WMST-L LOG9402A ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 00:21:07 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: including feminism in core I am responding to Patty O'Donnell's post about including feminist material in core courses, which for her has meant lower student evaluations. I have to say first that I have "failed" in this endeavor myself as I lost my contract renewal application this year on the basis of student evaluations, largely because I "tried to shove my radical feminism down students' throats." One bit of supportive advice that was given to me, that I didn't follow up on (at least not enough) was to get your institution behind you in some way, particularly if it has some commitment (even if only on paper) to "diversity" issues. Don't try to go it alone. For example, if there are any "male feminists" around, get them to speak in your classes. I know, one hates to yield to the value system that requires male support in order to legitimate anything, but that's the system you are being judged within and you alone can't change it. Evaluations of teaching do not have to come only from students. I am inferring from your post that you are a graduate student. I don't know about your field but in my field, student evaluations are rarely asked for at the entry level. But even if they are there are ways around it. Just send your best, even if it's only one class. If need be, teach one course where you tone the feminism down a bit. Also, when a job announcement asks for "evidence of teaching effectiveness" there are many different kinds of evidence to be provided, including course syllabi, exams, other teaching materials. Also, you can have colleagues observe you teaching and write up their observations to include in your evaluations. Have them observe you particularly when you are teaching your strongest feminist material. (One assumes, of course, that these are supportive colleagues. If you're completely out on a limb with no external support at all for what you're doing, I'd say back off until you are in a more secure position.) Are you the ONLY person in the dept. bringing these issues into the curriculum? If so, that's very dangerous (believe me, I know). Then you stick out like a sore thumb. However, I knew that my commitments were likely to get me into deep trouble and I went ahead anyway because if I had to teach the standard way there just wasn't any point, as far as I am concerned. What I would do different is that I would spend more time getting colleagues' support (not everyone, just enough to carry some weight against those evaluations). I would have given more attention to identifying potential mentors and developing relationships with them. One thing I've learned is that student evaluations really don't matter in the long run. They only matter if your colleagues don't like you. If they like you, they'll ignore bad ones. If they don't like you and you have GOOD evaluations, they'll ignore THEM, too. If they want to get rid of you they will find some way to do it, and evaluations are easy to use, since they come with numbers attached and everyone knows numbers are objective, right? I would also recommend that you read Paula J. Caplan's _Lifting a Ton of Feathers: A Woman's Guide to Surviving in the Academic World_ (U Toronto Press 1993). Indeed, it should be required reading for any woman even contemplating an academic career. Good luck! Georgia NeSmith Assistant Professor Communication Dept. SUNY Brockport Brockport NY 14420 gnesmith@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 01:14:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Stearns Subject: Re: including feminism in core In-Reply-To: <199402010540.AAA16425@umd5.umd.edu> from "Georgia NeSmith" at Feb 1, 94 00:21:07 am I have one suggestion for the dilemma of including feminist materials that hasn't been posted yet, although I can't say how useful it would be in a truly hostile environment. I teach feminist theories and research in my psychology courses the way I teach all theories and research--as a place for critical thinking. I encourage students to disagree with their reading or with me, provided they can do so in a scholarly way--that is, supply critiques of methodology or theory or contradictory empirical evidence. In general, I try to teach potentially "hot" topics as a debate--if students disagree with a theory I am teaching, then I try to get them to elaborate on the theory and make it work, and then I put it up on the board as an alternative, and we discuss it. How would we test this theory? What are the problems with it--what are the assumptions? If we can maintain a scholarly debate, and not fall into name-calling or flat disagreement without substance, then I feel that I can include political material without "ramming it down their throats"; I can even make their dissention part of the exercise of critical thinking. If I can make a contentious student really think through his/her disagreement and come up with a real critique, then I believe that student has thought more about the theory than they would have if I hadn't taught it, which is all I can ask, in many cases! If your course is not discussion oriented, you might try introducing common criticisms into your lecture--teach the theory and then put up some of the critiques and what they imply, etc. Make it a debate, rather than a truism. I think students get most upset when "political" material is taught as fact, since it may contradict their views of the world and they suspect it as biased. But if you can teach it as possibility, then I think they are freer to think about it without being quite so threatened by it. So far, it has worked for me, but I am still new to teaching, and I am in a reasonably supportive environment. Still, I hope it helps. Good luck! Deborah Stearns stearns@cattell.psych.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 07:41:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: judy long Subject: jokes I want to thank people for their thoughtful contributions on jokes. i am just catching up with this discussion and would like to add one thought; while not disagreeing with the need to limit volume on the list, I do disgree with the idea that data/ideas for research are off-limits. Jokes are one example of data i might want to pull off the list, but another is a continuing volume of what i read as backlash narratives, something I am intensely interested in. As my thinking, or readiness to develop this into "real" research, matures I can contact persons who have contributed to the discussion on the list and, while remaining within list/confi protocol, dialogue with them privately. So I thank those who push the limits of the list --for me it counteracts any tendency to become stodgy and think that we already know what are the 'legitimate' topics for feminist inquiry. --JUDY LONG, SOCIOLOGY DEPARTMENT, SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY -- --103 SIMS IV, SYRACUSE, NY 13244-1230, USA (315)443-4580 -- --Bitnet: JLONG@SUVM Internet: JLONG@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 08:07:16 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Karen R. Grant" Subject: Academic Freedom and the Inclusive University Dear WMST-Listers, Over the last few weeks, there has been some discussion about issues that touch on academic freedom and inclusivity (e.g. hostility to curriculum that is feminist in nature, and the issue of the ways that the teaching and learning environment is hostile, harassing, or chilly). The most recent message to this effect was a few days ago, in which the case at the University of New Hampshire was detailed for us. I am writing on behalf of the Status of Women Committee of the Canadian Association of University Teachers. This Committee has been working over the last year or more, in developing a position statement on academic freedom and the inclusive university. Later this spring (April), a special supplement to the CAUT Bulletin will be published, which includes the Status of Women Committee position paper (authored by Janice Drakich, Marilyn Taylor and Jennifer Bankier). In addition, a number of reactions/responses to the SWC paper will be included. Our intent is to widen the debate and discussion of academic freedom. If you are interested in obtaining a copy of the Bulletin supplement, please send the following information to me, PRIVATELY: Name: Affiliation: Address (including postal/zip code): This Supplement will NOT be available in electronic format. Hard copies will be send once the Supplement is produced. For Canadian WMST-Listers, send a message only if you do not receive the CAUT Bulletin. Karen R. Grant (for the CAUT SWC) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Karen R. Grant, Ph.D. Department of Sociology "If we cannot now end our University of Manitoba differences, at least we can Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 2N2 help make the world safe for (204) 474 9831 (office) diversity." (204) 275 5781 (fax) -John Fitzgerald Kennedy KGRANT@CC.UManitoba.CA %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:03:23 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joya Misra Organization: Emory University - Atlanta, Georgia, USA Subject: Re: inclusive teaching, again... In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 31 Jan 1994 19:15:00 EST from Patty & everyone else, I know this thread has come up before when we've talked about students that are resistant, but I thought I'd re-mention it. Some of students' resistance does seem to come from their perceptions of YOU as an individual -- do you conform to their idea of what a "woman" should be, are you "warm," "nurturing," etc. One of the ways that I directly confront this issue is to begin my classes talking about what the students expect to get out of a class, their professors, and talk about the kinds of gender biases which often emerge when research is done on the subject. This seems to get students on "my" side, some of you may remember I actually have students in one of my classes do research and present results on these kinds of gender biases. I also allow everyone to speak their piece -- both conservatives and more liberal students. I don't personally "take on" the conservative students, try to argue them down, I just throw it back out to the class, and let them take one another on. This seems to give me more credibility (not squashing them before they have a chance to really elucidate their points), and then when I sum up the discussion I usually am able to make clear which points I think are most useful. Best! Joya Misra SOCAK663@EMUVM1.BITNET OR SOCAK663@EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU ********************************************************************* Dept. of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 09:27:52 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Barbara J. Peters" Subject: Re: including feminism in core Date sent: 1-FEB-1994 09:18:24 I teach race/ethnicity, disabilities, gender, and class in every course that I teach. I do get comments on my feminism, but considering I am in an extremely conservative area, they are not as many as I would have expected. There are several things that I do. First, I ask the students for definition of feminist and male bashing. I write them on the board. I give a simple definition of a feminist. Then, I talk about all of the different kinds of feminist theory there are. That sets the parameters. I also illustrate the movement for rights by using my disability. I talk to them about how difficult it is to get into some buildings. I then say because I want a way to get into the building does not mean that I don't want the temporarily able-bodied in there with me. It is not a zero sum game. The students do seem to grasp this and so far it has worked. The most negative comment (which could be a positive) was: "Strong feminist. Wants us to think her way." I also ask the students to support there counters to statements made contradicting some research on race/ethnicity/class/gender and so forth. They must support empirically and not say, "My uncle know someone who..." Hope this helps. BARBARA PETERS University of Wisconsin Oshkosh Dept. of Sociology Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54901 (414) 424-0848 Bitnet Address peters@oshkoshw.bitnet Internet Address peters@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:46:43 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: Where do they learn...? I think that so long as feminism was confined to a marginal movement, and the women's studies programs were staffed by feminists, we could have some illusion of control over what was being disseminated, but now that feminist ideas have moved from the realm of the few on the vanguard to the expectations of the masses, we not longer have that control. In other words, it isn't NOW and Ms and National Women's Political Caucus anymore, but truck drivers who want their daughters to get paid salaries equal to those of men. OBVIOUSLY, not all truck drivers but a significant enough number that the expectations of women in our society are changing. I teach Latin American history, and what drives me wild is the amount of disinformation that is out there about Latin America. At the same time, I re- cognize that I cannot control it, I can only influence my small corner of the world through my teaching. Feminism is, I believe, moving to that place where the diversity of what is considered feminism is, on one hand, so broad and on the other hand, the ideas have spread so widely that many people do not recog- nize them as being necessarily feminist. The potential richness for the feminist scholars is great, because the dissemination of ideas can lead to greater debate by a large number of people over them, things perhaps that we in the academy have not considered. I think it should strengthen the women's studies programs for feminist ideas to be considered the province of the many instead of the eccentricity of the few. Rosa Maria Pegueros PEGUEROS@URIACC.URI.EDU Dept. of History University of Rhode Island ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:54:27 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Re: including feminism in core It is interesting to hear of others' experiences with including feminist scholarship in courses whh are not explicitly feminist. I know that I can count upon getting some number (small, but significant & noticeable) of complaints about "failing to keep my personal opinions out of the classroom" on teaching evaluations just for including Carol Gilligan in the syllabus of my Intro Ethics class. The students who complain constitute NOWHERE NEAR a majority, but on a campus which is extremely interested in "teaching excellence" and where the primary tool for measuring that is the Teaching Evaluation, even a small number of students circling "POOR" on the Evaluation form can have a significant effect on Junior Faculty's employment status. Notice that the (much higher percentage of male) senior faculty are untouched by such feedback; it is the untenured Junior faculty (where the percentage of women is higher) who are most affected by such Evaluation policies and student responses. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:21:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Laura.Julier" <21798JUL@MSU.BITNET> Subject: doris lessing query In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 31 January 1994 7:51pm ET I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list-- What is currently the most acceptable way to refer to Doris Lessing--South African? Rhodesian? British? I need to identify her for an entry I'm writing for a reference book on women's literature. Please respond privately: 21798JUL@msu.edu Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:25:47 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marjanne Gooze' Subject: Re: including feminism in core In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:54:27 LCL from Including feminism, as well as issues of race, class, ethnicity in core courses should be one of our goals. Unfortunately, the voices of the few discontented are emphasized over the majority of most classes, who welcome the inclusion of such material. Even in conservative areas, students can be open to curricula w hich are inclusive. One of the key problem areas is evaluations and how they a re interpreted by dept. heads, colleagues, etc. I am interested in knowing if anyone is studying the discrepencies in student and peer evaluations between ma le and female faculty, and for faculty who identify themselves as feminists? I have my own anedoctal evidence on this. One thing to keep in mind is: students are not used to seeing inclusive curr icula, and if your course approaches parity of material (let's just say in term s of actual population), students may respond with comments such as,"everything we read was by women." Discussing this with your students, explaining your ch oices and why you made them is helpful both in preventing comments, and more im portantly as a learning experience for the students. Marjanne E. Gooze' Dept. of Germanic and Slavic Langs. University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Telephone: Office: (706) 542-2450; Home: (706) 549-2831 E-Mail: MGOOZE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 08:47:35 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Theresa <60840883@WSUVM1.BITNET> Subject: Re: including feminism in core In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:25:47 EST from I also always include feminist thought into my teaching; I teach literature. I n fact, at the moment, I am teaching a survey class in lit. in English and Amer ican literatures since 1800. It has a required list of readings formulated by this department sometime in the 1970s. The list is not really long, and has so me leeway--mostly in the twentieth century--so I have been able to make changes toward the side of fairness. The list is focused on the nineteenth century mos tly, so I almost leave that area to the dead white male authors, incorporating what I can of men of color and women. In the twentieth century, however, I hav e not added any white men to the list except where the Nortons leave no choice (as in drama). This means that modernism is taught through an examination of t he Harlem Renaissance and that post-1945 literature is represented by postcolon ial voices and women of color. (Lists can be turned to advantage.) My students are very happy--though one woman was dismayed that we have to read the Romanti cs, and all were annoyed with their elitist, moneyed positions! In fact, I was more in trouble for trying to defend them than for trying to undermine their ce ntral position on the reading list! Many of my students argue that we need poe try that speaks about the "real" issues of the 19th-century! I can't say that students resist my feminism. Yet, this university is consider ed very conservative (and is very conservative!). Of course, the demographics here show we are white and Catholic and farmers....so shouldn't we be less incl ined to listen to feminists? Yet my classroom is mostly white males and they a ll want to talk about working class, and women, and postcolonial, and non-white literatures. Go figure. ;*) P. S. Everyone loved Keats, though. Probably because his father was an ostler. :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:56:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LEA MAYBERRY Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon 31 Jan 1994 21:20:16 -0500 To: Christine Sue-Chan That is what some of us are trying to do with a first step. I am currently wor king on a comparison of feminist pedagogy and adult andragogy to show both "hou ses" in acadmia that have come common educational goals. I find more resistanc e from the feminist camp then that of adult education camp--who seem more than willing to help "spread-the-word" so to speak. I hope to complete an article f or publishing on this as well as develop a course for the community college set ting utlizing both "camps." lea mayberry ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:21:25 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Naples Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn In-Reply-To: <199402010252.VAA01986@umd5.umd.edu> I beg to differ with Christine Sue-Chan. I cannot see how we can separate a thorough understanding and exploration of different feminisms from the so-called "image problem". In fact, I believe it is the complex ways the media and others invested in the status quo dialogue with, react to and reshape feminist theory and practice that contributes to the backlash. The backlash does not occur within a vacuum. By explicating these complex processes we can better understand and respond to the contradictory aspects of backlash (which itself is not a cohesive whole, but a complex of different responses to feminist challenges). In intro to women's studies classes, I find that as students deepen their appreciation for the history and practice of feminist theory and politics, they develop more sophisticated analyses of backlashes. In my course this semester (social perspectives in women's studies), I decided to orient the course towards the political theories and practices of feminisms and included a group community action project as a required component of the course. In this way, the students begin to see the connection between theory and practice in a more concrete, experiential context. It's too soon to report on the success of this approach, but to date it appears to be working. The lower division undergraduate course at UCI is also a breadth requirement/diversity requirement and many students are not "already converted". I believe that the work we do in such courses can serve as labs for learning how best to educate against anti-feminist theories and practices. Nancy Naples (nnaples@uci.edu) On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, Christine Sue-Chan wrote: > With the exception of Hal Frank's very practical and actionable response, > I don't see how any of the solutions suggested by respondents to Ruth > Ginzberg's query can help to educate the public and students not enrolled > in Women's Studies courses. As has already been pointed out, teaching more > feminist theory to the already "converted" who do voluntarily enrol in > Women's Studies courses now will not serve to fight, what I perceived to be > a theme running through the responses, the perceived backlash against feminism. > > Rather than worry about teaching enough theory or how negatively feminists > and feminisms are currently depicted in the media, why not forget about > theory, forget about the ideological differences among the different flavours > of feminism and recognize that the greatest challenge facing feminism today > is an image problem. The issue is how to transform all the negative > stereotypes associated with feminism into positive ones. Hal Frank's > suggestions are a first step in this direction. A second step would be > for academic feminists to enlist the aid of women who are exemplars > of the success achieved by the feminist movement of the 70s - women in > corporate America and Canada. > > My perception is that this second step has not been done, is not being done > and needs to be done for the mutual benefit of both groups. Neither group > will succeed in achieving its objectives if the status quo continues: > Corporate women who perceive academic feminist as radicals and who, > consequently, do not or refuse to self-identify as feminists, and academic > feminists who perceive corporate women to be sell-outs to the corporate > patriarchy. The reality is that corporate women are now earning the > dollars that Women's Studies programs now need to survive. > > Rather than remain a divided house, isn't it time for unity? > > Christine Sue-Chan > Ph.D. Candidate > Faculty of Management > University of Toronto > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 12:45:13 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAME\"Janice M. Bogstad\"" Subject: Call for Proposals, Wmn and Science Conf, WISCONSIN Call for Proposals: Women's Studies Consortium Presents the 19th University of Wisconsin System Women's Studies Conference: Proposals from outside the UW System are also invited. WOMEN SHAPING SCIENCE, THE ENVIRONMENT, SOCIETY: IMAGES, ACTIVISM, TRANSFORMATION To be held at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, Nov. 10-12, 1994 (overlapping one day with the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction's Equity and Multicultural Education Convention.) GUEST SPEAKERS INCLUDE: Sandra Harding, Karen Warren, Andy Smith. The conference will focus on science and technology and their effects on women's lives, including Health Care, Government Agencies, Environmental and Science Policy makers, Environmental Activists, Scientists and Engineers, V Vocational/Technical College Faculty, Staff and Students, K-12 teachers. We encourage proposals of interest to a wide audience engaged with issues of science, technology, the environment and their relevance to women. Suggestions for topics include: Teaching Science and Math to women and girls, transforming the science curriculum, facilitating entrance of women and girls into science careers, positive and negative aspects of being a woman scientiss, history of women in science, feminist critiques of science, eco-feminism, how science controls society, science literacy, information technologies, chaos theory, images of women and science in literature, science and poetry, feminist science fiction/utopia, feminist research methodologies, women's health issues, confronting the medical establishment, controlling women's bodies, women and environmental activism, alternative/indigenous approaches to women's health, women-third world development and the environment. You may submit proposals for entire sessions/panels or for individual presentations that we will combine into panels. Proposals will be evaluated by the Program Committee with decisions communicated by May 16, 1994 based on quality, relevance to the conference theme(although this is not required, and relevance to the conferences' dual audience of activists and academics. To submit a proposal, either use the form below or write to the indicated address for futher information and/or a paper copy of the form. FORMS MAY BE MAILED TO THE ADDRESS BELOW, FAXED ((414) 595-2630) OR EMAILED (FACASTAT@VM.UWP.EDU) Complete this form and return by March 7, 1994 to: Anne Statham or Clare Weber, UW-Parkside Women's Studies, 900 Wood Road, Box 2000, Kenosha, WI 53141-2000 Title of panel/paper/presentation:_______________________________ Name:___________________________________________________________ Position and affiliation_________________________________________ Address:_________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Business Phone (___)_____________ Home Phone (___)_____________ Sessions will be organized all day Friday, Nov 11 and part of Sat, Nov 12. Are any of these times impossible for you? If so, please indicate here:___________________________ Are you particularly interested in having your session be part of the November 10 overlap day with the DPI Equity Committee? Most sessions will run between 75 and 90 minutes, will your proposal fit this format YES___ NO___ If no, how much time do you need? ________ Will you need audio-visual aids? Please specify Are you interested in moderating a session? Yes___ No___ Please check if you don't want to give a conference paper but would like to be sent a conference brochure_________. Be sure to indicate your mailing address. Proposal Abstract: (200-300 words) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 13:04:15 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Stephanie Riger Subject: scholars in China Peg Strobel (Prof of History and Women's Studies at Univ of Il at Chicago) will be in the People's Republic of China (Beijing, Shanghai, and Jiangsu Province) in April, 1994. She would like the names and addresses of scholars interested in women and gender whom she may contact about meeting during this trip. Send information directly to Peg Strobel at u43611@uicvm.bitnet. If that address doesn't work, send a message to me and I will forward it to her. Stephanie Riger Women's Studies Program (M/C 360) Univ. of Il. at Chicago 1022 Behavioral Sciences Building 1007 W. Harrison St. Chicago, Il. 60607-7137 Bitnet: u29322@UICVM Internet: Stephanie.Riger@uic.edu Fax: 312-413-4122 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 14:14:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Format for Messages (User's Guide) Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin "Revision:". Here is section one, on the format one should use when sending messages to WMST-L: ******************** 1) "IS THERE A PREFERRED FORMAT TO USE FOR MESSAGES SENT TO THE LIST (I.E., TO WMST-L@UMDD OR WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU)?" Yes. First of all, ALWAYS put your name and e-mail address at the end of every posting. (It is important that people be able to contact you privately if they wish, and some mail systems do not identify the writer anywhere in the header.) Also, please include a MEANINGFUL subject heading, so that people will know whether your message deals with a topic of interest to them. (MANY people automatically delete messages with no subject heading or with one that doesn't interest them.) Finally, if you are replying to someone else's posting, BRIEFLY quote or summarize that posting before you offer your reply. Doing so will make your message clearer and avoid confusion. (New subscribers are continually joining the list; they may not have read the original message. And since a number of topics are often being discussed on the list at any given moment, even long-time subscribers may not remember what prompted your remarks unless you remind them.) NOTE: if you're replying to a long message, do NOT quote it in its entirety! Include just a few relevant lines. ******************* Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 14:35:02 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: d000wgsp@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU Subject: research on Asian and Native American women and crime I am posting this for a colleague who is putting together a course on race, ethnicity, and gender in criminal justice. She is looking for research particularly on Asian and Native American women as both victims and perpetrators of crime in the U.S. Please sent them to me privately and I'll pass them along. Thanks. Irene Goldman 00ICGOLDMAN@BSUVC.BSU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 22:33:17 +0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eileen Boris Subject: sex industry and unemployment One of my students would like to know about literature relating women's unemployment to prostitution and other aspects of the "sex industry." She is looking into the topic in Finland but needs sources. I can only supply some very historical ones. Please reply privately. Thank you. Eileen Boris Renvall Institute, Bicentennial Chair in American Studies University of Helsinki P.O. Box 4 (Vuorikatu 6 A 4) 00014 Univ. of Helsinki Finland Eileen.Boris@Helsinki.Fi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 17:18:11 AST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: <01FEB94.16952597.0183.MUSIC@UNB.CA> From: CARMEN POULIN Subject: Speaker on power dynamic in the clas In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 08 NOV 1993 09:50:14 AST Could anyone suggest names of individuals who could give a workshop on the general topic of "Power Dynamics in the classroom". Gendered power, power differentials between students and professors, as well as inequity in power between different ethnic groups are all topics which need to be addressed. Canadian names would be especially welcome so that the specificity of the Canadian context might be addressed. We would also appreciate any specific information about the abilities of the possible speakers/workshop presentors to reach her/ his audience effectively. This workshop will be sponsored by our Teaching Centre and the participants will be faculty and TA's. Please respond privately to mbcp@unb.ca Thank you very much for your help. Carmen Poulin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 16:29:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert W. Jensen" Subject: query about a writer i am posting this for a friend not on the list. she is trying to locate the author of an unpublished manuscript and has run out of leads. the author of said manuscript is kristina stellas, and my friend knew her in great barrington, mass., a couple of years ago. any help in locating ms. stellas would be appreciated. please respond privately to elvia arriola school of law university of texas earriola@msmail.law.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 15:30:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Morrow Subject: Request for Anecdotes: Women in Grad School I am collaborating on a paper in which a student wants to address issues related to women's experiences applying for, entering, and being in graduate programs. We are particularly interested in subtle and not-so-subtle remarks and behaviors that create a less-than-favorable environment for women entering academe. Also of interest are experiences when graduate students want to focus on women's or feminist issues. The student here hopes to write a vignette that is a composite of many women's experiences. The paper will be submitted to a journal for counselor educators and supervisors. Respond to me privately, please, and include your area of study and permission to quote. Please don't send anything that could prove risky to you if it were published in a counseling journal. Thanks! Sue Morrow =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Sue Morrow Internet: MORROW@GSE.UTAH.EDU Dept. of Educational Psychology 327 Milton Bennion Hall University of Utah Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 581-3400 FAX: (801) 581-5566 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:57:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chris Delbes Organization: The American University Subject: Center for Compliance Information I have received terrific leads from people on this list, which has helped me get started. But as you all can tell, I am not done yet :) I am looking sex discrimination cases in employment won BEFORE 1969, which were probably very few landmark cases, if any at all. After long two nights and little progress, I found an excellent reference "Sex Discrimination in the Workplace," 1978, by the Center for Compliance Information, whose legal consulting editor was Katharine A. Klos. They list only one 1969 case, though. If anyone on this list have information -- phone numbers and e-mail addresses- - on either the Center or on Katharine, I would truly appreciate. Please send it directly to me, though, and not to the list. Thank you very much again for all the help. Chris Delboni ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 23:12:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: course bulletin boards for women's studies courses I've posted on this topic before, but my experiences this semester have been so overwhelming I want go into some detail. When I teach a WS course, I establish a course computer bulletin board. Only students and instructor can post or read on the bulletin board. I have a paper on the Inform gopher at umdd that descreibes my initial experiences with this two years ago. It's under academic papers and listed as email+ws. If you can't access gopher I'll email you a copy. The paper has been accepted for publication (finally!) and there are some changes from the version on Inform, but they are minor. If you have the ability to establish a course computer bulletin board I strongly recommend it. The BB establishes a safe place for students to discuss what's on their minds. We're 3 1/2 weeks into the semester and the 25 students in my Psychology of Women and Gender class have posted over 130 messages. They talk about what's important to them, from their mothers to their reactions to the textbook to what they want to talk about in the next class period to original poetry. Perhaps most important, those students who do not talk in class are often frequent posters! Here are some guidelines for making a computer bulletin board successful: 1. Give a modicum of credit for posting. It could be a point for a posting a week or raising a grade if one is on the boarderline. The students seem to need an incentive. 2. Give instructions. Very early in the semester meet in a computer lab and show students how to use the BB. 3. Resist the urge to post. Students respond best to other student postings. Let this be their BB. A computer BB seems to give students a voice, a platform, to talk about the world that's opening to them as they learn and struggle with feminism. They talk about how to deal with sexist men, sexist teachers, menstruation, marriage, the textbook, women in sports, and whatever else strikes their fancy. It can also be an organizing tool--one current thread is how to get the campus paper to stop using the word "freshman." It can also be a place where students can explore possibilities. Tonight a student wrote a poem about loving other women. She's a lesbian who has not yet "come out" yet she did so on the BB if students read her poem. I think it's something worth exploring. Arnie ******************************************************************************** Arnie Kahn, Psychology, JMU, Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (703) 568-3963 - day fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (703) 434-0225 - night fac_askahn@jmuvax (703) 568-3322 - fax ******************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:22:43 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dana Watanabe Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn In-Reply-To: <199402011831.NAA08454@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Nancy Naples" at Feb 1, 94 10:21 am > The lower division undergraduate course at UCI is also a breadth > requirement/diversity requirement and many students are not "already > converted". I believe that the work we do in such courses can serve as > labs for learning how best to educate against anti-feminist theories and > practices. > > Nancy Naples (nnaples@uci.edu) Although i think many of the students who take the GE Women's Studies classes at UCI are doing so because they would really like to learn about it, there are those who take it for other reasons: they think a WS class MUST be really easy (HA!) the time is right so as not to mess up their schedule the realize the high percentage of women in the class (dating potential) etc. etc. While none of these are the best reason to be taking the course, any one of them can lead someone to otherwise unattainable exposure to the real concepts of Women's Studies. Also many of the people who take the course are doing so out of mild interest, but learn many things that can cause them to add the major/minor, or greatly affect their lives in some way. Although this does little to counteract the media attention given to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, i think that many of the students who are not Women's Studies majors still take the knowledge/concepts with them into their other classes and in discussion/socializing with their peers. I think this is one very important way of slowly changing attitudes that are presented against feminism. , dana ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 17:18:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Mary Roberson \\ 513/229-2166" Subject: Creative Innovation on Journal Writing for Class Hello WMST-L. I never cease to be delighted by the creativity of students. I just received a journal entry from one of my psychology of women students. In it she states that her best friend, who is taking intro to women's studies at Wesleyan College, has an assignment to write once a week in letter form to another female. The letter must discuss ideas she has read or discussed, etc., in relation to the course. My student was flattered that she was chosen and decided to make her journal entries in the form of letters responding to the letters she was receiving from her best friend -- tying in her new knowledge from psychology of women readings/discussions. They were quoting Gerda Lerner and Andrea Dworkin to each other in ways that were personally relevant for them!! :-) I love it. This got me thinking about a whole new realm of possibilities with regard to journal/letter writing. I spend a lot of energy commenting on journals so that they are more of a dialogue -- the letter writing idea would take some of the pressure off me. And my student has the benefit of discussing ideas of authors she is not reading. Nice, isn't it? Even if students didn't have a best friend taking a women's studies course, the discussion list remains as a resource to connect with another professor teaching a course with similar content and number of students. Keep it in mind for the future. Mary Roberson University of Dayton roberson@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:06:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: Jo Freeman Comments: Originally-From: Jo Freeman From: Jo Freeman Subject: lecture availability I'd like to repost this because the date has changed to March 15, and several told me I should have put my name in the message. Jo Freeman ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have to be in Los Angeles for a couple hours the afternoon of March 16. I hate to fly 3,000 miles and return immediately. Therefore I am available to speak to classes that week on some aspect of women, feminism and politics. Possible topics include: Feminism v. Family Values Feminism and Anti-Feminism in the Democratic and Republican Parties Sex, Race and Religion in American Politics Since the Civil War Women in the Democratic and Republican Parties since 1920 Feminism, Cultural Conflict and Partisan Realignment All of this stuff will (hopefully) be in the book I am currently writing. PLEASE REPLY PRIVATELY to jfrbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu, or 410 E. 8th St., Brooklyn, NY 11218, or 718/693-3384. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 06:55:03 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Charlene E. Depner" Subject: AWP Conference March 3-7 The Association for Women in Psychology is meeting in Oakland, CA on March 3-7. If you are attending and would like to get together, contact me at DEPNERC@DCJPSY@DAS.NET. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:38:07 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: CMRUSSE@RUBY.INDSTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn I agree with the comments about GE classes and their importance to Ws. I teach an upper division GE course on Images of Women in Film. While I have majors from my department and WS minors the majority of the members of the large, 50 UG 20 Grads, class are there because they need the course to graduate. At the end they have certainly been exposed to views of feminism from around the wordl -- an important aspect of GE and one way we can get at people's views of feminism -- espeically since I insist on transforming the traditional class organization even with these numbers. Sharon Russell cmrusse@ruby.instate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kim Hall Subject: Where Do They Learn? I'm sorry to add further to the list volume, but I feel compelled to clarify my posting/respond to the disscussion. Of course we do not want to exclude coporate women, etc., from feminism, but what are the grounds for unity? One of my problems with not seriously contesting media images and concepts like "power feminism" is that we do not then address empowering women who are not positioned to claim that power/privilege. Women-of-color and lesbians have worked very hard for a more inclusive feminism and the issue of the degree to which complaints about alienation from feminism may be rooted in homophobia or racism (which would be an historical irony) has not been part of our discussion This does NOT mean that I think corporate women, lawyers etc. are more likely to be racist, homophobic or classist than academic feminists, butssince I and my colleagues have students at a predominately white, elite inst itution complain that intro to women's studies has too many readings on poor, "ethnic" and foreign women, I worry that "power feminism" provides an easy escape from thinking about ALL women. While corporate women have the money, there are many more disenfranchised women in this country who can be a force for real change. Are we not as concerned about their relationship to feminism? I'm sorry again to post such a long message and to not quote, but I accidentally deleted the original posting. kim f. hall Georgetown University -- department of English KHALL@GUVAX.acc.georgetown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:28:04 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Subject: WS Mission Statements We are in the process of formulating an assessment plan for our Women's Studies program. I was wondering if we could send to the list each program's mission statement and compile these???? Through INFORM I accessed the article on WS assessment "The Courage to Question" which was very helpful...but I found myself wanting to know more. Is anyone else out there going through this process? Our WS Committee is currently formulating a mission statement and we have not solidified it yet. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks. Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Coordinator of Women's Studies at Nebraska Wesleyan University mba@NebrWesleyan.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:02:16 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Heather Munro Prescott, Department of History" Subject: rental housing in Washington, DC area Greetings all. I have been awarded a fellowship from the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology to conduct research at their historical library and other resources in the Washington, DC area. I will be there from the first week in June until the first week in July. Does anyone have any advice on temporary housing in the area, what neighborhoods are safe, conducive to women runners, etc? Ideally, I would like to rent or sublet a furnished apartment, hopefully for less than $1,200 per month. Thanks for any help you can provide. Please respond privately at the following address: Heather Munro Prescott History Department Central Connecticut State University 1615 Stanley St. New Britain, CT 06050 (203) 827-7450 PRESCOTT@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:20:06 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Todd Subject: Re: WS Mission Statements In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:28:04 CST from Mission Statement/ WS at the University of Illinois at Chicago: The Women's Studies Program at UIC is committed to furthering knowledge and understanding of women and gender in society and to fostering the exchange of diverse ideas in the classroom, where the participation of all students is welcomed. Mary Todd u24930@uicvm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:36:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAOMI B. MCCORMICK" Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: Intro to Personality textbook Dear Colleagues: I am teaching Introduction to Personality for the first times since the 1970s and would be eager if you could advise me of undergraduate textbooks on the topic that are inclusive regarding women's issues, cultural diversity, sexual diversity, and diverse health status. So far, I haven't had much luck in this regard. Please write to me directly at the address given below or post your thoughts on the list. Thanks so much, Naomi McCormick ****************************************************************** Naomi B. McCormick Dept. Psychology State University of New York College at Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 USA @@@@@@@@ @@ @@ Telephone (518) 564-3076; 564-3382 @@@ (A A) @@@ FAX (518) 564-7827 @@@ L @@@ % \ {} / % E-mail MCCORMNB@SNYPLAVA.BITNET ---- MCCORMNB@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU | | /******\ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:38:02 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Frances Anne-Marie Bula Subject: Info needed re Media Women Research In-Reply-To: <199402021931.OAA18526@umd5.umd.edu> from "Mary Todd" at Feb 2, 94 12:20:06 pm Help again. On behalf of the Women's Caucus of the Canadian Association of Journalists, I am trying to track down research and writing on women in journalism. (Doesn't have to be Canadian) I have searched Communication Abstracts and local university libraries, but am looking for more current research and books, centres or sources that I might have missed. Also, any recommendations of people who have made this their speciality. Message me if you'd like a copy of the information I collect. Please reply privately. Frances Bula bula@sfu.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:33:18 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAOMI B. MCCORMICK" Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: Intro to Personality textbook >From: IN%"$MAILER@UMDD.UMD.EDU" "Network Mailer" 2-FEB-1994 09:41:25.52 >To: IN%"MCCORMNB@SNYPLAVA.BITNET" >CC: >Subj: mail delivery error > >Return-path: <$MAILER@UMDD.UMD.EDU> >Received: from UMDD.UMD.EDU ($MAILER@UMDD) by splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu (PMDF > #3312 ) id <01H8EM0Z727K9201Q7@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>; Wed, > 2 Feb 1994 09:41:13 EST >Received: from UMDD.UMD.EDU by UMDD.UMD.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id > 6882; Wed, 02 Feb 94 09:35:36 EST >Date: 02 Feb 1994 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) >From: Network Mailer <$MAILER@UMDD.UMD.EDU> >Subject: mail delivery error >To: MCCORMNB@SNYPLAVA.BITNET >Message-id: <01H8EM0Z727M9201Q7@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> >X-Envelope-to: MCCORMNB >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >Batch SMTP transaction log follows: > >220 UMDD.UMD.EDU Columbia MAILER R2.10 ptf000 BSMTP service ready. >050 HELO SNYPLAVA.BITNET >250 UMDD.UMD.EDU Hello SNYPLAVA.BITNET >050 TICK 0001 >250 0001 ... that's the ticket. >050 MAIL FROM: >250 ... sender OK. >050 RCPT TO: >250 ... recipient OK. >050 DATA >354 Start mail input. End with . >554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients: >554 No such local user: WMST_L >050 QUIT >221 UMDD.UMD.EDU Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. > >Original message follows: > >Received: from SNYPLAVA.BITNET (MCCORMNB) by UMDD.UMD.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) > with BSMTP id 6881; Wed, 02 Feb 94 09:35:35 EST >Received: from splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu by splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu (PMDF > #3312 ) id <01H8ELBNUMX291Y06X@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>; Wed, > 2 Feb 1994 09:22:52 EST >Date: 02 Feb 1994 09:22:52 -0500 (EST) >From: "NAOMI B. MCCORMICK" >Subject: feminist Intro Personality Text >To: WMST_L@UMDD.bitnet >Message-id: <01H8ELBNUMX491Y06X@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> >Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA >X-Envelope-to: WMST_L@UMDD.bitnet >X-VMS-To: IN%"WMST_L@UMDD.bitnet" >X-VMS-Cc: MCCORMNB >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >>Dear Feminist Colleagues: >> >>I'll be teaching an undergrad, introductory theories of personality class >>for the first time since the 1970s. I would be very eager to learn if >>there are any books out there that are sensitive to women's issues and >>cultural/health/sexual diversity. So far, I haven't had any luck in this >>regard. >> >>Please send your textbook suggestions to me at the email address indicated >>below if you prefer not to share them with everyone on the list. >> >>Thanks so much!!! >> > >****************************************************************** >Naomi B. McCormick >Dept. Psychology >State University of New York College at Plattsburgh >Plattsburgh, NY 12901 USA @@@@@@@@ > @@ @@ >Telephone (518) 564-3076; 564-3382 @@@ (A A) @@@ > FAX (518) 564-7827 @@@ L @@@ > % \ {} / % >E-mail MCCORMNB@SNYPLAVA.BITNET ---- > MCCORMNB@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU | | > /******\ ****************************************************************** Naomi B. McCormick Dept. Psychology State University of New York College at Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 USA @@@@@@@@ @@ @@ Telephone (518) 564-3076; 564-3382 @@@ (A A) @@@ FAX (518) 564-7827 @@@ L @@@ % \ {} / % E-mail MCCORMNB@SNYPLAVA.BITNET ---- MCCORMNB@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU | | /******\ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:08:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: LISTSERV vs. WMST-L (User's Guide) Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin "Revision:". Here is section two, on the difference between LISTSERV and WMST-L: 2) "WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LISTSERV@UMDD AND WMST-L@UMDD? HOW DO I TELL WHICH ADDRESS TO USE?" WMST-L@UMDD (or WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU on Internet) should be used ONLY for messages that you wish to send to all WMST-L subscribers. Messages concerning your WMST-L subscription should be sent to LISTSERV@UMDD (or, on Internet, LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU). For example, send messages to LISTSERV, not WMST-L, when you wish to Cancel your subscription: UNSUB WMST-L Stop receiving mail temporarily: SET WMST-L NOMAIL [For digest, see Start receiving mail again: SET WMST-L MAIL info below] See who is subscribed to WMST-L: REVIEW WMST-L NOTE: If you subscribed under a Bitnet address and sent your subscription request to LISTSERV's Bitnet address (LISTSERV@UMDD), you must send ALL subsequent mail to the list's Bitnet addresses. Similarly, if you subscribed under an Internet address and sent your subscription request to LISTSERV's Internet address (LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU), you must send ALL subsequent mail the the list's Internet addresses. If you try to set your subscription to NOMAIL or you try to signoff and are told you don't have a subscription, chances are you are sending your request to the wrong address for LISTSERV. Simply try the other address. (See also section 3) Also, none of the above applies to the WMST-L digest. To stop the digest, send the following command to LISTSERV: AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE . To start the digest again, the command to LISTSERV is AFD ADD WMST-L PACKAGE . See section 5 for more information about the digest. For more extensive information about LISTSERV commands, send LISTSERV the following two-word message: INFO GENINTRO. You'll receive a file entitled LISTSERV.MEMO. (See section 11 for how to retrieve files sent to you in Netdata format.) If you have a question about your subscription that you want a human being to read, do not send it to either WMST-L or LISTSERV. Instead, send it to the list owner, Joan Korenman [KORENMAN@UMBC (Bitnet) or KORENMAN@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU (Internet)]. ****************** Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 14:10:05 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bob Bender Subject: Re: Creative Innovation on Journal Writing for Class In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 17:18:46 -0400 from On Tue, 1 Feb 1994 17:18:46 -0400 Mary Roberson \\ 513/229-2166 said: >This got me thinking about a whole new realm of possibilities with >regard to journal/letter writing. I spend a lot of energy commenting on >journals so that they are more of a dialogue -- the letter writing >idea would take some of the pressure off me. And my student has the >benefit of discussing ideas of authors she is not reading. Nice, >isn't it? Even if students didn't have a best friend taking a women's >studies course, the discussion list remains as a resource to connect >with another professor teaching a course with similar content and >number of students. Keep it in mind for the future. I am teaching an Indisciplinary Studies Senior Seminar this semester, focused on issues of gender, in which I have set up a listserv to which students must post two to three entries a week. We met the second day of class in a com- puter lab on campus so they could all get the hang of how to use a list. Only one of the 15 students in the class had used e-mail before this. By the second week of class, I suggested that they try to contain themselves within a single "page" or so (20 lines) because about half of them were writing 60 to 70 lines an entry. Now, half way through the third week, they are fully engaged and we're getting through the first wave of flaming as we all learn netiquette. Not only does this relieve me of having to read ALL their journals at the same time, but much more importantly, it puts them all in contact with each other, so that by the time they come to class everyone has something to say. Bob Bender, University of Missouri-Columbia, engbob@mizzou1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:24:30 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lucinda j peach Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn Is Naomi Wolf's new book "trash," as FK Hall argues? I was thinking of using it in an intro. course, as I had a good response from students to excerpts from "The Beauty Myth" Lucinda Peach Indiana U, Bloomington ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 14:43:52 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dawn Atkins Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn Naomi Wolf's first book, The Beauty Myth is fantastic. It is an extremely well articulated and documented look at the way appearance is used to limit and control women. I recommend it for any classes where it would be able to be used. Her new book is called "Fire with Fire" and is an analysis of the current methods of the feminist movement and some cultural shifts she sees happening. I am currently reading it. So far I have extremely mixed feelings of it. Her analysis of the view of those who do not claim the label "feminist" but support our goals and why they are rejecting the label has some good points. She is not very understanding (thus far) of the reasons feminists have chosen the methods they have so far nor of the problems with "power feminism." She hasn't shown much understanding (system glitch) So far the book is very judgemental. I have some points I agree with but am not happy with the tone. I am about 1/3 of the way into the book. I will post again when I have completed it. I can't say as I would recommend the book so far. Yet, on some levels I have already learned from the book. I learned the arguments I must counter in people who are labeling feminists. And both this and the book "Daughters of Feminsits" reminds me that in my own work I often talk about what is wrong and the pain we have suffered but I often forget to talk about the joy I take from being a feminist and working toward fun. (system glitch again) working toward changing things. In can actually be fun. I would welcome either here, or privately, other reactions to the book. Dawn Atkins Body Image Task Force spirit@armory.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:52:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: suzanna walters Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn yes, Wolf's book is trash and backlash and everything else nasty (including homophobic and racist) - 3 cheers to kim hall for telling it like it is. **************************************************************************** Suzanna Walters * Bitnet/Profs: IN%"SWALTERS@GUVAX.bitnet" Department of Sociology * Int: IN%"SWALTERS@GUVAX.GEORGETOWN.EDU" Georgetown University ******************************************** Washington, DC 20057 * (202)687-3602 * *************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:40:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Giavanna J. Munafo" Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Giavanna J. Munafo" Subject: Trashing N. Wolf In-Reply-To: <199402022158.QAA03540@umd5.umd.edu> I am also interested in others' responses to Naomi Wolf's latest. I'm torn about what I have heard, not having read it but having read plenty about it and hearing her on an NPR interview. Since she wants the book to address many of the problems we've been talking about re: "Where do they learn" lately, and since it does seem like a book intro. WS courses might find attractive, what say ye? Giavanna gjm9u@darwin.clas.virginia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:12:19 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Subject: Wolf's Fire with Fire I've used ideas from Naomi Wolf's newest book in my class: Psychology of Gender. I started the class with a definition of feminism and added to this by mentioning her distinction between victim feminism and power feminism. We then discussed her three themes of retaliation, money, and victory/competition. It led to some very good class discussion. I've wondered what her background is, though...how did she jump out of nowhere with a best-seller? Is anyone familiar with her credentials? Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Nebraska Wesleyan University mba@NebrWesleyan.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:47:34 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Harold Frank Subject: Whorf Hypothesis and "she/her" (fwd) Subject: Application of Wharf Hypothesis to use of she/her I recall reading long ago about Bejamen Wharf who is associated with a hypothesis that goes something like this: "The structure (and more?) of the language people speak influences the nature of the way people think." Currently, I teach graduate mangement courses. The format is case discussion and lecture, guest speakers and so forth, once per week for three hours, 17 weeks +/-. For some years I have tried to use "she" or "her" when referring to managers in rotation with "he" and "him." After reading some of the discussion on the list in recent weeks I decided to use she and her most of the time, allowing my conditioning to produce the he and him now and then. There are about 30 people in the class -- 60% female; 30% foreign -- same proportion -- average age 25. I am one of those 50 year old white males who List members often refer to when talking about "the way it is" at universities. My background includes some senior academic administration, and corporate and government positions which my students probably know about. The response, judging from the look on the faces of the students, was stronger than I have ever seen it. It seemed as though they were more alert, possibly puzzled. I got the feeling neurons were switching -- that learning was taking place. I don't know how to investigate the interaction between the words I used and my gender, and other charactersitics of my background. (I can envision classic experimental designs which vary such variables). Moreover, my hunch is that the question has been investigated ad nauseum. QUESTION: Is there anyone out there familiar with the Whorf Hypothesis and related research? As I recall, they hypothesis was thought an interesting one but not validated by any research. Intuitively, and in light of the experience reported above, it seems to apply. If it does, one would think that efforts to get instructors to vary gender specific speech in the classroom, and in published writings would be fruitful. Indeed, I can envision a gender bias index alongside teaching evaluations (and the reaction of my colleages!). I don't mean to be flippant, quite the contrary. We need the best managers we can produce and gender biases interfere with that goal. Please respond to me privately if you think it not appropriate to WMST-L. -- end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end+++ + Dr. Hal Frank hfrank@mizar.usc.edu + + University of Southern California hfrank@bcf.usc.edu + + P.O. Box 41992 Phone: (213) 254-1022 + + Los Angeles, CA 90041-0992 FAX: (213) 740-0001 + ****Spring is Coming************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:06:17 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shirley Lim Subject: Re: Conference on the Politics and Poetics of the Body: Pacific Rim Tri In-Reply-To: <9402022009.AA21548@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> I've sent this message twice, but forgot to change the subkect heading, so here goes! The University of California, Josai University, the East-West Center, Humanities Research Institute, Stony Brook, and the Institute for Research on Women and Gender are co-sponsoring a conference on the Politics and Poetics of the body. So far, sessions cover the sex-trade, films, tatoos, mutilation, women's language, literature, and other transnational sites of exchanges across the American/Australasia/Pacific Rim. Registration is $35.00 and includes two receptions, coffee, and lots of films, slides, and readings, as well as great papers. Speakers include Ann Kaplan, Marilyn Yalom, Sneja Gunew, Helen Grace, Rob Wilson, Wimal Dissanayake, and many other scholars from Asia and Australasia. For further information, contact Shirley Geok-lin Lim English Dept. University of California, Santa Barbara Ca. 93106 Fax (805) 893-4622 Tel: (805) 893-8584 e-mail: slim@humanitas.ucsb.edu See you in Santa Barbara. Oh, dates are April 29-May 1, 1994! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:01:08 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheila Dickison Subject: Extended time toward tenure I am collecting information re policies at other universities with a view to proposing a policy at the University of Florida that would be of benefit to female faculty. I am interested in a policy that grants an extension of time (a year or more) to female faculty who has had a child (or a primary caregiver). If your institution has such a policy (or a similar one) please send me a brief description. Reply privately to S_Dickison@sfa.ufl.edu Your information will be much appreciated. I will need it to convince the administration here that such a policy is important for retaining and supporting female faculty. Sheila K. Dickison ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:09:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julia Hanigsberg Subject: FEMINISM AND POPULAR WOMEN'S MAGAZINES I am currently working on a paper on the role of popular women's magazines in disseminating feminist thought for a collection of essays on women, the law and the media. I would appreciate citations for scholarly writing on this issue, or on the role of women's magazines more generally, as well as comments and opinions from people on this list. Any leads would be appreciated! jeh p.s. please respond privately and I will post a summary of the information I receive. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Julia E. Hanigsberg Columbia University School of Law 435 West 116th St New York, NY 10027 e-mail: hanigsbe@lawmail.law.columbia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:59:31 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: evaluations & feminism At the risk of irritating people who may be tired of this subject, I want to add a bit to what I said yesterday about the politics of student evaluations vis-a-vis including feminism in the standard curriculum courses. It would be wonderful if someone could have been here to do an ethnographic study of the processes whereby I came to be defined as a poor teacher here. One element of the process I am sure is that other faculty who saw me as a threat to them would reinforce students' perceptions of me. Most of the department is caught in a 1970s time warp, not just re: gender and multiculturalism but also re: all other new developments in the field. So the challenges I posed came not only from being an outspoken feminist but also from having been in a very demanding and up-to-date PhD program (U Iowa). My c.v. puts most of my colleagues to shame. In short: add female and feminist to "young turk" and watch the explosion . . . Students everywhere are always talking to other faculty about their classes, and often complaining. Faculty responses can either validate the students' perceptions or they can encourage the students to re-think them. If you have enemies in the department, guess which will happen? I happened to have one of my more supportive colleagues (a bit too late in the process) come into my intro to mass comm class to observe me teach one class that was exclusively on feminist perspectives on journalism history (my specialty). What he said he observed was a lively interchange between me and my students. He felt that I sincerely invited disagreement, and noted that I handled the debates particularly well -- I did not come back with "this is the way it is" but with questions that required the students to re-think their operating assumptions. He was very impressed with my teaching style, which is interactive and spontaneous. Indeed, he said he himself learned a great deal from the presentation. At the end of the semester, that class, however, as all the others before, on average rated me fair to poor (with a significant minority of excellents). I poured my heart and soul into that class, trying every which way I could think of (except dumping the gender & multicultural materials) to bring those evaluations up. I changed textbooks three times. I changed my exams to make them easier. I even lowered my grading standards, offering a curve instead of an absolute scale. I offered study sessions outside of class to help people do better on exams. I gave them detailed study guides. (Incidentally, this is a huge lecture class, which rules out anything but multiple choice exams.) I became as perky and helpful and nurturing as any woman could possibly be. And it didn't help -- not one bit. Every single semester, no matter what I did, the evaluations came out the same. I am convinced that we need to make it a priority to challenge the whole evaluation system. As my colleague pointed out when he read students' reactions to my class -- you are making them uncomfortable by challenging the very foundations of what they believe in. But they NEED to be made uncomfortable. Learning IS PAINFUL -- at least, any learning that has any serious value. And I think students are more likely to be willing to accept the challenges to their conventional ways of thinking if the atmosphere in most of their other classes (whether feminism is an issue or not) is one that truly challenges them to think critically. If one's colleagues make students comfortable, and you make them think about things they'd rather not think about . . . well, there's bound to be trouble, ESPECIALLY if you are female and feminist. What we need are evaluation systems that truly get at the heart of what we are supposed to be doing as teachers. And we need evaluation systems that require our aging colleagues to update themselves. Why not a question that asks students to rate their professors on their efforts to speak to the issues and problems of women and people of color????? I have a daughter who is a pre-med student at Westminster College in Fulton, MO. She is constantly on the phone with me complaining about the failure of her faculty to address these issues. She had a cultural anthropology professor who nearly dumped the chapter in the text on gender "for lack of time"; equally important, the most recent citations on gender in the book were from the 1970s. Her required reading & composition course has few women authors (and no people of color), and no writing assignments are based on the few women included. WHY ARE THESE PROFESSORS ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS???? Georgia NeSmith Assistant Professor Communication Dept. SUNY Brockport Brockport NY 14420 gnesmith@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:30:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Arlene.Saitzyk" <22669ARS@MSU.BITNET> Subject: Intro to Personality textbook In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 2 February 1994 3:01pm ET Naomi, Good question (re: intro personality texts). If/when you get some responses, could you please forward a list to me? I used Pervin's text last summer, b/c it had the most references to women of the 10 or so texts that I perused. However, it was far from adequate. I supplemented the course with Jean Baker Miller's _toward a new psychology of women_. The students seemed to like this addition. Anyway, let me know what you come up with. Thanks. Arlene Saitzyk (22669ars@msu.bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:37:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Rene T.A. Lysloff" Subject: Ultrafeminists and Radical Liberals For those of you interested in general attitudes toward feminism, you might want to look at the statements made recently by Conservative Senate candidate Oliver North (yes, Mr. Iran-Contra Scandal), published by Rueters last Monday or so. He spoke of the "arrogant army of ultrafeminists" that have "captured the political process." What's seems to be going is a kind of parallel to past conservative attempts to marginalize a legitimate political and intellectual movement--I'm recalling the earlier painting of liberals as radicals with phrases like "card-carrying liberal" (evoking the threat of communism). Similarily, North is making making feminism out to be a threat to the American Way and to "traditional" Family Values, associating the concept with legalized abortion, legalization of drugs, sexual license (promoting condoms rather than abstinence), and so forth--note how diverse ideas (and not all of them necessarily representing the views of all feminists) are lumped together to equate "ultrafeminism" with radical liberalism. I guess this means that feminists are just female liberals. Rene T.A. Lysloff University of Pittsburgh RTLST7@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:19:40 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret Cheney Subject: Job Announcement Position Announcement: Assistant Professor of English. Ph.D. required. Specialization in Women's Studies. Tenure track position to begin Fall, 1994. Applicant must be able to teach a full range of composition courses and courses in a sophmore interdisciplinary humanities program. Teaching excellence and flexibility a must. Scholarship and service required for tenure and promotion. Send letter of application and complete dossier to Dr. Lillie B. Johnson, Acting Chair, Department of Languages and Literature, Augusta College, Augusta, GA 30904-2200. Deadline: March 29, 1994. Augusta College is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Institution. Augusta College, a senior unit of the University System of Georgia, offers a diverse range of bachelor's, master's, and associate degree programs. The Department of Languages and Literature comprises 34 full-time faculty members in English, Foreign Languages, and Communications, 22 of whom are in English. The college is located in the historic Summerville area of Augusta; a second campus nearby is home to the college athletic complex. Augusta, located on the Savannah River and sharing its border with South Carolina, is the second oldest and the second largest metropolitan area in Georgia. Paine College and the Medical College of Georgia are also located in Augusta, and more than three dozen arts organizations offer a variety of cultural events. Augusta is 140 miles east of Atlanta, 150 miles west of Charleston, S.C., and 72 miles southeast of Columbia, S.C. __________________ Feel free to copy and distribute this announcement! Margaret E. Cheney Department of Languages and Literature Augusta College mcheney@admin.ac.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:14:17 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: working/mothering/nurturing/independence In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 31 Jan 1994 10:28:11 EST from i think we need a closer look at women working in the professions in the '50s and '30s, '40s. in which professions? which women? about 1/3 of women were employed in the '50s. my students (mostly the first of their families in college) are surprised at that figure: they had thought their mothers, if they had jobs, were exceptions. in the '30s, most school teachers were fired if they married, couldn't be hired if married, tho women got jobs because sex segregation was so firm and "appropriate" work was so mewhat available. many women who got jobs then were strained between pride in earning income and maintaining their nurturing and subordinate roles (my mother included, but what a role model! after the years on welfare/relief). and how did women deal with welfare then? were they demonized by the press, as they are now? beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:31:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 31 Jan 1994 21:20:16 -0500 from the reality, christine, is that there are substantial differences in concepts of feminism and we have an obligation to teach that in our courses. i don't know that corporate women contribute to women's studies, as you do suggest. in any case, a signifant strand of feminist thought would not focus on women in mid- and high levels of the corporate world as models, but would point out that maintaining the structure of the economy as is, leaves most women in and near poverty; we analyze the structure of society and point out theories that would lead to remove inequities and injustices. and yes, we teach, also, the strand of feminism you seem to endorse. if corporate women see that as radical, then they do; perhaps they feel threatened, as men do, when their power and the consequences for exploitation of women and men is discussed. our task is an intellectual and scholarly one: analysis, interpretation, and evaluation. all scholarship is political and ours is, too. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:59:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Patricia A. O'Donnell :pattyo@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu" Subject: thanks - inclusive teaching So many people responded to my recent post on wmst-l about my problems with inclusive teaching, that I have not been able to thank each person individually. I want to thank everyone for the support and encouragement and for sharing your own personal stories. The messages have been very helpful. Despite the tone of my first message, I have decided that I will indeed continue with an "inclusive" perspective. I will be incorporating many of your suggestions right away. I recognize that aside from teaching feminist theory, I am questioned by my students because I am female, young (24), and a graduate student (though abd). I am hoping to develop enough confidence to compensate. With some bad evaluations, it is difficult to increase confidence, though! I agree that the evaluation forms are biased, and I am hoping that there will be something done about that soon. At Notre Dame, the gender studies program offers its own evaluations. I am still waiting to see mine from last semester. Not to go on too long, but I'd like to share what I said to my students this morning. I told them that I sensed that they were questioning the reading material and teaching style of the class. "You are asking yourselves, is this a sociology class about criminal justice, or a gender studies class with some attention given to criminal justice. My response to that question is that you should not have to be in a gender studies class to learn about women. Nor should you be in a n African American Studies class to learn about African Americans. Women make up slightly over half of the population, and by the middle of next century, there will be no "minority" group. If you are going on to law school, you will be defending, prosecuting, or in some way representing women and minorities as well as men. If you are going on to be a police officer, you will be dealing directly with womne and minorities as fellow officers, other cj agency workers, or as criminals. With the growing diversity of our society, you need to be aware of the differences between all groups. You do not have to agree with feminist theories of crime and justice. But it is important that you are made aware of them, as you are made aware of labeling theory and psychological theories. If you tell me at the end of the semester that this class is not what you expected, I will smile, because that's exactly what I want." Sorry to go on for so long. Thanks again to all who have replied to my posting with words of encouragement and support. They are greatly appreciated! Patty O'Donnell pattyo@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:02:06 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: including feminism in core In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:54:27 LCL from good point, ruth, on the difference in evaluations of women and men professors. we're still in the inverse ratio: about 30-35% women asst. profs, 27 assoc, and 10-11 full. it's probably also true that the upper level folks teach familiar, traditional points of view which are not recognized as personal opinions. it's the different from traditional textbooks that seem opinions, then. this does not help the junior faculty among us. the best i can offer is to work from a stance of intellectual thought and texts of the 90s, letting students know that without knowledge of feminist work they'd be behind the times. also, it may help some to point out that it took me a long time to work out the ways of including feminist ideas into my "mainstream" (not ws) courses. by now i'm a full professor, known as a feminist, get some flack but also much appreciation from most students. for some, I introduce "interesting ideas" i just hope those endure and make a difference in their future actions. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:29:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: including feminism in core In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:25:47 EST from in reply to the question on evaluations of faculty: there was an article in signs a few years ago on research on evaluations of women and men faculty - with a cautionary note to women. sorry, i don't recall the date, title, author. i'll search it in my library by computer, if you can't find it. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:54:22 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Sue-Chan My original posting addressed the issue of media portrayal of feminists and feminism which I perceived to be the intent of Ruth Ginzberg's original query, Where Do They Learn". If it is accepted that most of North America receives its information from the media, which has, in general, portrayed feminists and feminism negatively, then, I think it is safe to conclude that feminism has an image problem. To correct that image problem, Hal Frank suggested that there are means for influencing how various minority groups are portrayed in the media. In order to exert that influence, substantial financial resources are required. Corporate and other professional women do have those financial resources but do not identify with academic feminist's concerns about the backlash movement. I believe it is fair to say that any negative portrayal of feminists in the media hurts all women's ability to achieve their potential whether it is in the classroom or the boardroom and regardless of whether they identify as feminist or denounce the label. Unless there is a dialogue between the two groups, corporate and other professional women will continue to ignore the concerns of academic feminists, not because of defensiveness but because of disinterest, and the negative stereotypes will continue unabated in the media. Dialogue between the two groups for the purpose of correcting the image problem does not require a change in what is taught in Women's Studies programs and was not suggested in my original posting. It may, however, require a substantial change in attitude towards each other on the part of both groups. Christine Sue-Chan--------------------chris@dgp.toronto.edu------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:50:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "SUSAN KULLMANN PUZ, CSUPOMONA" Subject: CFP - S.CA: INTERNET:FEMINIST POTENTIALS Join us in planning a seminar about the Internet online. ******************************************************* FEMINIST POTENTIALS OF THE INTERNET: INFORMATION, COMMUNICATION AND NETWORKING ******************************************************* The Huntington Library, San Marino, California Saturday, April 9, 1994 9:30 am - noon The Steering Committee of the Huntington Library Women's Studies Seminar plans to hold a two hour session about the potentials benefits/ uses/treasures of the Internet. Given the nature of the subject, we would like to develop this program online. The Seminars: The Huntington Library's holdings in women's studies have been highlighted since 1984 through the Women's Studies Seminar programs. These meetings are usually held on five Saturday mornings during the academic year, and the audiotapes of these presentations are part of the resources the Huntington makes available to scholars working in women's studies. The Seminar seeks to advance academic research on materials by and about women, to encourage interaction among researchers, scholar/activists, educators, community organizers and other individuals whose work or interests relate to women, and to foster awareness and use of the resources of the Library. The seminar provides opportunties to discuss historical and current issues of gender with emphasis on intersections with race, class, culture, age, and sexuality. Our AUDIENCE will consist of teachers, writers, community activists, students and others with computer literacy ranging from basic word processing to advanced Internet navigation skills. Many will have only a minimal understanding of the Internet. We hope to educate and encourage those who attend the seminar to _use_ the power of information technologies. WE SEEK INPUT AND PROPOSALS FROM WOMEN INTERNET USERS. Have you attended similar seminars? What formats have been effective -- or do you believe would be most effective? What possibilities, issues, problems do you think are the most important to address? Would you like to be part of this program? If so, what could you contribute to the program? What suggestions do you have for developing this program? The seminar will be held on Saturday, April 9, 1994 from 9:30am to noon at the Huntington Library in San Marino, CA. The Women's Studies Seminar is free and open to the public. Whether or not you have ideas for our session, we hope Internetters in Southern California will join us on April 9. If you have a suggestion or proposal or wish more information, please REPLY PRIVATELY to: Susan Kullmann Puz skpuz@csupomona.edu Nancy Page Fernandez nfernand@orion.oac.uci.edu [BTW: The Seminars generally attract 100 - 200/250 people.] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 05:28:35 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: AMY KASTELY Subject: Chicano and Chicana texts Thank you to those of you who responded to my request for Chicano and Chicana texts for a male student. This student had read assigned readings in my class from Gloria Anzuldua and Cherrie Moraga and has been hungry to read more, as much as he can, particularly about the lives and theorizing work of Mexican-American men. Suggestions from the list were: Sandra Cisneros, Woman Hollering Creek Gloria Anzuldua, Borderlands/La Frontiera Helena Maria Viramontes, The Moths and Other Stories Rodolfo Acuna, Occupied America: A History of Chicanos Rodolfo Acuna, Aztlan: Essays on the Homeland Cherrie Moraga, From a Long Line of Vendidas: Chicanas and Feminism, in de Lauretis' Feminist Studies/Critical Studies. Thank you again, Amy Kastely amy@vax.stmarytx.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 06:34:53 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Freeman Subject: Re: Info needed re Media Women Research In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:38:02 -0800 from See: TAKING THEIR PLACE: A DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF WOMEN AND JOURNALISM BY Mauri ne H. Beasley and Sheila J. Gibbons, Am. U. Press, 1993. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 07:59:07 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Freeman Subject: other academic feminist lists I'm looking for other lists by and for feminists in different disciplines. Are there any in psychology or sociology, which have substantial numbers of fem inists and/or women in them? I've only found lists in law, economics and histo ry. If anyone knows of others, please post their e-mail addresses. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:14:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Ruth A. Solie." Subject: Re: Ultrafeminists and Radical Liberals So North thinks that feminists have "captured the political process"?! What planet has he been living on? Ruth Solie rsolie@smith.smith.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:05:54 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Freeman Subject: Re: your paper In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 13:04:15 CST from I finally read your paper on Feminist Organizations, and itis excellent. J ust the kind of thing practitioners (as well as scholars) ought to read. I'm glad adfeminist organizations actually use consultants. That is definitely progress (You can tell I've been out of it for a while). Will this paper be in Myra a nd Pat's book on Feminist Organizations? Two references: I wrote an article on Trashing many years ago (published in Ms. April 1976), which you may notknow about. What was interestingwas the eno rmous response. More letters were written to the editor about it than Ms. had ever received (inits four year life). Ms. devoted a lengthysection to reprinti ng them in the issue three months later.r 2) Have you read CULTURAL THEORY by Michael Thompson, Richard Ellis and Aaro n Wildavsky (Westview 1990)? They divide all of society in to four or five en during cultures based the grid/group framework developed by anthropologist M ary Douglas. I found their discussion of egalitarian culturs insightful in und erstanding some of the less attractive aspects of feminist organizations, as a species of egalitarian groups. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:19:10 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo Freeman Subject: Re: your paper In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Feb 1994 13:04:15 CST from I was trying to reply privately and screwed up. Sorry. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:43:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patricia Johnson Organization: University of Dayton Subject: letters I use a letter writing exercies in one of my philosophy classes where we read a number of pieces on friendship. At the beginning of the unit all of the students choose pen names. They write a letter to a friend in which they begin to discuss understandings of friendship. I place each letter in an envelope (all envelope then look alike) and put the mian topic of the first letter and the pen name on the outside. Students select a letter to respond to based on this information. We do several rounds of trading letters so that each letter has several responses. Then the letter goes back to the originator for a final response. In the end, I get them all to read and respond to each chain. I find that this exercise really facilitates and open dialogue during class time and outside of class. I never reveal the pen names. They can if they want to. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:24:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: When to reply PRIVATELY (User's Guide) Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin "Revision:". Here is section nine, on when to reply privately rather than to WMST-L. Normally, I would post it later in the month, but a number of messages lately make me think it's needed NOW: ******************* 9) "WHEN SHOULD I REPLY PRIVATELY RATHER THAN TO WMST-L?" WMST-L is set up so that replies will normally be sent to all subscribers. If you respond to a WMST-L message by hitting a reply key or typing "reply," everyone will read your response. This is appropriate when the contents are likely to be of interest to a number of subscribers (most suggestions for reading lists and teaching strategies fall into this category). However, if you are writing to request a copy of a paper someone has mentioned, please send your request PRIVATELY, NOT to WMST-L. Similarly, comments directed at a particular person (e.g., "Right on, Rhoda. Good point," or "Thanks for the info," or "What a horrendous experience that must have been. I don't know why people do such things," or "Hi, Jane, I'm glad to see you've joined the list. Write to me," etc.) should be sent PRIVATELY, NOT to WMST-L. Also, short general statements of approval or disapproval (e.g., "Hooray! I'm glad someone finally said that!" or "I can't imagine how anyone can believe such nonsense") should NOT be sent to WMST-L. One further note: the above sorts of messages are OMITTED from the WMST-L digest. If the person you're trying to reach is one of the hundreds who reads WMST-L in digest form, she/he will not see the message if you send it to WMST-L. ******************* Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:39:01 -0500 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC.BITNET Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: other academic feminist lists In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Thu, 03 Feb 1994 07:59:07 -0500 (EST)" <01H8FWWEMNQQ001Y8F@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU> Earlier today, Jo Freeman wrote: >I'm looking for other lists by and for feminists in different disciplines. >Are there any in psychology or sociology, which have substantial numbers of fem >inists and/or women in them? I've only found lists in law, economics and histo >ry. If anyone knows of others, please post their e-mail addresses. The most complete list of academic feminist lists I know of is the WMST-L file OTHER LISTS. Please don't send information about any of the lists already mentioned there. If there are others, though, I suspect many people would like to know about them. If people send information to me, I'll compile it all together and both add it to OTHER LISTS and send it to WMST-L. To get a copy of OTHER LISTS, send the message GET OTHER LISTS to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:52:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: cm74 Subject: Re: rental housing in Washington, DC area In-Reply-To: <199402021604.LAA21124@umd5.umd.edu> Dear Heather, I am planning on doing research in NYC during the same period that you are hoping to find housing in D.C. At this point I've not been able to locate housing in NYC, but have some leads. If, however, I can accomplish my goal to be in NYC from June 1 through July 7, my one bedroom apartment in Silver Spring, Maryland (five minutes drive from the Wheaton metro station and thus accessible to all of D.C.) will be available for sublet. My building is located at the northern-most part of Silgo Creek Park where I saftely run and walk my dog during the day (although you won't want to run there at night, or anywhere else in D.C. for that matter). I live on the 10th floor and get the sunset every evening; my building has 24-hour security and garage parking. $1000.00 should be about right with an additional $25.00 if you want to try to arrange garage parking with the management here. I'll be leaving my car in my parking space, so we'd need to get a different one for you, if you want garage parking. Spaces in the apartment lot for no cost are also available. If you're interested in pursuing this, get back to me, and we'll see how our plans develop. Best wishes-- Cynthia L. Wimmer English Department University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 cm74@umail.umd.edu (301)649-7585 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:58:23 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chris Jazwinski Subject: Re: Whorf Hypothesis and "she/her" (fwd) >Subject: Application of Wharf Hypothesis to use of she/her > >I recall reading long ago about Bejamen Wharf who is >associated with a hypothesis that goes something like this: > >"The structure (and more?) of the language people speak influences the >nature of the way people think." > >Currently, I teach graduate mangement courses. The format is case >discussion and lecture, guest speakers and so forth, once per week for >three hours, 17 weeks +/-. > >For some years I have tried to use "she" or "her" when referring to >managers in rotation with "he" and "him." After reading some of the >discussion on the list in recent weeks I decided to use she and her >most of the time, allowing my conditioning to produce the he and him >now and then. > >There are about 30 people in the class -- 60% female; 30% foreign -- >same proportion -- average age 25. I am one of those 50 year old >white males who List members often refer to when talking about "the >way it is" at universities. My background includes some senior >academic administration, and corporate and government positions which >my students probably know about. > >The response, judging from the look on the faces of the students, was >stronger than I have ever seen it. It seemed as though they were >more alert, possibly puzzled. I got the feeling neurons were >switching -- that learning was taking place. I don't know how to >investigate the interaction between the words I used and my gender, >and other charactersitics of my background. (I can envision classic >experimental designs which vary such variables). Moreover, my hunch >is that the question has been investigated ad nauseum. > >QUESTION: Is there anyone out there familiar with the Whorf Hypothesis >and related research? As I recall, they hypothesis was thought an >interesting one but not validated by any research. Intuitively, and >in light of the experience reported above, it seems to apply. If it >does, one would think that efforts to get instructors to vary gender >specific speech in the classroom, and in published writings would be >fruitful. Indeed, I can envision a gender bias index alongside >teaching evaluations (and the reaction of my colleages!). I don't >mean to be flippant, quite the contrary. We need the best managers we >can produce and gender biases interfere with that goal. Please >respond to me privately if you think it not appropriate to WMST-L. >-- >end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end++++++end+++ >+ Dr. Hal Frank hfrank@mizar.usc.edu + >+ University of Southern California hfrank@bcf.usc.edu + >+ P.O. Box 41992 Phone: (213) 254-1022 + >+ Los Angeles, CA 90041-0992 FAX: (213) 740-0001 + >****Spring is Coming************************************************* Yes, there is a whole research literature out there. We know that the use of the male generic forms makes people think of men. When used in job advertisements, it males women less interested in applying for the jobs. I did an article on male generic forms a number of years ago. See Sniezek, J. A. and Jazwinski, C. H. (1986). Gender bias in English: In search of fair language. Journal of Applied Social Psychology, 16, 642-662. In psychology, the APA format proscribes nonsexist language, meaning avoiding the male generic. Chris Jazwinski Professor of Psychology St. Cloud State University St. Cloud, MN 56301 612-255-3271 JAZ@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:49:41 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: judy long Subject: ultrafem capture world At last!! Thank you, Ollie North (Pat Robertson, etc). --JUDY LONG, SOCIOLOGY DEPARTMENT, SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY -- --103 SIMS IV, SYRACUSE, NY 13244-1230, USA (315)443-4580 -- --Bitnet: JLONG@SUVM Internet: JLONG@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:12:11 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: VALERIE WAGONER Subject: Re: working/mothering/nurturing/independence In-Reply-To: <199401310506.AAA04820@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Automatic digest processor" at Jan 31, 94 12:00 (midnight) This discussion has been very interesting to me. As a working/nurturing/ independent mother who is also pursuing an MA in Exp. Psych. I have wrestled with this issue many times over the last few years. I have been the recipient of the "bad mother" lecture many times. Admittedly I am not the best housekeeper, but I have tried to concentrate on instilling positive, maybe even survival values in my daughters. As they have grown they have seen their mother fix the plumbing, install linoleum, work odd jobs for extra money, recieve honors for research achievements, etc. Hopefully they have learned, from my example, that women can do just about anything they want to do. Following this example I fought off the guilt feelings that family (including my daughters) and friends were laying at my door and decided to continue with my education in spite of the negative feedback I was getting. When I discussed this decision with my children, I explained that it was a matter of finishing what I had started and keeping my eye on my original goals. Of course, they didn't understand it at the time (3 years ago), but since then I have recieved my BA degree and several more honors. My point is that I have not only taught my children be independent, but I hope I have also taught them that they can achieve their goals if they stick with it. Another benefit is their own high self-esteem. In spite of our low income status, my oldest daughter consistently make the honor roll at school in spite of her is involvement with several community service groups and cheerleading. My other daughter is progressing equally as well. I cannot take full credit for thier achievements but I hate to think what a blow it might have been to thier "psyches" if I had quit. Sorry to run on, but I felt it was an important point. "Nurturing" children takes many forms. Valerie v.wagone@msuacad.morehead.-st.edu Proud mother of two young feminists. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:49:28 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Felicia Bender Subject: Re-Visioning Mamet I am in the process of writing a play, _Ruth's Version;or, (Re)Membering American Buffalo for a graduate project. What I'm doing is giving Ruth, a character in Mamet's 1976 play,a chance to speak--she is the topic of many conversations between the three male characters, but we never see her on stage. I'm working with structure and language, mostly, doing parody scenes in Mamet's style, then scenes focusing on Ruth, with possible narration by her to the audience. My question is: Does anyone know of any other project of this nature? Since it is for academic credit as well (argh!) I would like to know if there are any other works like this one out there in which to compare/ cite/draw upon. Please respond privately. Felicia Bender c391738@MIZZOU1 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 13:12:31 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Barbara G. Taylor" Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:01:08 EST from Sheila -- Such a policy is often referred to as "stopping the tenure clock." I hope you'll post your results to the list. Thanks. Barbara G. Taylor BT24761@uafsysa.uark.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 14:28:05 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Harrison-Pepper Sally Subject: Mother Daughter Poems & Stories (long) Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions. I have passed them along to my colleague and will let you know what she decides to use for her dance concert. Meanwhile, posted below is a compilation of all the great suggestions, including the commentary that people supplied. Thanks again! Sally Harrison-Pepper Harrison-Pepper_Sally@msmail.muohio.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Linda Hogan's story "New Shoes" The first poem in Judy Grahn's _Queen of the Wands_ conveys the troubled bonds between mother and daughter quite well Also many poems by Lucille Clifton, see _An Ordinary Woman_ and _Generations_ although the relationships can be rather idealized Same with Audre Lorde "Now that I am Forever with Child" in _Coal_ (I think) Many poems by Gwendolyn Brooks would be good for this eg "Bronzeville" poems - her relationships are very often fraught and tempestuous A good complex mother/daughter story might be Flannery O'Conner's "Good Country People" Adrienne Rich "Snapshots of a Daughter in Law" Marianne Moore's "The Paper Nautilus" Mina Loy's "Parturition" or poems in _Anglo-Mongrels and the Rose_ A far fetched suggestion: How about the scene in Jewelle Gomez's novel The Gilda Stories (first section) where Girl becomes a vampire through the sensuous breast-slashing, blood exchange with first Gilda and then Bird, both of whom are mothers to Girl, and later lovers. That scene has angst and passion and lots of erotic potential (pp 46-47). The becoming-vampire of Girl, by the way, is willing. I'm reading the novel now so the images are foregrounded. Ref: Ithaca, N.Y.: Firebrand Books, 1991. Double Stitch - Black Women Write About Mothers and Daughters, edited by the editors of SAGE (HarperCollins Publishers, 1991). "SHE" by Catherine Davis, in earlier editions of Mary Anne Ferguson's IMAGES OF WOMEN. It is in any case a great presentation of a beloved "bad" mother. For the person thinking about a course on mothers and daughters, you may be interested in THE ANCHOR OF MY LIFE: MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS, 1880-1920, by Linda W. Rosenzweig. This book is published by NYU Press, and is part of our History of the Emotions series. This book specifically addresses your question about the nature of this relationship, challenging the late-twentieth century assumption that the mother-daughter relationship is necessarily defined by hostility, guilt, and antagonism. Susan Koppelman Cornillon's collection of short stories, Mothers and Daughters. She's the editor, and the stories are all by women. _Loss of the Groundnote: women writing about the loss of their mothers_ edited by Helen Vozenilek. these are narratives, not scholarly pieces, but they do illuminate some of the tensions and feelings and potentials in the relationship. I suggest you get in touch with Elaine Hansen at Haverford College, who is writing a book about mothering in contemporary women's fiction, using African-American, Native American, and lesbian texts, among other more expectable, and couching her study in feminist mothering theory. You can reach her on the net at ehansen@haverford.edu. There's a wonderful book of poetry by an Irish lesbian feminist writer (her name escapes me at this moment) called "Moving Into the Space Cleared by Our Mothers." Many of the poems are about her relationship with her mother at different points in their relationship. Cherrie Moraga's "For the Color of My Mother" and Janice Mirikitani, "Breaking Tradition" Both are in Florence Howe's anthology No More Masks (the new one). Try looking at Adrienne Rich's _Of Woman Born_, a text that I used to use in my composition classes (excerpts) to get a rise out of students who'd never considered how a mother might experience childbirth and parenting as both a joy and a nightmare. Rich, as always, is excruciatingly direct and compelling. Alicia Ostriker wrote some strong-minded mother/daughter poems that I heard her read quite a few years back. Or, "I Have Three Daughers," by Ruth Stone (1970), or Sylvia Plath's poem as daughter to mother, "The Disquieting Muses" (1959). Look through some contemporary collections: Sharon Olds, Carolyn Kizer, Alice Walker, Maya Angelou. Annie Ernaux _A Woman's Story_ - a VERY short book (92 pages) in which Ernaux writes to understand... the love, hate, tenderness, irritation and mute attachment which have molded their relationship." (from the jacket) Jamaica Kincaid "Girl" - a prose poem bursting with maternal & societal advice, expectations, and limitations put on any young "girl" Mary Barnard "The Fitting" - powerfully understated poem by a fine, although neglected, poet; this poem's major image is that of ayoung girl being fitted for a dress by a "trio of elderly hags" who could be construed as grandmothers or other female relatives... Anne Bradstreet... I don't have it in front of me, but she has several lovely poems about her children Tillie Olsen "I Stand Here Ironing" - I bet this one will come up over and over... a short story consisting of an interior monologue in which a tired mother ponders the dreams and aspirations she had for a beloved, troubled daughter Both Gwendolyn Brooks and Lucille Clifton have written powerful poems to their aborted children. Brooks' is called "The Mother" and Clifton's is "The Lost Baby Poem" I strongly recommend the book Double Stitch, a collection of essays, poems, and stories by Black women, all about mothers and daughters. (1991, Beacon Press). It should be in soft cover now. _Bubbe Meisehs by Shayneh Maidelehs_, an anthology of poems by Jewish women about their grandmothers. It is edited by Leslea Newman. There are two bibliographies that are very useful in reviewing the literature and fiction on mothers and daughters: -- MOTHERS & MOTHERING: AN ANNOTATED FEMINIST BIBLIOGRAPHY, by Penelope Dixon (Garland Pub., 1991) covers the research on the mother-daughter relationship especially in chapter 2: "Mothers and Daughters: Together and Apart." There are also chapters on "Lesbian and Black Mothers, Daughters and Sons: Additional Burdens," "Mothers and Sons," "Feminism: A Framework for Mothering," and "Psychoanalysis: A Feminist Tool." For a thematically arranged guide to mothers and daughters in short fiction, see -- MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS IN AMERICAN SHORT FICTION: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY OF TWENTIETH-CENTURY WOMEN'S LITERATURE, compiled by Susanne Carter. (Greenwood P., 1993.) 242 stories are covered, divided into seven thematic chapters: abuse and neglect, aging, alienation, death, expectations, nurturance, and portraits. A critical summary is provided for each story. ** end ** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:42:36 LCL Reply-To: RGINZBERG@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Need Librarians' Advice I have a student who wants to do a final (capstone) senior wmst project which involves constructing a bibliography [her interest is in laws regulating midwifery]. Not being, myself, a librarian, this looks to me like a fairly simple computer database search task (in fact, I ran several searches myself on several of the databases available to our campus, including FirstSearch! just to try to see what they would yield). I am now even more convinced than I was before that this is not the sort of task which will occupy the time and effort usually expected of a senior capstone project. HOWEVER, I do not wish to discourage this student from doing a legitimate bibliographic project which interests her, just due to my own ignorance about library science or bibliographic research. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows more about the complexities of bibliographic research, either (1) why & how this is a more significant project that it initially appears to me, OR (2) suggestions I could offer to help turn it into such a project while retaining her initial commitment to having feminist bibliographic research be the central focus of the project. Thanks in advance, and please respond privately. I appreciate your help! ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 14:54:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Warning -- RSCS tag indicates an origin of $SMTPSRV@UMDD From: "Helen Ryan 335-5945 (319)" Subject: Robin Chandler A PhD student at the U of Iowa is desperately seeking Robin Chandler, African American scholar, last reported to be associated with Northeastern U. in Boston, an a presenter at this year's MIT conference "Black Women in the Academy." Please respond to me directly: Helen Ryan Librarian University of Iowa Libraries cadhrlts@uiamvs.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 15:50:39 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: davida.j.alperin@UWRF.EDU Subject: ws career info. I am writing to see if anyone has any documentation on the value of having a women's studies major or minor at the under-graduate level on the job market. A student member of our Women's Studies Committee had heard that women in the College of Agriculture were being advised not to minor in women's studies because it might be a liability on the job market. We are thinking about the possibility of holding a career workshop. This would likely include information on graduate programs in women's studies and job search stategies, etc.. However it would also be useful to present more specific information on the types of jobs women's studies minors and majors have been able to get with an undergraduate degree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davida J. Alperin Political Science Department Internet Address: University of Wisconsin - River Falls Davida.J.Alperin@uwrf.edu River Falls, Wisconsin 54022-5001 (715) 425-3318 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davida J. Alperin Political Science Department Internet Address: University of Wisconsin - River Falls Davida.J.Alperin@uwrf.edu River Falls, Wisconsin 54022-5001 (715) 425-3318 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 15:56:40 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kara Curtis I am presently doing research on older women's issues. I am trying to locate any information on public hearings, conference proceedings, congressional hearings on older women's issues in the last five years. I am developing a statement as to why the government needs to focus on older women's issues. Therefore, I am not focusing on any particular issue at this point. Any suggestions would be helpful for my search. I can be reached at kacurtis@suvm.syr.edu Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 14:13:40 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sonja Elison Subject: EUROPEANIST CONFERENCE/APRIL 94 I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE OUT THERE MIGHT BE GOING TO THE EUROPEANIST CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO IN APRIL? IF SO, AND IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SHARING A ROOM, PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY, SONJA ELISON DEPT OF POLITICAL SCIENCE GONZAGA UNIVERSITY SPOKANE, WA 99258 OR ELISON@GONZAGA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 14:20:47 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurie Zink Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure In-Reply-To: <199402032106.QAA19203@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Sheila Dickison" at Feb 2, 94 9:01 pm I would like to throw out a question about university policies on extension of tenure time for women who have a child or who are primary caregivers. Should these policies be limited to women? What if a man wants to play a major role in a child's early years? Laurie Zink zinkl@ucs.orst.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:32:41 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: pat ulbrich Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 3 Feb 1994 14:20:47 PST from It seems reasonable that extension of tenure for childcare should be available for men as well as women. Indeed, the University of Miami, Florida adopted a policy stopping the tenure clock for a year for male or female faculty for the purpose of childcare. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 16:38:20 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra K Herzan-2 Subject: Re: Ultrafeminists and Radical Liberals In-Reply-To: <01H8FV82HZSIDF8NQ6@VX.CIS.UMN.EDU> I must add a tidbit I found in the Minneapolis STARTRIBUNE this morning regarding Ollie North. In his column George Will (of all people!) reported that: On "Face the Nation" he [North] was read a paragraph from one of his fund-raising letters, in which he says "an arrogant army of ultra-feminists, opposed to traditional family values, has captured the political process." Challenged to name even one, North hemmed and hawed and then declared the subject "irrelevant." There will be many such moments between now and the June nominating convention. Will proceeds to argue that electing North could be the worst thing for conservatism saying "Identifying conservatism with this loose cannon on the pitching deck of American politics is a recipe for recurring embarrassments on the right." What planet indeed! Sandy Herzan English Department University of Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:51:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rubina Ramji Subject: info for documentary feminist films hello, i'm looking for information about film making in canada. an associate of mine wants to put together a documentary in the field of feminism. i would like to get some information about various aspects of this documentary. firstly, i would like to know from those on the list what you consider to be a topic that NEEDS to be looked at, something you would consider important in the feminist field that would be worht covering. i am also interested in finding out how to go about getting funding and names of companies that put out/carry/publish feminist films. we are both ph.d candidates at the university of ottawa, so funding can be either from commercial or academic sources. any information or comments would be greatly appreciated. thanks for your time, rubina ramji university of ottawa rramji@aix1.uottawa.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 18:03:39 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kim Hall Subject: Lillian Smith Conference Announcement *************** CALL FOR PAPERS ************ CONFERENCE ON LILLIAN SMITH On October 7-9, 1994, Georgetown University Women's Studies Program will be sponsoring a three day conference on the work and legacy of Lillian Smith. The Conference will mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of Smith's most famous novel, STRANGE FRUIT. The interdisciplinary conference will feature a keynote address by writer Michelle Cliff, who edited Smith's book THE WINNER NAMES THE AGE. Papers are being considered for (but are not limited to) the following topics: Myth and Metaphor, the literary landscape of the South; Race and Racism, the movement toward equality in the segregated South; Gender and Sexuality, breaking the construct of the "Southern Woman." Papers should be submitted by March 1, 1994 to: Lillian Smith Conference, c/o Leona Fisher, English Department, 306 New North, Georgetown University, Washington D.C. 20057-1048. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 13:53:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Joan D. Mandle" Subject: Re: Wolf's Fire with Fire I have assigned Wolf's book in my into class and it has generated very good discussions. There are parts the students like alot and others about which they disagree. What it does lend itself to is addressing "What is to be done" with respect to feminism and social change, a subject around which my course is focused. It is not a scholarly treatment and she gets lots of things wrong, but I explain it as a polemic with which to generate discussion and it's worked well at that level. I also have them read The Feminine Mystique at the beginning of the course and it is an interesting project to look at "pop" feninist books thirty years apart! Joan D. Mandle jdmandle@colgateu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:38:41 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: d000wgsp@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU Subject: Policy on leave from tenure (couldn't send privately) From: IN%"postmaster@BSUVC.bsu.edu" "PMDF Mail Server" 2-FEB-1994 23:56:25.82 To: IN%"postmaster@BSUVC.bsu.edu", IN%"D000WGSP@BSUVC.bsu.edu" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure Return-path: <> Received: from LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu by LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #3154) id <01H8FFEJR6348WYLW8@LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:53:37 EST Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 23:53:37 -0500 (EST) From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure To: postmaster@BSUVC.bsu.edu, D000WGSP@BSUVC.bsu.edu Message-id: <01H8FFRTR22U8WYLW8@LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID o+wg7iTHl2vptrWDDxIHEQ)" --Boundary (ID o+wg7iTHl2vptrWDDxIHEQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: sheilad681@alo.com.edu Reason: Illegal host/domain name found. --Boundary (ID o+wg7iTHl2vptrWDDxIHEQ) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Received: from LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu by LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #3154) id <01H8FB0T13D68Y7EEQ@LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:40:26 EST Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 21:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: d000wgsp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: tenure policy Sender: D000WGSP@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu To: sheilad681@alo.com.edu Message-id: <01H8FB0T1D0S8Y7EEQ@LEO.BSUVC.bsu.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"sheilad681@alo.com.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ball State University in Muncie Indiana has a policy whereby one can ask to have up to two years not count towards tenure if: the faculty member is seriously ill the fm is principal care giver for a son/stepson or daughter/stepd the fm is the principal caregiver for a family member who is seriously ill the fm will be on leave for at least one semester of the academic year This policy is not sex-bound, in other words, it applies to both men and women. Good luck! Irene Goldman 00icgoldman@bsuvc.bsu.edu --Boundary (ID o+wg7iTHl2vptrWDDxIHEQ)-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 18:44:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathleen Garay Subject: Re: Need Librarians' Advice In-Reply-To: <199402032201.RAA25734@umd5.umd.edu> Ruth - a great question for the librarians and I am sure all of us would learn from some informed answers. Could we have replies to the list please Joan? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:31:25 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Stephanie Riger Subject: "young Turks" I shared Georgia NeSmith's message (about her frustration with negative teaching evaluations) with a colleague. Her message contained the phrase "young Turk." My colleague responded with the following information. I had no idea of the origin of the phrase (and have used it on occasion myself), and thought others might not know either, so I'm posting this here. Stephanie Riger The message from Georgia NeSmith as forwarded by Stephanie Riger contained the term "young turk". Ms. NeSmith described herself as a "young turk". For those of us who feel we should not use offensive terms a little history is in order. The Young Turks were a faction that came to power in Turkey around the turn of the century. They supported the notion of Turkey as a modern nation-state and believed Turkey would have to be "cleansed" of outsiders, particularly the Armenians. Massacres of Armenians, culminating in the Armenian genocide of 1915 were carried out under the Young Turk government. The genocide of the Armenians was the first great "ethnic cleansing" and a model upon which Hitler devised his strategy for "dealing with" the Jews. Young Turk is an offensive term to Armenians and offensive to others who are aware of this history. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:50:49 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Isley Subject: Re: evaluations & feminism In-Reply-To: your message of Wed Feb 2 20:59:31 EST 1994 Before I reply further, I'm wondering how the evaluation process worked. What materials were included in the review? At what point(s) in the term did the review take place? Was their a divisional representative involved, etc. I am on my campus's evaluations committee, and I can see how discrimination is possible, especially on the basis of student evaluations, but I want to know more before I say more. Irene Isley iisley@uwcmail.uwc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:00:00 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Robin Yaffe HPERD Subject: other list info I have a colleague who is not on the list who heard about a list for people interested in urinary incontinence, a topic in which she is conducting research. If anyone knows how to subscribe to that list please respond privately to kyepes@moe.coe.uga.edu I know she would really appreciate it. Thanks Robin Yaffe ryaffe@moe.coe.uga.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:42:59 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "MARY E. FISCHER" Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure It is interesting to note that women who were indentured servants were required to extend their indenture for one year if they had a child. ---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---: Mary E. Fischer Mary-Fischer@uiowa.edu ---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---; ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:50:08 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DDM@CUNYVMS1.BITNET Subject: call for papers/info I am proposing a special session to the MLA in December in San Diego on "Other Mothers" I would like to look at representations of mother- hood that diverge from the expected. I welcome abstracts or papers by March 1 from anyone who is interested. Secondly, I am working on a dissertation on maternal infanticide and am currenty trying to assemble a list of texts. I have the most obvious suspects--from Beloved to Adam Bede--but I am particularly interested in depictions from slave narratives. Please send me privately anything that might be helpful. Thank you so much. Deirdre Day-MacLeod CUNY-GC ddm.cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu 475 Dean St. Brooklyn NY 11217 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 05:02:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Hilve A. Firek" Subject: Re: Ultrafeminists and Radical Liberals In-Reply-To: <199402040009.TAA10956@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Rene T.A. Lysloff" at Feb 2, 94 9:37 pm On a similar note, Oliver North was instrumental in orchestrating the defeat of former state attorney Mary Sue Terry for Virginia's governor. He said at a fund raiser for rival George Allen that the governor's mansion should be home to a governor, his wife, and their "laughing children." He then proceeded to attack Terry for being single and childless. Sadly, North seems to be a strong contender for the Republican nomination for the Senate in Virginia. According to Rene T.A. Lysloff: > > For those of you interested in general attitudes toward feminism, > you might want to look at the statements made recently by Conservative > Senate candidate Oliver North (yes, Mr. Iran-Contra Scandal), published > by Rueters last Monday or so. He spoke of the "arrogant army of > ultrafeminists" that have "captured the political process." What's > seems to be going is a kind of parallel to past conservative attempts > to marginalize a legitimate political and intellectual movement--I'm > recalling the earlier painting of liberals as radicals with phrases > like "card-carrying liberal" (evoking the threat of communism). > > Similarily, North is making making feminism out to be a threat to the > American Way and to "traditional" Family Values, associating the > concept with legalized abortion, legalization of drugs, sexual license > (promoting condoms rather than abstinence), and so forth--note how > diverse ideas (and not all of them necessarily representing the views > of all feminists) are lumped together to equate "ultrafeminism" with > radical liberalism. I guess this means that feminists are just female > liberals. > > Rene T.A. Lysloff > University of Pittsburgh > RTLST7@vms.cis.pitt.edu > -- Hilve Firek, hfirek@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 09:00:49 -0500 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: No More Oliver North, please Hi. I'm writing in my capacity as WMST-L's Official Nag to remind everyone that the list is NOT the appropriate place for most messages about gender-related societal issues, including the recent thread about Oliver North. WMST-L has a serious problem with heavy mail volume; unless we all adhere to the list's focus--discussions of Women's Studies teaching, research, and program administration--mail volume will get completely out of hand, and many hundreds of subscribers will be forced to sign off. Of course, we all teach about gender-related societal issues, but that does NOT mean that such issues are appropriate per se for WMST-L. Questions of how to TEACH about these issues belong on WMST-L; more general discussions of these issues do not, nor do your opinions of Ollie North et al. Please be considerate of your fellow subscribers. Do not send inappropriate messages to the list. If you feel that WMST-L's restricted focus makes it not the list for you, you can unsubscribe by sending the two-word message UNSUB WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). If one address doesn't work for you, try the other or write to me PRIVATELY asking to be removed. Do NOT send messages about your subscription to WMST-L. Many thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 08:22:58 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Benay Blend Subject: Re: working/mothering/nurturing/independence I also completed my doctorate in American Studies when my children were small. At the time, my daughter wavered between being supportive and angry, partly because I wasn't like some of the mothers of her friends. To make a long story short, she is now a freshman at NYU studying film, and probably just as proud of me as I am of her. She admitted recently that she might not have made the move to New York without my example to lean on, so I agree that nurturing does take many forms, even if it takes nineteen years to see the results. Benay Blend Blend@NSULA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 09:37:54 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Sullivan Sociology Subject: Whorf Hypothesis The Whorf Linquistic Relativity Hypothesis has been controversial and also fairly heavily researched. Some sources: Gumperz et al. "Rethinking Linquistic Relativity," CURRENT ANTHROPOLOGY, 32 (Dec. 1991), 613-23. Hoffman et al., "The Linquistic Relativity of Person Cognition: An English-Chinese Comparison." JOURNAL OF PERSONALITY AND SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY, 51 (1986): 1097-1105. Kelling. LANGUAGE: MIRROR, TOOL, AND WEAPON. Nelson-Hall, 1975. Lucy and Schweder, "Whorf and His Critics: Linquistic and Nonlinquistic Influences on Color Perception." AMERICAN ANTHROPOLOGIST, 81 (1979), 581-615. There is also a lot of sociological and psychological research on language use and its impacts. Specifically having to do with the he/she issue: Gastil, "Generic Pronouns and Sexist Language: The Oxymoronic Character of Masculine Generics." SEX ROLES, 23 (1990), 629-643. Switzer, "The Impact of Generic Word Choices: An Empirical Investigation of Age- and Sex-related Differences." SEX ROLES, 22 (1990), 69-82. SEX ROLES is a good journal for research on this topic. By the way, the research shows, not surprisingly, that language does make a difference. I posted this to the list since others might be interested in exploring this topic and developing an empirical base for what many suspect is true. Thomas J. Sullivan Professor of Sociology Department of Sociology and Social Work Northern Michigan University Marquette, MI 49855 bitnet: FATJ@NMUMUS ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:15:47 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Jean DeMarr Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure Our faculty handbook statement on tenure contains the following statement: "An interruption of the probationary period, reducing the academic year to less than a full-time service period, will result in a delay of tenure eligibility until the entire probationary period has been completed." The section titled "Maternity Leave Policy" states the following: "Sickness related to pregnancy or medically determined inability to work due to pregnancy is given the same consideration for sick leave with pay as other sickness or injury." Then the section for "Faculty and Administrative/Professional Staff" reads: "A member of the faculty and administrative/professional staff may, following childbirth, elect to take leave without pay in addition to leave with pay as stated above. For faculty, this election may extend to all or part of two (2) semesters, counting the semester during which childbirth occurs as one of the two (2) semesters . . ." It goes on with some other specifications. I thought I remembered language which referred to adoption as well as to childbirth but I can't find it; also I thought I remembered language enabling fathers to take the same kind of leave but again I can't find it. In brief, at Indiana State taking a semester's leave for childbirth, etc., does extend the pre-tenure probationary period. I hope this is helpful. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mary Jean DeMarr * * Department of English * * Indiana State University * * Terre Haute, IN 47803 * * (812) 237-3174 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:19:22 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Jean DeMarr Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure A PS to my posting about our maternity/pre-tenure policy: I now see the "Adoption Leave Policy" I referred to: It reads, in part: "A member of the faculty or administrative/professional staff may, following adoption of a child, elect to take leave without pay. For faculty, this election may extend to all or part of two (2) semesters during which adoption occurs," etc. The policy intentionally is gender neutral. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mary Jean DeMarr * * Department of English * * Indiana State University * * Terre Haute, IN 47803 * * (812) 237-3174 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:23:30 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: juicer Subject: Re: Whorf Hypothesis and "she/her" (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:47:34 -0800 from On Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:47:34 -0800 Harold Frank said: >Subject: Application of Wharf Hypothesis to use of she/her > >I recall reading long ago about Bejamen Wharf who is >associated with a hypothesis that goes something like this: > >"The structure (and more?) of the language people speak influences the >nature of the way people think." > >QUESTION: Is there anyone out there familiar with the Whorf Hypothesis >and related research? As I recall, they hypothesis was thought an >interesting one but not validated by any research. Well, it may be of interest to anyone looking into the Whorfian hypothesis that there exists a vast array of social psychological research on "pygmal- ian in the classroom," that is, expectancy effects. It would seem that lan- guage, as posited in the Whorfian hypothesis, expresses the expectancies that instructors have toward their students. In turn, these expectancies influence the behavior of the students. Thus we can expect that using 'he' or 'his' exclusively will influence students. There is much evidence of the expectancy effect and I would direct interested parties to review the literature on it by Robert Rosenthal, particularly his meta-analysis, which demonstrated striking effect sizes across the social sciences. In a side note, I recently read _Trauma and Recovery_ by Judith Herman. She used 'she' and 'hers' exclusively when describing sexual assault victims and child abuse victims. As a survivor of some abuse in my childhood I felt marginalized; as though this very bright author denied my experience (which I know is not the case). Nevertheless, it was disturbing. Yes, it makes a point, but I sincerely feel authors ought not to take the Whorfian hypoth- esis to justify reversing the roles. Evan Harrington Cannibal@vm.temple.edu Temple University, department of social psychology ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 09:39:36 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kristin Gerhard Subject: Advice from one librarian This is in response to Ruth Ginzberg's query about a student who wants to do a bibliography for a ws capstone project. Once upon a time the compiling of bibliographies in an of itself was an important professional activity of librarians. The advent of computer-based bibliographic databases has made list generation fairly simple, however, and we tend not to regard the compilation of a simple bibliography as a professional or intellectual activity. I think that a bibliography such as the one your student proposed could, however, provide the basis for a project that required a higher level of thought and evaluation. Beyond the simple list bibliography (which is in fact more complicated to put together for a subject in an interdisciplinary field than for one in a traditional discipline), there are two options I can think of that might meet your requirements. First, an annotated bibliography requires that the student obtain copies of and read all the materials she lists. Then a brief annotation (descriptive is simplest; analytical/evaluative requires deeper thought) is written for each item. Second, a bibliographic essay would require that the student go one step further. A bibliographic essay (with simple bibliography of all the works discussed appended) discusses the most important, influential, or representative works in an area or on a subject. The discussion is organized around the works and indicates all the relevant positions/biases of the works, and the unique contributions of each. This kind of project requires a great deal more thought than either a simple or a descriptively annotated bibliography, as the student must collect references, read a fair amount, and evaluate what she reads to determine what works she should include in her essay and which she can ignore. Often it helps to consult reference works and bibliographies already prepared on the subject or related subjects to see what others in the field have thought about the materials she is reading -- this makes it easier to identify seminal works because they keep getting referred to over and over. Finally, I would note that what I've presented here is really a continuum of possiblities. For example, an annotated bibliography can look just like a simple bibliography with added annotations, or it can be organized in a much more thoughtful way. Places to look for some examples of annotated bibliographies or bibliographic essays on specific subjects: _Choice_ has some kind of bibliographic essay every month, and _RQ_ often (if not every month; I'm not a reference librarian and this is a journal by/for reference librarians) has annotated bibliographies of varying complexity. Kris Gerhard Catalog Librarian/Education Selector Iowa State University jl.khg@isumvs.iastate.edu jl.khg@isumvs.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:50:30 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "KAREN HICKS (KARENH@JOE.ALB.EDU)" <"LUCY::KARENH"@JOE.ALB.EDU> Subject: Re: Wolf's Fire with Fire I was surprised to see several comments calling Wolf's book *trash*. Then there were several more thoughtful reflections and commentaries. I have not read the book yet but from the comments of Joan Mandle, I am reinforced in my desire to get it and consider it for classroom adoption. (I also saw the first-page review of it in *Women's Review of Books*). The main point of this posting is to point you in the direction of my own book *Surviving the Dalkon Shield IUD*, which has just been published by the Athene Series of Teachers College Press. I have made many of the same points as Wolf. My book is a first-person account of "doing feminism" and in it, I reflect on the grand disappointments I had when I contacted various organized and well-known feminist movements for assistance. I would call myself just an ordinary woman when I began this campaign for social justice. I also talk in the book about what I labeled the *power of the purse* and the greater need for economic retaliations of all sorts. If you want to criticize Wolf's book, please do it intelligently and don't resort to words like *trash.* Some of you are probably familiar with the literature's references to *trashing.* I dealt with that in my book, also. If Wolf is speaking from from her hunches than from *valid data*, then look at my book as a comprehensive example of what she is talking about. Sincerely, Karen M. Hicks Albright College, Reading, PA Internet address: karenh@joe.alb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 09:06:13 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "K. Durack" Subject: ideas about ws/feminism The recent discussion about where women get their ideas about feminism and the concern expressed by someone (can't remember who--sorry :) about students being discouraged to minor in ws overlooked a growing medium for female/ws bashing: the net. All it takes is a quick look at Usenet News to confirm this suspicion. _Wired_, a paper magazine that theoretically reflects net culture, also reflects some seriously backward ideas about women and women's place (just look at how women appear in the ads). (In all fairness, they have made a nod or two toward women readers, but these seem mostly token efforts). The following is a relevant item I pulled off of a "best of usenet humor" newsgroup. Katherine Durack kdurack@nmsu.edu ---------- [snip -header stuff deleted. origin: soc.women] anispew@wam.umd.edu (Shortest Straw) writes: > Incident: Another set of woman's studies majors picked out several > hundred male names from the directory and put up posters > all over campus with these names and a caption saying > "potential rapists." Hee. Woman's studies major. Talk about worthless, tasteless degrees. Just what kind of a job is a person who's majored in woman's studies quailifed to do? Could you imagine being an employeer and getting one of their resumes? What a riot! I know I'd interview the person. I have a mental picture of the interview... Me: Good morning Mizz X, may I get you a cup of coffee? X: No thank you, I don't drink, or make coffee. Me: You do understand that you've applied for a job as a waitress, don't you? Making coffee IS part of the job description. X: Making coffee has been considered women's work for to long, therefore, I will not make it. Me: Hmmm, I see. From your job application that you've just graduated from the University of Maryland. What is your degree in? X: Women's studies. Me: I see. What was your biggest accomplishment at school? X: I organized a group of women and we got a list of about 100 men, made a poster titled 'Potential Rapists,' and posted it all around campus. I'm very proud of that. By the way, have you noiticed that there are an awful lot of potential rapists at this restaurant right now? Me: Errr, no, I didn't notice. How can you tell them from the other patrons? X: They're the ones that make the waitress serve them. Me: Uh, that IS what a waitress is hired to do. X: Not any more. Me: I see. Mizz X, just how did you come up with your list of potential rapists? X: Oh, we just picked random names of men at the university. Me: Hmmm, I see. Have you got any questions for me? X: Yes, just how much does this job pay? Me: $6.50 an hours, plus any tips. X: $6.50?! Excuse me! My calculations place this job's comparetive worth at $16.50 an hour. Me: I see. X: When do I start? I got a lot of things around here I going to change. I'm going to start with.... Me: Next! Bob -- This person is currently under going electric shock therapy at Agnews Developmental Center in San Jose, California. All his opinions are static, please ignore him. Thank you, Nurse Ratched -- Postings to alt.humor.best-of-usenet reflect what the submittor considers to be the best of usenet humor. All submissions are the responsibility of the sub- mittor. The moderator serves only to remove duplicates, copyrighted material, and redirect followups, and does not drop articles due to content. See the alt.humor.best-of-usenet charter for more information. Sigs may be truncated. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 12:19:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia NeSmith Subject: "Young Turks" I want to thank Stephanie Riger for sharing her colleague's response to the term "Young Turk." I had no idea of its historical origins. It could be interesting to trace how/why it came to be used as a term to refer to outspoken new faculty who are trying to change/update their departments. The fact that historically it referred to a group that enaged in "ethnic cleansing" speaks loudly for the attitudes of those who use it in an academic sense to reflect negatively on new faculty seeking to change the status quo. Indeed, if one adds the ramifications of the original historical context to the academic, particularly with respect to feminist and other forms of critical scholarship, it takes on rather frightening connotations, suggesting that those who seek change have something in common with genocidal movements. Georgia NeSmith gnesmith@acspr1.acsp.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:12:56 +0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Eileen Boris Subject: Re: Ultrafeminists and Radical Liberals In-Reply-To: <199402041354.PAA10306@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> from "Hilve A. Firek" at Feb 4, 94 05:02:55 am As a resident of the state of Virginia, I'm dismayed at the thought of mr. Iran-Contra as my senator (though Robb isn't very good and if Wilder runs. . . ). Living abroad this academic year, I feel I have to wait until I return home in June. But I'd love to hear from feminists in the state about what is being planned to counter the Republican Right! Eileen Boris Univ. of Helsinki Eileen.Boris@Helsinki.Fi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:31:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Elza Subject: Re: faculty evaluations In-Reply-To: <199402040340.WAA04845@umd5.umd.edu> Tenure, Discrimination and the courts by terry leap argues that multiple sources be used. Other books suggested: Peter Seldin, Successful Evaluation Program,s (Crugers, NY) Changing practices in faculty evaluation (Jossey-bass) Subconscious sex bias and labor market reality, an article by stephen baldwin in july, l979 labor law journal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:05:26 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Subject: WS Faculty Qualifications Hello. We are in the process of developing a WS major. Our VP for Academic Affairs has brought up the question of qualifications. If noone on our faculty has a bone fide Women's Studies degree then perhaps we aren't qualified to offer said major. We have responded that it is only currently that WS grad programs have produced graduates. My question to you: how many of your programs have WS faculty who actually have WS degrees? Thanks. Mary Beth Ahlum-Heath Nebraska Wesleyan University mba@NebrWesleyan.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:17:46 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dana Watanabe Subject: Re: Whorf Hypothesis and "she/her" In-Reply-To: <199402040756.CAA07459@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Chris Jazwinski" at Feb 3, 94 8:58 am > >For some years I have tried to use "she" or "her" when referring to > >managers in rotation with "he" and "him." After reading some of the > >discussion on the list in recent weeks I decided to use she and her > >most of the time, allowing my conditioning to produce the he and him > >now and then. One interesting Internet thing, is the directions to some encryption software called PGP. (Pretty Good Privacy) This software can be used to encrypt files, or more specifically, email. It was given a LOT of attention in the computer community, espescially with a lot of prestigious members giving it considerable support. The interesting thing is that the directions are written with only "she" and "her" being used. When i first read the directions, i was very impressed because i thought the man who had done this was being very cool in switching between "he" and "she" alternately. Until i hit the second sentence, where it was still "she." So i assumed it would switch by paragraph, and later by section, etc. etc. until finally i gave up on reading the directions and had to look through the whole thing trying to find a "he" "him" or "his" somewhere. After realizing what a powerful affect on me, i realized that it could be a very important tool and am trying to adopt a similar method of speaking and writing. I also use (as is easily noticeable) lower case rather than capital 'i's' for an assortment of reasons. With both of these, i get very interesting comments on papers that i have written. Which makes me wonder if i should preface my first writing for a given class, or any writing in general with an explanation of what i am doing, as a TA recently suggested i might do. Another issue, is the idea of ALWAYS using "she." I noticed that someone was going through examples of different types of students was alternating "he" and "she" but her examples were also alternating between good and bad students, and guess who was the good student and who wasnt. :) So, i thought, it might be good to not use "she" when describing a negative situation or something not positive. Other people have thought that this was a bit extreme, but i tend to think that could be a good thing. :) , dana ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 14:42:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Isley Subject: Re: Re-Visioning Mamet In-Reply-To: your message of Thu Feb 3 10:49:28 CST 1994 Felicia, I can't send to your e-mail. I have a short list for you. Irene Isley UMC-Marathon County 518 S. 7th Ave. Wausau, WI 54401 iisley@uwcmail.uwc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:53:19 CST-6CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "DAVID J. SORRELLS" Organization: Univ. N. Texas English Dept. Subject: subscribe "subscribe David Sorrells" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 14:55:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Isley Subject: Re: call for papers/info In-Reply-To: your message of Thu Feb 3 20:50:08 EST 1994 Deirdre, For some reason, I can't send to your e-mail and I want to get in touch with you. Are you interested in a paper on the mother with cancer? I see her as a metaphor--Joan Didion's *A Book of Common Prayer*, Coetzee's *Age of Iron*, etc. Irene Isley iisley@uwcmail.uwc.edu 518 S. 7th Ave. Wausau, WI 54401 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 12:01:35 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Ervin-Tripp Subject: glass ceilings A colleague here asked me what the best work on glass ceilings has been. I assured her this net would be the quickest source for quality, since there must be LOTS of material by now. I have collected about 40 items from the electronic library but would appreciate evaluative proposals. Susan Ervin-Tripp Psychology Dept Berkeley ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 12:06:33 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacquelyn Marie Subject: Laws on midwives To all concerned: We had a student who did an excellent thesis on midwifery with much on legislation. Just checking MAGS database (combo of academic and popular journals I found 4 under subject Midwives Laws but there is much more in Westlaw (or Lexis) database if students have access to that. Jacquelyn Marie, Librarian, UCSC jmarie@scilibx.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:40:38 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gretchen T Legler-1 Subject: CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT "Thinking, Writing, Teaching, and Creating Social Justice" An Interdisciplinary Working Conference Sponsored By The University of Minnesota Center for Advanced Feminist Studies and the Rockefeller Foundation Humanist-in-Residence Program April 22-24, 1994 Minneapolis, Minnesota The Center for Advanced Feminist Studies at the University of Minnesota is sponsoring a conference on "Thinking, Writing, Teaching, and Creating Social Justice," April 22-24, 1994. The conference is the culmination of CAFS' Rockefeller Humanist-in-Residence Project, "Theorizing Female Diversity: The Social Construction of Difference." Each of the recipients of the Rockefeller Humanist-in-Residence grant over the five years of its administration will be returning to participate. They include: Mae Henderson (English, University of Illinois at Chicago), Kath Weston (Anthropology, Arizona State University), Marilyn Frye (Philosophy, Michigan State University), Mrinalini Sinha (History, Boston College), Francoise Lionnet (French and Comparative Literature, Northwestern University), Obioma Nnaemeka (French and Women's Studies, Indiana University), Alice Adams (English, Miami University), Oyeronke Oyewumi (Black Studies, University of California at Santa Barbara), and this year's Humanist-in-Residence, Lisa Bower (Political Science and Women's Studies, Arizona State University). Along with these scholars, there will also be six other presenters: Mary Romero (Sociology, University of Oregon), VeVe Clark (African-American Studies, University of California at Berkeley), Rhonda Williams (African-American Studies, University of Maryland), Peggy Pascoe (History, University of Utah), Kathryn Shanley (English, Cornell University), and Diana Velez (Spanish and Portuguese, University of Iowa). This is to be a working conference consisting of panel presentations, and large and small group discussion. The focus of the conference is to generate discussion about the future of feminist inquiry and the relationship between feminist theory and practice. Graduate students may attend the conference free, but must register. Faculty and other conference attendees will be charged a small fee. A collection of papers will be available ahead of time. Please write or call for a brochure to Nancy Grubb, Professional Development and Conference Services, 222 Nolte Center, 315 Pillsbury Drive, S.E., University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455-0139 (612-625-6358). Gretchen Legler legle002 @maroon.tc.umn.edu University of Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:24:41 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Lyverse Subject: Ruralfeminists in the us I'm researching the function of feminist publications in the lives of rural feminists in the midwest. I believe that they create a "public space," or a place of visible identity and discourse for rural feminists, who often experience geographic, politcal social and economic isolation in the midwest. I'm looking for resources and or contacts on or near this topic. Please respond privately and I will post a summary to the list if people are interested. Thanks for your help. Mary Lyverse "mcl@vax1.Mankato.msus.edu" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:51:03 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dana Watanabe Subject: Re: ideas about ws/feminism In-Reply-To: <199402041743.MAA16771@umd5.umd.edu>; from "K. Durack" at Feb 4, 94 9:06 am K. Durack said: > The recent discussion about where women get their ideas about feminism > and the concern expressed by someone (can't remember who--sorry :) about > students being discouraged to minor in ws overlooked a growing medium for > female/ws bashing: the net. All it takes is a quick look at Usenet News to > confirm this suspicion. _Wired_, a paper magazine that theoretically > reflects net culture, also reflects some seriously backward ideas about > women and women's place (just look at how women appear in the ads). (In > all fairness, they have made a nod or two toward women readers, but these > seem mostly token efforts). One interesting thing is that the editor or someone high up at WiReD is a woman. (Not that would necesarily mean anything) Of course WiReD is also the ones that made Women's Inforfmation and Resource E?? (WIRE) change into Women's WIRE... BUT, in a discussion of whether or not what WiReD was doing was sexist, i used all the wonderful things that i have learned in my Women's Studies classes to prove why although it didnt necesarily look like it, it definitely was. And after that, the spokesperson for WiReD agreed with me and was surprised that she really hadnt seen it that way before. The wonders of theory in action. , dana ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:14:14 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Caroline Brettell Subject: Re: WS Faculty Qualifications In-Reply-To: <199402042202.RAA14549@umd5.umd.edu> It sounds to me as if the dean who asks for people with WS degrees (i.e. PhDs) before you can put a program in place is not on your side and setting up artificial barriers. There are very few places in the country that offer such--Clark, Alabama (i think), Mankato State; more programs offer a PhD in a traditional discipline (like history) with a specialization (eg. Women's history). What your dean does not understand is that Women's Studies is interdisciplinary and can therefore call on the pooled talents of people from a variety of disciplines. As Director of our program I teach our introductory course. I am an anthropologist, but I find myself teaching history and literature. It is a stretch, but that is the challenge. If you let this dean insist you will be waiting a long time before you put a program in place! Caroline Brettell, SMU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:35:36 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ilene S Alexander Subject: CHICANA/ASIAN-AMERICAN FEMINIST PEDAGOGY I'm at work on a dissertation chapter in which I write about teaching as part of a multiracial feminist teaching team; my co-teachers have given me much to think about based on their writings about co-teaching. But we share in disappointment in our small stack of writings by chicana and Asian-American feminist teachers. If anyone on the list can point us in the direction of pieces written by Chicana feminist or Asian-American feminist teachers, we'd be most grateful. And I will post what we find/hear. Thanks. Ilene Alexander alexandr@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu idalexander@alex.stkate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:44:42 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheila Dickison Subject: Re: Extended time to... Thanks ever so much for responses to my request for information re extended time to tenure. When I get the information collected, I will report what I have found. I think the best policy will be one that applies to both female and male faculty (that's what I meant by "primary caregivers"). If you wish to send me information re your institution's policy that "stops the tenure clock", please respond privately to S_Dickison@sfa.ufl.edu. Sheila Dickison I ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:57:53 -0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure In-Reply-To: I don't know if this may be of any help to you since I am talking about=20 the situation in Brazil. But I think others may be interested in knowing=20 that according to our 'new' Federal Constitution, all women workers in=20 Brazil should have=20 120 days maternity leave with pay and cannot be fired for five months=20 upon returning to work. Men get only one week off for paternity leave. It= =20 is important to stress that bosses try to circumvent the new legislation=20 by hiring only women who present sterilization certificates... Besides,=20 Congress has just started to 'revise and ammend' the 'new' Constitution=20 (passed in 1988), and there is strong lobbying on the part of=20 corporations to lower the time for maternity leave and take paternity=20 leave out of the Constitution. The feminist movement is also lobbying to=20 prevent any change which would cut maternity leave. You could help us in=20 this struggle by sending messages to Congressman Nelson Jobim (President= =20 of the Revision Commission) and to Senator Eva Blay (a feminist=20 sociologist), in favor of maintaining our maternity rights. For more=20 information, write (snail-mail or via fax) to: Rede REVI- Rede do Movimento de Mulheres para a Revisao c/o CFEMEA- Centro Feminista de Estudos e Assessoria CLN 111 Bloco C sala 18 70754-530 - Bras=A1lia, D.F. - BRASIL Fax: (061) 273-9419 Cecilia Sardenberg cecisard@sunrnp.ufba.br P.S.: I just realized I started this message offering my help and closed=20 it asking for your help. But this is what feminism is all about: women=20 helping women accross boundaries and oceans... =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 22:10:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "M.J. Larrabee" Subject: Re: crones I got started on crones last year when I turned 50, experienced a lot of the thi ngs Ruth Ginzberg has mentioned, and needed to address the omnipresence of "pros tmodernist" discourse. So--a comeback! Yeh! Keep it up! Mary Jeanne Larrabee Women's Studies & Philosophyu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 00:39:19 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: constance morris shortlidge Subject: Re: CHICANA/ASIAN-AMERICAN FEMINIST PEDAGOGY In-Reply-To: <9402050036.AA22178@hydra.unm.edu> from "Ilene S Alexander" at Feb 4, 94 06:35:36 pm there is a hispanic professor at California State University, Sacramento, Olivia Castellano???not sure this is her name, she teaches in the English dept., and she had a wonderful article in WOmen's Review of Books several years ago on teaching and the issues concerning hispanic women. constance shortlidge, stlidge@hydra.unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 03:13:31 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: WS Faculty Qualifications In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:05:26 CST from it's too soon to be looking for faculty with doctorates in ws. there've been only a few in the country, eg, history of women, women in literature. i haven't kept up with this for a few years. nwsa may have the data, or feminist press. at cuny, ws faculty are still in the "pioneer" stage, have been and do feminist scholarship. we have a ws certificate program so far: students do a doctorate in a trad discipline and a concentration in ws (4 core courses and 2 on women in their doctoral program). we're discussing the next move, to the ph.d beatrice cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 09:16:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Authorization to post messages (User's Guide) Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin "Revision:". Here is section three: 3) "I'VE TRIED TO POST A MESSAGE TO THE LIST, BUT I RECEIVED A MESSAGE BACK SAYING THAT I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO SO. I'M A SUBSCRIBER--WHY WAS I TOLD I'M NOT AUTHORIZED?" Only people whom the LISTSERV software recognizes as subscribers can post messages on WMST-L. To subscribe, send the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): SUB WMST-L Your Name (e.g., SUB WMST-L Jane Smith). If you've already subscribed to WMST-L and you run into problems, chances are that you subscribed under a different address than the one from which you sent your recent message--e.g., you subscribed under your Bitnet address and then sent a message from your Internet address. The LISTSERV software recognizes subscribers by their e-mail address. If you subscribe under a Bitnet [or Internet] address, you have to send all messages to LISTSERV and WMST-L from that same address. If you are unsuccessful posting a message to the list's Bitnet address, try sending the message to the list's Internet address. ****************** Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 10:23:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Giavanna J. Munafo" Subject: 'where do they learn' thread If anyone has been saving and collecting messages re: "where do they learn" and others that have been posted in response to these discussions of feminism, students' sources of it, antifeminism, backlash, etc., please let me know. If not, I plan to go through the archives and collect them into a file as a resource for a project I'm working on. Let me know, too, if you'd like a copy of such a package of these messages once it's together. Thanks-- Giavanna Munafo gjm9u@darwin.clas.virginia.edu PS: If I do it myself, it might not happen right away. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 11:17:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College" Subject: Re: Extended time toward tenure Sheila-- One assumes that the proposal is to extend time for tenure to any faculty member, regardless of gender, who is the primary caregiver to an infant? If not, it would be wise to ammend it to this phrasing, and to be care- ful to speak about it this way. My experience has been that feminist proposals, even though, as in this case, they would benefit mainly women, tend to do better when they are put in gender-neutral terms. FWIW. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 11:29:09 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: FILM REVIEW ADDED: The Summer House On Saturday, February 5, 1994 I reviewed "The Summer House" on "The Women's Show" a weekly feminist radio program on station WMNF-FM (88.5) in Tampa, Florida. To obtain a copy of the list send the following command to Listserv @UMDD (Bitnet) or UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): GET FILM REV102 FILM To obtain a list of all the film reviews available, send a message to the same listserv address that says: INDEX FILM To get more than one review, put each command on a separate line: GET FILM REV6 FILM GET FILM REV14 FILM GET FILM REV39 FILM The opinions expressed in these reviews were mine when I wrote the review and represent one woman's opinion at a particular time.We have over 2200 subscribers to WMST-L so there are probably 2199 other views. If you would like to share yours, please do NOT do so on the WMST-L itself, but send your messages to me personally at the addresses below. I have appreciated the feedback I've received. Thanks. Linda ****Linda Lopez McAlister ****HYPATIA ****University of South Florida. SOC 107 ****Tampa, FL 33620 (813) 974-5531 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 13:26:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: rh19 In-Reply-To: <199402041048.FAA25160@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, You may want to contact OLOC PO Box 98042 Houston, TX 77098. This is an organization of Old Lesbians. They will have some material focused on your interests. Are you an old woman? Ruth. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 13:24:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "Susan Mumm, York U, Canada" Subject: Re: WS Faculty Qualifications In-Reply-To: note of 02/05/94 03:51 York University in Toronto has recently established a graduate program in women's studies: as far as I know it is the first in Canada. If other universities follow the lead, soon there should be a steady trickle of women with advanced degrees looking for academic jobs. smumm@vm2.yorku.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 10:56:14 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Judy B. ROSENER" Subject: Re[2]: WS Faculty Qualifications UCIrvine also has a graduate program in Women's Studies. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 14:59:50 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patricia Johnson Organization: University of Dayton Subject: TENURE AND PROMOTION The Associate Prvost at my institution has asked me to consult with the various Deans regarding processes of tenure and promotion and things that work against and for women in this process. He is interested in getting the Deans to establish some policies and processes that will be more fair and that will take these inssues into account. If you know of articles of if your institution has guidelines, please send them to me at: johnsonp@chekov.hm.udayton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 14:20:37 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christy Woodward Subject: Re: TENURE AND PROMOTION So sorry, forgot to include my e-mail Christy POL_CAW@SHSU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:47:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Myers, Joann" Subject: Re: where do they learn In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of SAT 05 FEB 1994 15:20:37 EST Yesterday I had an horrible experience with the Director of Admissions. He was talking about the need to improve the college's academic reputation and was looking for input. When one of my male colleagues mentioned the Women & Society Conference that I co-direct (which is the only national academic conference held on campus annually), the director said he didn't want to publicize that to perspective students because it raises too many red flags..and we anyway we already enroll more female students (they have the higher cums overall too)...I need to reply to him in writing. I am so angry. This is not the first time that the conference has been given short shrift. But that is besides the point, even the incoming female students feel the need for support, they are trying to organize (the first attempt a few years back ended with the young women scattering to taunts of "lesbian"...) hopefully this year's attempt will succeed. Any suggestions on how I should handle the situation productively? [Marist was a church related institution until the late 70s, but still has that taint, but I thought there was potential... for real change...] I'd really appreciate some input/support. JoAnne Myers JZLY@MARISTB.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 17:06:52 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Michele L. Simms-Burton" Subject: Women's Conference in Beijing Last month I attended the Black Women in the Academy conference in Cambridge, MA where Angela Y. Davis mentioned a World Women's conference in Beijing. If anyone on the list has any information regarding this conference, I would appreciate it if you would share it with me. Kindly forward this info. to me at my e-mail address below. Thanks, Michele L. Simms-Burton TA808C@GWUVM.BITNET TA808C@GWUVM.GWU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 17:43:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Re: Where Do They Learn Re: Lucinda Peach comments/question on Naomi Wolf's Fire With Fire. In the February 1994 issue of The Women's Review of Books, the lead review is on this book by Lesley Hazleton. Hazelton writes: "A much better and far more important book than Wolf's best-selling The Beauty Myth." UUnderstnandably "Understandably, Fire With Fire has touched off some very raw nerves within the ranks of the feminist movement. Yet most of the reaction has been not to its content, but to its style. I hear academic feminists criticizing it as "journalistic" by which I gather they mean by this that is to accessible, as though brillance lay only in incomprehensibility, and intellectual respectability in as limited an audi8ence as possible." >From the above, you see an alternative perspective. Jane ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 17:09:50 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shirley Scritchfield Subject: WS and American Studies Our American Studies program is in the process of re-organizing its curriculum and as part of that process, the Director has expressed an interest in a developing gender as an area of concentration. Does anyone have experiences with such a joint effort? What do you include in that concentration? Because we are in the very early stages of developing a WS program, I am unsure of possibilities and drawbacks...and welcome advice, etc. Please respond privately. Thanks!! Shirley ********************************************************** Shirley A. Scritchfield Ofc: (402) 280-2535 Dept of Sociology & Anthropology Fax: (402) 280-4731 Creighton University shirls@creighton.edu Omaha, NE 68178 (internet) ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 19:13:42 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Hunter Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Subject: Wolff, etc. In my opinion, the only important new (well, long-neglected) turf that is brought to light by Wolff and other such theorists (as celebrated in recent issue of ESQUIRE as the "do me feminists") is the area that is co-occupied by both the theorists who are concerned with sexual har- assment, objectification, dehumanization of the female, rape, etc../ vs. (well, sort of vs.), those whose attention is on the ways in which women experience, or are taught to experience, the phenomenon of being sexually attractive, and (most importantly) of being IN CONTROL of that interface, whether via utilizing it as potential female power or of foregoing it as being altogether "not what I want for myself", etc.... but either way as the form in which power is offered to females in this society... In my opinion, as male person and as person who appreciates feminist theory as the best reality-model going, there is currently a need to explore, consider, and otherwise reconcile the notions of female attractiveness-as-power (and not erase the experiences of women who experience this as actual power or those who experience it as power that they forego / disavow as being non-feminist, on the one hand; and the viewpoints of women who call our attention to female-attractiveness -as-vulnerability, (and here we need to authenticate the voices of female theorists whose voices are often erased or made fun of within academia), who point to the ways in which pornography, sexual object- ification, female sexual powerlessness within patriarchy, etc., can make the entire zone of "female capacity to attract" just another area in which men oppress women and make it sound otherwise. As a male, DEFINITELY drawing on the experience of BEING male, I am very strongly inclined to think that there is an unoccupied theoretical room waiting for a tenant to merge these two female experiences in a non-dismissive (e.g., "Well, these women experience what they exper- ience because their sexuality is 'socially constructed', whereas these women over here experience what they experience because that is how it really is") [sorry that was an example of dismissive; I presume I'm making at least fuzzy sense here???] ...in a non-dismissive theoretical structure. If (for the sake of conjecture) some theorist were to decide that it were to be timely and useful to co-author such a theory paper alongside of a male theorist with whom she felt she could communicate, I'd be very much honored to be considered for such a co-authorship. -Allan Hunter ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 19:57:45 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: constance morris shortlidge Subject: Re: call for papers/info In-Reply-To: <9402040829.AA00405@hydra.unm.edu> from "DDM@CUNYVMS1.BITNET" at Feb 3, 94 08:50:08 pm Deirde: I tried to get through to you on your e-mail an no such luck. Am having to post this on the W-STDY LIST> I think your possible panel sounds intriguing and would be interested in presenting a paper on vampire mothers, from stoker's dracula to gomez's the gilda stories. Are you interested? constance morris-shortlidge un of new mexico stlidge@hydra.unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 23:57:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Zoya Fansler Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing Please send information on the World Women's conference in Beijing to the list, if you have it. Thank you, Zoya Fansler fansler@umbc.umbc2.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:54:51 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Whorf Hypothesis and "she/her" (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:47:34 -0800 from yes, whorf argued that language determines cognition. he and edward sapir, both anthropologists, came up with interesting example, eg native american tribes wh ose language separates counting of visible object from counting time. for the former, number words are similar to ours. for the latter, where there are no discrete objects, the words mean flowing. so, there's no 6 o'clock but going into and from something like 6. and having many words for snow helps to see fine distinctions in textures of snow. but this means that at some point people thought in a particular way and invented words to fit thought. the point of all this is that thought and language work together. yes, there's empirical evidence that words direct thought, and are part of power systems. that's what the poststructuralists are saying. so the u.s. dictionary of occupational titles lists letter carriers, fire fighters, flight attendants, etc. on her and his, i prefer to list both and often use s/he. i insist that my students in ed classes use inclusive, non-sexist pronouns or be at fault in unlawful discrimination or unprofessional conduct or fuzzy thinking. if they describe children or attributes and use male pronouns only, then either they are discriminating against females or don't know about attributes common to females and males. an intersting problem that comes up: when "people" is used to avoid gendering, then important differences in treatment as a historical fact is disguised. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 07:50:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "IRENE HANSON FRIEZE. PSYCHOLOGY" Subject: Re: including feminism in core Like Deborah Sterns, I have found students to be quite responsive when I discuss feminist ideas about female sexuality as one of many historical and modern belief systems aobut human sexuality. Many are quite positive about these ideas--including men. Irene Frieze-now in Slovenia on a Fulbright irene.frieze@uni-lj.si ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 06:35:49 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Ervin-Tripp Subject: misunderstandings Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 13:52:56 +1300 From: Janet.Holmes@vuw.ac.nz Subject: Request refs on gender and miscommunication Request refs on gender and miscommunication I am looking for references on misunderstandings due to gender. The obvious ones are Maltz and Borker 1982 and Henley and Kramarae 1991. Does anyone know of any others? With thanks Janet Holmes holmesj@matai.vuw.ac.nz Janet Holmes, Linguistics Department, Victoria University of Wellington, PO Box 600. Wellington, New Zealand. (04) 4721000 X8796. Fax:(O4) 4712070 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:45:38 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kristina M Torgeson Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing In-Reply-To: <199402052209.AA25107@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu> I believe the conference Davis was referring to is the Non-Governmental Organization Women's Forum being held in Beijing in 1995 (the last one was held in 1985 in Nairobi, I think). I spent the past year in Beijing and know that there are a wide variety of women's groups in China planning activities for the forum dealing with women's issues in a global context. I will try to get a contact address for more specific information and post it to the list if there is interest. Kris Torgeson kmt1@columbia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:28:27 -0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cecilia Maria B Sardenberg Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing In-Reply-To: <909EBA80E0006517@brfapg.bitnet> I posted a request for info. on the Beijing conference last month. I was able to gather the following thus far: - The Beijing conference is the IV International UN Conference on Women: Action for Equality, Development and Peace. It will take place in Peking (which is the same thing as Beijing) between sept.04-15, 1995. At the same period (and place) there will a parallel meeting of NGO's - Women's Forum (similar to what happened in Mexico City in 1975, Copenhagen/1980, and in Nairobi/1985). - Agenda: . jan/94 - New York, N.Y.: extraordinary session of the UN Women's Commission, to formulate the Plan of Action; . march/94 - New York, N.Y.: 38th session of the UN Women's Commission, in preparation for the official conference in Peking; it will be preceded by a meeting of the NGO's Forum, which will discuss the same topic of the session: "equal pay for equal work"; . set/94, Buenos Aires, Argentina: Official UN Meeting and parallel meeting of the NGO's Forum for Latin American and the Caribbean. Theme: "Women's Political Participation and Violence against Women"; . march/95, New York, N.Y.: 39th session of the UN Commission, to incorporate the proposals and suggestions offered in the Regional Meetings. Note: Those of you in New York and thereabouts should try to attend the NGO's Forum and pass on more information to the list. I am also very proud to annouce here that NEIM - the Nucleous of Interdisciplinary Studies on Women of the Federal University of Bahia, Brazil, where I work, has been commissioned by the Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Relations to promote the first national (official) meeting in preparation for the Beijing Conference. THe theme of our meeting: "Gender Relations, Power, and Women's Political Participation in Brazil". Along with the Women's Forum of Salvador, Bahia, REDOR (the regional network of women's studies centers in the Northeast) will also sponsor a parallel meeting of NGO's, to be held beginning april 6/94, two days before the start of the official meetings. As soon as I have all the details, I will post them here. - IN my original message on Peking/95, I asked if anybody knew if a meeting of women's studies centers was planned. M. Safir, of the Univeristy of Haifa, but on sabbatical at the U. of Washington, replied saying that she was supposed to attend a meeting about Peking/95 this months, and would let us know about it soon after. As a closing note, let me urge you to keep your eyes and ears opened about Peking/95. You may say that Mexico City/75 did not have a big impact on the Women's Movement in the US. However, in Brazil, it was fundamental in getting it on the streets, helping women here to break a long silence imposed by the military dictators, then ruling Brazil. Peking/95, may be just the instrument or means that women in many other countries may be waiting for to voice their demands. Cecilia Sardenberg NEIM/FFCH/UFBA Salvador, Bahia, Brasil cecisard@sunrnp.ufba.br - ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 14:43:56 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Ariel Subject: Re: Re[2]: WS Faculty Qualifications In-Reply-To: <199402051906.OAA23637@umd5.umd.edu> Just to expand on this message a bit: UCI has a Graduate Emphasis in Feminist Studies to begin 1994-95 in conjunction with the PhD or MFA degrees in ten + other departments. For information, contact Women's Studies, 403 SST, University of California, Irvine, CA 92717. 714/856-4234. Joan Ariel Academic Coordinator jariel@uci.ed On Sat, 5 Feb 1994, Judy B. ROSENER wrote: > UCIrvine also has a graduate program in Women's Studies. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 15:15:30 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Judy B. ROSENER" Subject: Re[4]: WS Faculty Qualifications Thanks Joan, I replied to the person who sent the message that she should contact Leslie Rabine for the latest information. I would have had her contact you but just happened to have Leslie's address handy. Thanks for the amplification. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:35:29 +1100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katrina Schlunke Subject: International Womens Forum Conference? In UK? Could someone please tell me when the International Womens Studies Forum Conference (I hope this is the correct title) is on? Someone suggested it was to happen in England?? Thank you Katrina Schlunke k.schlunke@nepean.uws.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:08:00 +1100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katrina Schlunke Subject: Conferences in Europe July/August???? Could anyone please let me know if there are any conferences or forums on Women's Studies, Feminism, Cultural Studies, Linguistics etc in July to August anywhere in Europe (!) Thanks Katrina Schlunke k.schlunke@nepean.uws.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:15:57 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JOSEPHME@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU Organization: SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY St. Louis, MO Subject: Query: Info on Maude Petre (x-listed with H-WOMEN) I'm posting this inquiry for a PhD candidate in Theology, Sr. Mary Dumonceaux, who is not a list member at this time. Please send your responses to me privately and I will pass them along to Mary. Is anyone out there familiar with Maude Petre, a female English theologian (1863-1942)? Ellen Leonard published a book about Maude in 1991. Maude's own book, CATHOLICISM AND INDEPENDENCE, was published in 1906. Her unpublished papers are in the British Library (Mary is soon leaving for a 2-month visit to review them). Maude's autobiography is entitled MY WAY OF FAITH. Maude was part of a Roman Catholic movement (1890-1910) known as modernists, whose focus was to bring the Church into dialogue with modern movements. Maude was a member of a religious community, but relinquished formal ties to the group so as to avoid its censure by the Bishop for supporting her efforts. The names of Maude's associates included George Tyrrell, SJ, and others whose first names I lack: Bremond and Von Hugel. Other names and groups linked with Maude Petre include Edmund Bishop and Canon Lilly (modernists in the Anglican community); the World Council of Faith (now the World Council of Churches), England's Catholic League of Women, and the Women's Institute in Storrington, England (Maude founded the latter in her hometown). Mary Dumonceaux is particularly interested in how the solidarity of Maude and her modernist circle promoted their theological movement and also how their own friendships supported them mutually in the face of the opposition to modernism. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Please include your snail mail address-- in case Mary would like to contact you when she has no ready access to e-mail. Miriam E. Joseph Reference Librarian Pius XII Memorial Library Saint Louis University Josephme@sluvca.slu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:26:13 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathe Davis Subject: Re: misunderstandings In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 6 Feb 1994 06:35:49 -0800 from Deborah Tannen's YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND is devoted to the topic of cross-gender miscommunication. It grew out of hr earlier book on cross-cultural communication, whcih incl. one chapter on M/F as suffering the same difficulties. That one chapter got so much response she wrote a book. It's in popular format (best-seller list) but she is an academically respectable sociolinguist. kdavis@kentvm.kent.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 00:00:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amanda Goldrick-Jones Subject: I'm Not a Women's LIbber, But. . . In the GLOBE & MAIL (Sat. Feb. 5), columnist Margaret Wente--who writes an occasional piece on "Women"--describes the case of two police officers who asked their superior for transfers to low-risk jobs when each officer became pregnant. Both had mentioned months ahead of time that they were planning families, and the Ontario city where they worked had a policy of transferring pregnant women in the force without any penalty. Instead, both officers were placed on leave-of-absence without pay. As a result, of course, they've suffered financial hardship and have sought arbit- tration. From a Women's Studies point of view, one of the sad aspects of this case is that neither woman wants to be identified as part of feminist or women's movement. Wente quotes one as saying--"I was never a women's libber and I'm not a women's libber and I don't believe in bra- burning or anything like that. But I'm extremely upset that I seem to have chosen a career that won't let me have a family, too." It's too bad that feminism is seen by these strong, bright women as something weird, way- out, eccentric--not anything an ordinary woman could identify with. I suppose it seems to me that there must be a way for academic Women's Studies to do more outreach--perhaps more liaison with activists, or more "mainstream" work. This is part of the "I'm not a feminist but--" syndrome that's been discussed frequently on this list. Although books like Naomi Wolf's FIRE WITH FIRE are attempting to place questions of women's equality and feminist identity into the mainstream (and though this book may not be flawless), it is mildly distressing to read categorical harsh criticism of such attempts. As Jane Hannigan just commented, it's as though feminism must remain in its ivy tower in order to be credible--but credible to whom? Perhaps not to the very women who could benefit from the hard work that _has_ been done by academics, as well as by activists. One of the things WS and academic feminism needs to keep an eye on is whether or not our theorizing can, at some level, still be accessible and useful to women like those police officers in Ontario. How else can we convince the mainstream that feminists never actually did "burn bras"? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:21:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: how to stop mail temporarily (User's Guide) Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin "Revision:". Here is section four, on how to stop mail temporarily: ****************** 4) "I'M GOING ON VACATION FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. CAN I STOP MAIL WHILE I'M AWAY, OR DO I HAVE TO UNSUBSCRIBE?" You can stop mail temporarily (see below for DIGEST instructions) by sending the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (if you subscribed on Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (if you subscribed on Internet): SET WMST-L NOMAIL [NOTE: NOMAIL is one word] When you want mail to start arriving again, send the following message to the same address: SET WMST-L MAIL If you want to stop the DIGEST, even temporarily, you have to send the message AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE . To re-start it, send the message AFD ADD WMST-L PACKAGE (and ignore the request that you establish a password). Note: BE SURE TO SEND THESE MESSAGES TO LISTSERV, NOT TO WMST-L! Also, if you receive a message back telling you you're not a subscriber, see section 3) above. ****************** Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:43:08 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Joan D. Mandle" Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing The World Women's Conference in Beijing is the Fourth United Nations sponsored conference on women. It is to be held in September 1995. For more information contact Christina Brautigam at the United Nations. Joan D. Mandle jdmandle@colgateu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 07:51:10 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "MARY E. FISCHER" Subject: Re: Where do they learn... The question of whether women perceive themselves as feminists has raised much discussion among my collegues. The consensus is that strong, independent women are mostly interested in being able to pursue whatever career field/ interest that suits them, and tend to be very individually motivated. The idea of having to work a little (or a lot) harder than a man to succeed does not cause a problem, as long as they are able to succeed. At the point where a woman runs into a system which disciminates against her, without a mechanism through which she can succeed, it is very likely that she will begin to see herself as a feminist. The difference seems to be that she begins to identify with women as a group and see her experiences as a group problem, rather than an individual one. In my experience, younger women, perhaps those in their early 20's, are less likely to consider themselves feminists. Could experience be the deciding factor? Speaking for myself, the older I get, the more I identify with the feminist perspective. ---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---: Mary E. Fischer Mary-Fischer@uiowa.edu ---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---:---; ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 09:55:00 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Alabiso Subject: where do they learn Suprisingly, I am the only twenty-something feminist on the list to speak to this issue. I am a graduate student, whose post-undergraduate job experience was trying to initiate a women's center at a state school in CT. Though during the semester I was there I found it difficult to reach the Mailstream campus women, I discovered, through a number of students I befriended, some of the reasons for the reluctance to call themselves feminist. The biggest fear was being labeled a lesbian. This may not be something the rest of us like to hear, but it is an issue that needs recognition. Somehow the 18 - 22 set still believes that homosexuality is contagious, and that scares them. The second biggest fear was ridicule. As an administrator for the University, It was clear that the "peripheral" campus groups (read: not sports groups) were not funded enough, not supported enough, not encouraged enough. The third biggest issue was the lack of older women to role model and bond with. I hear soooooooooo often the story about having too much committee work, too much grading, too heavy a course load. While I am sympathetic to the fact that female faculty (and female just about everything else) are overworked, underpaid, and burdened with representing the gender everywhere they go, I think that this is the most important issue. Young girls/young women/college women need to see and connect with women who are active participants in women's issues. There needs to be a way to create a relationship between the second wavers and (probably their best resource for the future) the potential third wavers. When I encouraged mixing between the students and the faculty, and when I tried to approach feminism from issue currently on the minds of younger women (i.e. self defense, food and weight, and job networking to name a few) I found that my programs were more successful, and more popular. Suddenly labels were less important, and the education, or the development of a relationship took precedence. The complaints are very similar to those of african american women (etc.) the movement doesn't address their issues, and no one tries to reach out to them. If every one of you one this list took 30 minutes to outreach to a twenty-something, we'd have hundreds of converts within an hour. Try it. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:14:40 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Judith F. Clark" Subject: popular format vs. academic respectability Just a general query to all and sundry - Is it possible to command respect from the academic community if one publishes for the popular audience, e.g. trade books, rather than academic press/texts? I am an "unaffiliated scholar" and feel as though the niche I have found is a good one - writing for the general reader, rather than exclusively for the academic community. I have written a history of women in the 20th century (Prentice Hall Press, 1987), an overview of the Gilded Age (Facts on File, 1992), and several other volumes on various "serioues" subjects. However, my sense is that one cannot be "respected" totally for doing this - that one's writing is somehow less-than pristine if one has a) "only" a Master's degree; b) one maintains a deliberately non-polemical apprach (my market demands this); and c) one writes for readers who are not necessarily academics (but may be undergraduate students). This is not an entreaty for acceptance (not a "please-let-me-into-the-clubhouse" plea), but rather something I mull over from time to time. Thoughts? Judith F. Clark@dartmouth.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:21:05 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Judith F. Clark" Subject: Re: where do they learn Re Jennifer Alabiso's concerns and suggestions: Bravo! This idea is similar to the Ms. Foundation's "Take Your Daughter to Work" campaign. Does anyone know exactly what day in April this is supposed to occur? Because my daughter is 23 and has her own work to go to, I am planning to invite a neighbor's daughter (age 14) to work on that day. Againn, Jennifer - Bravo to you for your enthusiasm and your willingness to seek ways around a problem in order to find a workable solution. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:32:50 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Myers, Joann" Subject: Re: I'm Not a Women's LIbber, But. . . In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 07 FEB 1994 00:00:55 EST Has anyone else noticed a resurgence of the concept of "bra-burners"--in conversation the other day, a youngish male colleague used it. And now in the policewoman's statement... how one picture created a (burning) image....JAM JZLY2Maristb ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:36:39 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan V Richards Subject: Re: Where do they learn... In-Reply-To: <9402071350.AA00460@carina.unm.edu> from "MARY E. FISCHER" at Feb 7, 94 07:51:10 am The differences between women of this generation and women who worked for equality and defined themselves as feminists are explored in a recent book titled -Daughters of Feminists-. Sorry I can't provide the full cite; Ijust returned the book to the library. It is a book produced through interviews with women in their twenties, and a few young thirties, whose mothers raised them as feminists, and their subsequent conflicts over that moniker and the responsibilities it entails. I found it very enlightening, in view of the constant reluctance I encounter among younger women to identify with the word, while accepting the tenets of feminism as conceived by the generation who fought for equality and respect inthe system. Susan Richards lily@carina.unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:35:33 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: linda Organization: Yale University Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:45:38 -0500 from Women's Conference in Beijing. Contact for information: NGO Planning Committee-Forum '95 777 United Nations Plaza, 8th Floor New York, NY 10017 telephone: 212.986.0987 fax: 212.986.0821 e-mail: ngoforum95@igc.apc.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:37:29 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: d000wgsp@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU Subject: MMPI and MMPI-2 inquiry Hi-- I am the outside reader for a doctoral exam in Counseling Psychology. As an English teacher, I am a little in the dark, but I'm guessing that the MMPI and MMPI-2 have been criticized for race and gender bias. Is this true? Can anyone give me specifics? The exam calls for a criticqu of the development of the tests, attending to item selection, reliability, validity, normative populations, and other issues of test construction. The student's answer does not address race or gender bias. Should it? Another question on the exam is to "critique the research methods commonly used in counselling psychology." Her answer again contains nothing about race or gender bias. Should it? Help, please. The oral exam is Friday, Feb. 11 and I'm the only woman on the committee. The student is a woman, too. Thanks! Irene Goldman 00ICGOLDMAN@BSUVC.BSU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:45:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Giavanna J. Munafo" Subject: 'where do they learn' thread Joan has just reminded me, thank goodness, that if I collect the 'where do they learn' thread I can send it to her and she will create a wmst-l file that anyone on the list can access on her own. So, please don't send any more requests to me. If/when the file is created you'll get a message to the list announcing its existence and location. If you've already sent me a request, same goes. Thanks. Giavanna gjm9u@darwin.clas.virginia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 09:50:16 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Felicia Bender Subject: Re: misunderstandings In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 6 Feb 1994 06:35:49 -0800 from Linguist Deborah Tannen's _You Just Don't Understand: Women and Men in COnversation_ (1990) is great. She's also written _That's Not What I Meant! How Conversational Style Makes or Breaks Your Relations with Others_, but I have not read that one, so have no recommendation about it. Good luck! Felicia Bender c391738@MIZZOU1 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:11:40 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Orla Morrissey Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing Michelle, I suggest you contact The Centre for Reproductive Law and Policy 120 Wall St., NY, NY 10005, or phone 212-514-5534 Orla Morrissey:omorrissey@ucc.ie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:55:10 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Myers, Joann" Subject: feminist/lesbian In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of SUN 06 FEB 1994 23:55:00 EST re: women rejecting the label of feminist because feminist and lesbian seem to be interchangable in the malestream, may I refer my colleagues to Suzanne Pharr's HOMOPHOPIA: A Weapon of Sexism (1988:Chardon Press--The Women's Project 2224 Main, Little Rock AR 72206 isbn 0962022217). As for young women not realizing the need to be feminists, I think it was Gloria Steinem who said that young women have too much vested in society, it is not until they are in their 30s that they don't need society's approval, and therefore can raise their voices in question/protest (a weak paraphrase,sorry). JAM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:05:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Patricia A. O'Donnell :pattyo@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu" Subject: eating issues Is anyone aware of the exact date of the National EatingDisorders Awareness Day? I think it is in April, but I am not sure. Thanks.. Patty Pattyo@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:01:18 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Re: I'm Not a Women's LIbber, But. . . >Has anyone else noticed a resurgence of the concept of "bra-burners" Last semester I told my wmst/feminist philosophy class about the history of draft card burning during the Vietnam war protests, and the emergence of the legend of feminists as "bra burners" being tied to the days of draft card burning as a protest. I was amazed to realize that they had no idea of the history of this connection. Sometimes we take for granted that people (collectively??) remember things which they really don't... As much as I hate to admit it, this has as much to do with my own ever-evolving sense of myself as no longer a "youth" and as a personal conveyor of history to the next generation, as it has about anything formally pedagogical. ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:25:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karol Dean Subject: apartment to sublet If anyone is planning to teach/work in Los Angeles this summer, there is an apartment available to sublet from (approx.) April 15 to August 30. The 1200 square foot apartment has two bedrooms, two baths, a large living room, modern kitchen and balcony. The apartment complex has gated, secured indoor parking (two spaces), a heated swimming pool and jacuzzi, a gym with exercise equipment, laundry facilities and 24 hour security. The rent is $1100/month for this apartment located one block from the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, and convenient to freeways and major surface streets. If you are interested, please call Becky or Tara (my friends and the current tenants) at (213) 934 -1338. -- Karol Dean ifg5ked@mvs.oac.ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:27:04 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Judith F. Clark" Subject: Re: I'm Not a Women's LIbber, But. . . Re Ruth Ginzberg's recent post - I love to think that I am evolving into a matriarch who transmits important pieces of our culture to the next generation. I had never looked at it quite that way. (but of course, as a mother, that's what I've done with my son and daughter....) It's a very powerful image. Reminds me of Margaret Mead, striding along with her walking stick.... Judith F. Clark@dartmouth.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:52:18 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Sullivan Sociology Subject: Re: popular format vs. academic respectability In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 07 FEB 1994 10:14:40 EST I think the popular writing that people like Judith Clark do is very important (assuming it is good, and I haven't read it) because it is an important way to make contact with nonprofessionals and communicate some academic knowledge. I have focused my energies on writing textbooks in sociology, which also tend to be frowned on by many academics as "popular," "nonprofessional," and "commercial." But my attitude is that my texts are a chance for my profession (sociology) to communicate with thousands of students who may never get exposed to any more professional sociology in their lives. Professional groups and organizations should have a place for such "popularizers." Thomas J. Sullivan Professor of Sociology Department of Sociology and Social Work Northern Michigan University Marquette, MI 49855 bitnet: FATJ@NMUMUS ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:02:55 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret Porter Organization: University Libraries of Notre Dame Subject: Eating disorders awareness Eating Disorders Awareness week, Feb1-7, 1994; very little found in U.S. sources, but many references in Canadian newspapers as to a variety of activities. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 09:09:43 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dawn Atkins Subject: Re: popular format vs. academic respectability I, too, would like an answer to that question of the apparent derision I see of "non-academic" books. I was a journalist for ten years before returning to school. I now run a educational non-profit group that specifically works on producing "non-academic" but accurate information sources on body image issues. And I am working on a couple of books that I hope will be written in such a way that the average woman can read them. I really see this as related to the question of "where do they learn." I read a lot of academic work and then spend a lot of time "translating" that for the workshops and brochures my organization produces. It is vital if we are to reach most women with this information. So why aren't these works seen as an extension of our theories and studies instead of a lower form of work? Most the women I work with are not going to read the New England Journal of Medicine study on discrimiination against "overweight" women -- but they will be able to understand and read my review of the material. I ran into this problem in my undergraduate work. When I told my thesis advisor in Anthropology that I wanted to write a thesis that was solid and well researched but written in language that most women could u understand, she agreed. But when I wrote the paper, she was angry that my words and structure were too simple. I managed to write a piece that my mainstream sisters (who live in Oklahoma) could understand but that lost me the respect of my advisor -- even though I had supposedly cleared that with her before writing the piece. I am still upset by this experience. I spend over a year of research, including reading the original sourrce studies for that work and yet she invalidated the work because of the tone of the paper. Has anyone else been on either side of this problem? Dawn Atkins Body Image Task Force spirit@armory.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:32:58 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: joan gabriele Subject: Re: Conferences in Europe July/August???? The (4th) annual ISSEI conference (International Society for the Study of European Ideas) is being held in Graz, Austria from 25-29 (I believe) August. There is a one-day "workshop" (which sounds like several panels) on Feminist Pedagogy and a Feminist Structure of Knowledge (or something like that) scheduled for the 27th. If you want more info, respond to me directly and I will write again. I have the stuff at home. Joan Gabriele University of Colorado at Boulder gabriele@spot.colorado.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:16:37 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: constance morris shortlidge Subject: Re: where do they learn In-Reply-To: <9402071456.AA18303@hydra.unm.edu> from "Jennifer Alabiso" at Feb 7, 94 09:55:00 am Jennifer: I wholeheartedly agree with you. I am currently teaching an introduction postmodernism class in American Studies, and have had several of the twenty-something women talk with me about not being able to identify with the feminist theory or women studies classes they are taking. They feel that the subjects that are being focused on have very little to do with their lives as well as being resentful that there is not a broader selection of reading, ie Paglia. They see a the idea of multiple voices/multiple viewpoints being stifled, with men being eith bashed or eliminated through intimidation. Second wave feminists, such as myself, do need to update our ideas and awareness, as well as broadening our agenda to include ideas that perhaps don't always follow a set "party line." I myself have all but left the women's movement and its conservatism in favor of more open arenas of debate, ones that do focus on the problems and ideas of women of color, younger women and contemporary culture. Constance Morris-Shortlidge, stlidge@hydra.unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:35:24 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Bounds Subject: Recent Resources re Family I am currently writing a paper on issues underlying the "family values" debates and feminism. I've realized that I am not "up to speed" on recent feminist cr itiques of "the family." (in the lines of such work as Barrett/MacIntosh's "The Anti-Social Family). What recent (say last 5 years) do people suggest? Please respond privately and I would be happy to post a compilation to the list. Eliza beth Bounds, Bounds@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu, Dept of Religion, Virginia Tech. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:41:40 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ellyn Ruthstrom Subject: Re: I'm Not a Women's Libber, But... I don't like the trend to step away from the history of "Bra-burner" or only relating it to the draft card burning. The current line seems to be that bras were never burnt in protest. My sister was at the Miss America pageant the year of the protest (not as a contestant) which involved women throwing bras, girdles and various "foundation" garments into a big container. Some say there was burning--my sister says she smelled all of the synthetic and plastic fabrics burning--some say nothing was burned. My question is what is wrong with burning bras? I think it can be a great form of symbolic resistance and that we should embrace it. I know that the term "bra-burner" has sometimes belittled the larger issues of feminism but I see the pulling away from it as another attempt at making all of feminism palatable to the mainstream--an impossibility in a patriarchal society. I suggest that if this term is used against us that we grab a breast in solidarity and say, "Hey, it works for me." Ellyn Ruthstrom eruthstr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:25:17 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Brenda Brasher Subject: Re: popular format vs. academic respectability In-Reply-To: <199402071710.JAA23341@chaph.usc.edu> from "Dawn Atkins" at Feb 7, 94 09:09:43 am I, too, am concerned with the issue of what I call cultural intelligibility versus academic respectability. In a recent issue of Ms., Bell Hooks suggested that we ought to be producing television commercials! Increasingly I agree with her. I think this problem arises not simply from particular feminist commitments but from a lack of clarity in America over the task or tasks of intellectuals in our culture. It has been easier for the culture to enclave us -- & for us to allow ourselves to be enclaved -- than to deal with the anti-intellectualism that permeates American life. Brenda E. Brasher University of Southern California brasher@usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:02:46 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "KAREN HICKS (KARENH@JOE.ALB.EDU)" <"LUCY::KARENH"@JOE.ALB.EDU> Subject: Re: Women's Conference in Beijing Another women-centered organization very centrally involved in the planning is: Women's Environment & Development Organization (WEDO). They even publish a newsletter now and the Dec. 1993 issue has info. about this conference and other global events of great importance to women. Write to: WEDO 845 Third Ave., 15th Fl. NY, NY 10022 Tel: 212-759-7982 Fax: 212-759-8647 Email:wedo@igc.org Sincerely, Karen M. Hicks Internet:karenh@joe.alb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:45:25 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "Susan Mumm, York U, Canada" Subject: infertility and childlessness *** Resending note of 02/07/94 14:43 To: WNSTL --CMSNAMES I am beginning a new research project; the subject will be attitudes toward childlessness in nineteenth century Britain, with special attention to infertility. I can think of a few historical sources, but can anyone suggest any useful literary sources? Thanks very much. Susan Mumm, Dept. of History, Atkinson College, York University Canada, M3J 1P3. email: smumm@vm2.yorku.ca; fax:416-736-5103 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:01:56 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ann Weinstone Subject: beijing There are a dozen or so conferences about the UN conference in Beijing on Peacenet. You can find out about how to access peacenet by writing to "support@igc.apc.org" Ann Weinstone Mills College syd@igc.apc.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:42:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Melba Jesudason Subject: Re: where do they learn It is given in the latest issue (Jan/February) of Ms. I remember it as April 28. Melba Jesudason Internet:jesuda@macc.wisc.edu Bitnet:jesuda@wiscmacc.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:52:53 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Clark Subject: Re: Where do they learn... Another book of the twenty something age group is Feminist Fatale by Paula Kamin. WS studies find it helpful as a beginning to avoid some of the fears about being called a lesbian etc. Diane Clark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:21:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: Re: where do they learn I would like to second Jennifer Alabiso's comments about young women's reluctance to label themselves feminists, re: being labeled a lesbian and fear of ridicule. Also, I have found that they feel that it will turn off potential male dating partners. And it does. I have had numerous students begin to empower themselves, only to be "put back in their place" by their male partners, as well as parents and peers. I also feel that role models are crucial. I am not much older than my students (I'm 30) and I am the first self-identified feminist many of them have seen in the flesh. This puts alot of pressure on me to show them that feminists are not man-haters, whiners, etc. Finally, it is very important for young women to have not only role models from the second wave, but to see peers who are self-labeled feminists. Organizations such as campus women's groups can be very useful, so that students can meet other students, as well as participate in activism. Christine Smith csmith@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:30:35 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Foisy Subject: Body as Knowledge Curriculum I am interested in the theme in Feminist Epistemologies that theorizes about 'the body can be a source of knowledge'. My particular interest lies in the practice of body as knowledge rather than intellectualizing,theorizing, reading, writings about the body as knowledge. I am looking for Women studies Programs that incorporate into their curriculum exit answer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:39:28 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Erisa Ojimba Subject: Re: where do they learn In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 7 Feb 1994 09:55:00 -0500 from Thank you. . . I feel the same way. . . Thanks for taking the time to give another perspective in the debate. Erisa Ojimba ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:44:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: update on "sensitive students" I'd like to thank everyone who responded to mu request on what to do with students who felt I was being too "liberal" in my female sexuality course. I teach at a Catholic liberal arts college, and some students didn't like the fact that I wasn't teaching Catholic doctrine. Since it is a liberal arts college and I had the backing of administration, I decided not to back down, but I did let my students know that some would not agree and that was fine. I don't expect everyone to agree, and they shouldn't assume that I agree with everything I teach. The point of education is to get information from a variety of perspectives so that they could make educated decisions. My perspective is a feminist one, and that is where I am coming from. One advantage I had was that many students really enjoy the class, and told the administration this. They also took it upon themselves to get up a petition in support of me. Seems that, now, the same students who complained about me are telling others how much they enjoy the class! Go figure. Christine Smith csmith@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:13:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane W Franklin Subject: The Glass Ceiling I am writing a white paper on the glass ceiling and would like information about the following, if anyone on this list has it: 1. Recent papers summarizing research in this area and suggestions of how to obtain them if they are not published and easily available. 2. Information on attempts made by corporations to deal with the glass ceiling phenomenon, particularly programs that have been at least partially successful. 3. Names of people doing research in this area and information about how to contact them. Thank you very much. Diane Franklin dwf@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:27:12 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Caroline Brettell Subject: Re: popular format vs. academic respectability In-Reply-To: <199402072132.QAA18196@umd5.umd.edu> I don't think that these two terms need to be mutually exclusive. I laud anyone who attempts to reach a broader audience. Our problem is that we academics so often leave this effort to others. Look who is getting media attention these days for books that make a splash--Naomi Wolfe, Katie Roiphe. In my own field of anthropology, Margaret Mead had to live with enormous criticism. Despite recent debates about problem with her work I think she did a great job of reaching out to a public and making them think about women's issues and cross-cultural issues. Look at the impact of her book Male and Female. As for text books, I agree with the gentleman who publishes sociology textbooks. He can be influential and that is significant. Unfortunately I think we are all forced to wait until tenure to do this! Caroline Brettell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:06:27 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Monica P. Kendel" In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 5 Feb 1994 13:26:00 EST from hi ruth are you writting to me? i can't tell from you header if you are... in any case, i am 33 as of feb 4, does that make me old? just kidding. i am looking for material on lesbian definitions of family. do you have any leads? regards monica kendel university of victoria kendel@uvvm,uvic.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:18:51 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Monica P. Kendel" Subject: Re: Recent Resources re Family In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:35:24 EST from hello elizabeth i'm at the university of victoria in sociology... i am doing research on lesbian family definitions. i have several references on family, but mostly in the are of sociology of law and same-sex partnerships. i would be interested in your references and would be glad to share mine. looks forward to your reply. nicko kendel@uvvm.uvic.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 18:30:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tracy Wahl Subject: Re: Body as Knowledge Curriculum For the person looking for information on the practice of the body as knowledge--you might look at some of the writing on DANCE as therapy or Dance as knowledge. There's a book called "Sharing the Dance" that is mostly a history of a particular dance form, but it allows for questions of the sort you asked to be raised. twahl@polisci.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 22:11:34 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ping Chun Hsiung Subject: UN Conference/95 > Hi, Everyone: I'm a sociologist interested in women's issue in Chinese societies, mainly Taiwan and China at this point. I have followed closely info. on the Conference/95 since 1992. The basic info. I have gathered about this conference is the following. What: The Fourth World Conference on Women: Action for Equality, Development and Peace. Where: Beijing International Convention Center, Beijing, China. Who: The Conference has been convened by the UN General Assembly, with the UN Commission on the Status of Women serving as the Preparatory Committee. When: 4-15 September, 1995. There will be the NGO Forum held around the same time where most women's groups will present their resolutions. The info. is the following: Where: Beijing Workers' Sports Service Center. When: 30 August-8 September, 1995. Who: the NGO Forum is open to "all interested women and men." It is being planned and organized by an NGO Forum Facilitating Committee established by the Conference of NGOs in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council, under the direction of a 60-member NGO Forum Planning Committee. In Nov. last year, I attended a preparatory conference in China, organized by the Center of Women's Studies at Peking University. The conference was organized for women's groups in China to discuss resolutions that will be proposed at the UN Conference/95. There were about 100 participants, most of them representatives of women's groups in China, but also representatives of the UN and guests invited by the Ford Foundation who financially sponsored the conference. I came back from the conference with mix feeling. One the one hand, I was really impressed by Chinese participates who courageously raised many politically sensitive issues. On the other hand, I was disturbed by the ways in which some of the UN representativs/guests presented themselves at the conference. For example, the UN people, upon their arrival, asked the conference to change its original program. The conference complied. The guest invited by the Ford made the same request the following day, and threatened to walk out if the organizer didn't comply. I was called upon to mediate several of such last-minute on-site negotiations. Although, with great pain and reluctance, head off confrontation was avoided, basically, the organizer agreed to change the program 2 minutes before the section started on the third day, I walked away from the conference greatly disturbed. And, I knew that the Chinese participators were outraged even though no open discussion was made. Without getting into all the detail of the happenings, I think it is fair to say that some of the things happened there had to do with misunderstandings, while other things were outright "imperialism." (I used this term to protest the way I was treated by a guest of the Ford. I was approached to translate her speech for her. On stage, in front of the whole audience, she asked me three times if I understood what she was talking about.) I am convinced that many issues should be confronted before the Conference/95 to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding, misbehaving, and misconceptualization. At this point, I am trying to get involved in the organizing effort among local groups here, while still keep close ties with women's groups in China. In fact, a colleague and I are planning to do a research studying women's attempts at improving the status of women in two different social formations: a liberal democracy and a social state. I want to share my experience with you because I think my knowledge and experience can be useful for those who are going to China for the Conference/95 but know very little about China and/or women in China. If any of you can think of a way that I can better use my observation, please let me know. Ping-Chun Hsiung Department of Sociology University of Toronto, Scarborough College Ping@Lake.Scar.Utoronto.ca p.s. I am leaving for Taiwan to attend the conference "World Summit on Women" on Feb. 9. I'll be back on Feb. 20. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 22:35:02 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathe Davis Subject: Re: I'm Not a Women's Libber, But... In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 7 Feb 1994 12:41:40 EST from Susan Faludi uses the fact (?) that no bra was ever burned during the womens' movement to illustrate (yet once more) that the press not merely distorts in favor of vested interests (surprise), but that it has no particular reliability at all, at least with regard to women's issues, freely reporting events and statistics without any verification at all, and coining memorable -- and damaging -- phrases, like "bra-burners," that describe nothing more tangible than a patriarchal nightmare. kathe davis@kentvm.kent.edu (Faludi is BACKLASH, of course.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 23:04:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Re: popular format vs. academic respectability Yes, Dawn and others are raising a critical issue. It will be a tragedy if women follow the patriarchical pattern of diminishing and devaluing sound contributions to knowledge. I believe it a gift if one can manage to complete research and place that research before us in clear prose. I don't find that simple! When I have to read a paragraph in a work several times to grasp what the writer is saying I am worn out before I've come to grips with the ideas and that is vary sad. A basic principle that I have used for years in my teaching is that a feminist perspective is inclusive and I find that very important! To be dismissive or arrogrant about the work of others is wrong in my view. If I have to accept that writing in a dense and incomprehensible way is required I will be saddened. I hope for much more from women today. Jane