpiece daunting (it takes quite an ombrochure). So I compromised and played the baritone, and no one ever discouraged me from doing so, as far as I recall. There were lots of jokes about the instrument being bigger than I was, but no discouragement. [My best (female) friend in high school played a french horn in the marching band, too.] I wonder whether size and weight are part of the gender patterns here--perhaps it is believed that girls couldn't carry those heavy brass instruments (particularly in marching band)? Obviously not true, but given prevalent beliefs of female physical weakness, it might account for this pattern. Deborah Stearns stearns@cattell.psych.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:00:27 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kim L. Gunning" Subject: Query: Latin Am. feminism For a course on the history of feminism, I am looking for primary sources to give students, besides the European and United States materials I have collected thus far. My knowledge of Latin American women's writing is limited to fairly recent stuff--does anyone know of any essays, poems, speeches, etc. written between 1780-1960? (The course is a history of both feminist ideas and feminist movements--defined broadly to include organizing around labor issues, social welfare reform, sexuality, etc., not just suffrage.) Please reply privately unless you think the whole list is interested. Thanks! Kim Gunning kgunning@eden.rutgers.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:24:30 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Wendy Denton Subject: Re: "gendering" of musical instruments In-Reply-To: <199406280201.WAA06700@holmes.umd.edu> My mother wouldn't let me play the cello because it was "suggestive." I suppose because it was held between the knees...I ended up with the violin. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 22:00:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Chesen Subject: Re: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. Since I have not had the occasion to watch Sesame Street during the past fifteen years, would you please explain the type of sexist behavior that is exhibited by its characters. Thanks, Judy