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By: Team MARKUP: Encoding Frankenstein for the Shelley-Godwin Archive - Technoromanticism http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-414 Team MARKUP: Encoding Frankenstein for the Shelley-Godwin Archive - Technoromanticism Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:04:10 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-414 [...] whole and in part: To quote from an idea raised in an earlier post of mine, I’d add tags that allowed “tracking the incidence of references to different body [...] [...] whole and in part: To quote from an idea raised in an earlier post of mine, I’d add tags that allowed “tracking the incidence of references to different body [...]

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By: Philip Stewart http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-312 Philip Stewart Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:20:28 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-312 Okay, I've got to read that book. I am about to make a post that, seeing that citation, I realize is probably wickedly superannuated by now -- but up it will go, "on spec." I will be combing it with intense interest to see if anyone has instruments of investigation that will solve some of the problems I have been trying to. Especially interesting to me: metaphor and Coleridgean organicism. I have a mathematical tool I developed for this almost as soon as I caught the enthusiasm for the (maddeningly fragmentary) Coleridgean way of looking at things ***, and which I see some other people have got in use elsewhere -- and for which I have no contact (yet) with empirical realities of texts. Metaphor is going better. What's interesting is to see the whole sweep of NLP methods applied to it -- something I am itching to play with, just to get a feel for how the methods work. It is amazing to see the sheer volume of high-quality thought, from really capable people, poured into this subject, considering the results. I feel a certain apprehension for the moment that cusp of comprehension comes, when the lightning that is figurative comprehension gets bottled and set to work in a machine. I don't underestimate the task, or overestimate the proximity of true machine language comprehension. But it won't happen without figurative comprehension. That would be a turnaround from about a hundred years of particularly influential philosophical thinking about language. (That's a rough number of years, with a pretty big error bar on it, probably.) Another post talked about trajectories. I'm interested in trajectories and orbits. One thing I wonder is what an organic reading or perception looks like in a neural state space. The construction workers have scattered and presumably are sleeping; soon enough they won't be, and they will be disassembling the world and reassembling it in terms of "fixities and definites," and hammers. *** filtering, as it does, a number of influences reputedly under-credited by Coleridge, and very, very oddly disconnected, incomplete and inexplicit in places that make it very frustrating as philosophy) Okay, I’ve got to read that book.

I am about to make a post that, seeing that citation, I realize is probably wickedly superannuated by now — but up it will go, “on spec.”

I will be combing it with intense interest to see if anyone has instruments of investigation that will solve some of the problems I have been trying to. Especially interesting to me: metaphor and Coleridgean organicism. I have a mathematical tool I developed for this almost as soon as I caught the enthusiasm for the (maddeningly fragmentary) Coleridgean way of looking at things ***, and which I see some other people have got in use elsewhere — and for which I have no contact (yet) with empirical realities of texts.

Metaphor is going better. What’s interesting is to see the whole sweep of NLP methods applied to it — something I am itching to play with, just to get a feel for how the methods work. It is amazing to see the sheer volume of high-quality thought, from really capable people, poured into this subject, considering the results. I feel a certain apprehension for the moment that cusp of comprehension comes, when the lightning that is figurative comprehension gets bottled and set to work in a machine. I don’t underestimate the task, or overestimate the proximity of true machine language comprehension. But it won’t happen without figurative comprehension. That would be a turnaround from about a hundred years of particularly influential philosophical thinking about language. (That’s a rough number of years, with a pretty big error bar on it, probably.)

Another post talked about trajectories. I’m interested in trajectories and orbits. One thing I wonder is what an organic reading or perception looks like in a neural state space.

The construction workers have scattered and presumably are sleeping; soon enough they won’t be, and they will be disassembling the world and reassembling it in terms of “fixities and definites,” and hammers.

*** filtering, as it does, a number of influences reputedly under-credited by Coleridge, and very, very oddly disconnected, incomplete and inexplicit in places that make it very frustrating as philosophy)

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By: Amanda Visconti http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-311 Amanda Visconti Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:11:23 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-311 Phil, this article sounds really interesting--I want to read more of this kind of overlap of science and literary study. Stanislaus Dehaene's _Reading in the Brain: The New Science of How We Read_ is on my exams lists, and promises to cover similar overlaps of cogsci and language/literature/meaning (http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Brain-Science-Read-ebook/dp/B002SR2Q2I). Your comment reminds me I want to respond to your earlier post on a similar theme (what we recognize as organic wholeness). P.S. I can't help but read your comments on the circular saw as Kinbotean interjections ("There is a very loud amusement park right in front of my present lodgings") :) Phil, this article sounds really interesting–I want to read more of this kind of overlap of science and literary study. Stanislaus Dehaene’s _Reading in the Brain: The New Science of How We Read_ is on my exams lists, and promises to cover similar overlaps of cogsci and language/literature/meaning (http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Brain-Science-Read-ebook/dp/B002SR2Q2I). Your comment reminds me I want to respond to your earlier post on a similar theme (what we recognize as organic wholeness).
P.S. I can’t help but read your comments on the circular saw as Kinbotean interjections (“There is a very loud amusement park right in front of my present lodgings”) :)

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By: Philip Stewart http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-301 Philip Stewart Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:51:54 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-301 Dennett: actually Spring 1993 Eastern Psychological Association conference. Sigh. Proper reference to the work it appears in still not found. Dennett: actually Spring 1993 Eastern Psychological Association conference. Sigh. Proper reference to the work it appears in still not found.

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By: Philip Stewart http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-300 Philip Stewart Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:34:43 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-300 That's some scary blason artwork! (and an interesting analysis of monster construction). The Jackson quotation is characteristically interesting: “Metaphors will be called home for good. There will be no more likeness, only identity.” I'm trying to think about the kinds of worlds or representations this would be possible in. Coleridge is keen on the uniting of disparate and opposed ideas (something I.A. Richards questions on the basis of a finite granularity of representation, I think in <I>Imagination in Coleridge</I>. One way to look at "no more likeness, only identity" is to see it as a kind of "each in all." (Hopefully I'll have more to say about this kind of thing, time to actually write it, that is, in a blog post, so I'll lay off of further analysis for this response.) But another is to see a kind of entirely punctate, separate world of things that are only self-identical, and radically incomparable to other things. In the latter conception, there would be no terms of similarity. For complication -- and a real mental stretch if anyone wants to entertain it -- there is Donald Davidson's piece on "What Metaphors Mean" in <I>Critical Inquiry</I>'s special edition <I>On Metaphor</I> Autumn 1978, Vol. 5, No. 1. Davidson conjectures that metaphors mean <I>just what they say</I> -- as paradoxical as that might sound. My first reaction to Davidson's argument is to reject it like a bad transplant, with my whole immune system. But bending to see what Davidson could be getting at is pretty interesting. So what about the interstitial parts of things, the suture-points in our minds where we bring them together? Daniel Dennett, the philosopher of mind, has raised provocative arguments about whether the mind actually does enact what is implied in metaphors of "finding out" and "filling in" -- giving a lecture on this subject at the 1992 Eastern Psychological Association conference, but for which, for the moment, I can't seem to find a reference. (The same subject is addressed later in <I>The Behavioral and Brain Sciences</I>: Pessoa, L., Thompson, E., and Noë, A. (1998). Finding out and filling-in: A guide to perceptual completion for visual science and the philosophy of perception. <I>Behavioral and Brain Science</I>, 21, 723–802. ) A circular saw and various other implements of world-maintenance are operating just outside my window right now in a way that will cut this response short whether finished or not. But for now: Googling "Dennett" and "finding out and filling in," I found the following (search in page for "Dennett")--only to discover my own little echo chamber (please excuse typos and really really bad ideas expressed within it, since it was composed at the speed of a Manpower Secretarial Typing Exam: Basically, Patricia Smith Churchland and V.S. Ramachandran dispute Dennett's claim that the metaphors of "finding out" and "filling in" refer to illusory processes, by reference to actual psychophysical experimentation, in "Filling In: Why Dennett is Wrong," Chapter 12 of Paul M. & Patricia S. Churchland's <I>On the Contrary: Critical Essays, 1987-1997</I>. Part of the way we perceive a whole is the way we perceive or fail to perceive the gaps within it. But "no likeness, only identity." ... The saws outside now operate on me with the force of an ejection seat. Maybe more in a separate post. That’s some scary blason artwork! (and an interesting analysis of monster construction).

The Jackson quotation is characteristically interesting: “Metaphors will be called home for good. There will be no more likeness, only identity.” I’m trying to think about the kinds of worlds or representations this would be possible in. Coleridge is keen on the uniting of disparate and opposed ideas (something I.A. Richards questions on the basis of a finite granularity of representation, I think in Imagination in Coleridge. One way to look at “no more likeness, only identity” is to see it as a kind of “each in all.” (Hopefully I’ll have more to say about this kind of thing, time to actually write it, that is, in a blog post, so I’ll lay off of further analysis for this response.) But another is to see a kind of entirely punctate, separate world of things that are only self-identical, and radically incomparable to other things. In the latter conception, there would be no terms of similarity.

For complication — and a real mental stretch if anyone wants to entertain it — there is Donald Davidson’s piece on “What Metaphors Mean” in Critical Inquiry‘s special edition On Metaphor Autumn 1978, Vol. 5, No. 1. Davidson conjectures that metaphors mean just what they say — as paradoxical as that might sound. My first reaction to Davidson’s argument is to reject it like a bad transplant, with my whole immune system. But bending to see what Davidson could be getting at is pretty interesting.

So what about the interstitial parts of things, the suture-points in our minds where we bring them together? Daniel Dennett, the philosopher of mind, has raised provocative arguments about whether the mind actually does enact what is implied in metaphors of “finding out” and “filling in” — giving a lecture on this subject at the 1992 Eastern Psychological Association conference, but for which, for the moment, I can’t seem to find a reference. (The same subject is addressed later in The Behavioral and Brain Sciences: Pessoa, L., Thompson, E., and Noë, A. (1998). Finding out and filling-in: A guide to perceptual completion for visual science and the philosophy of perception. Behavioral and Brain Science, 21, 723–802. ) A circular saw and various other implements of world-maintenance are operating just outside my window right now in a way that will cut this response short whether finished or not. But for now:

Googling “Dennett” and “finding out and filling in,” I found the following (search in page for “Dennett”)–only to discover my own little echo chamber (please excuse typos and really really bad ideas expressed within it, since it was composed at the speed of a Manpower Secretarial Typing Exam:

Basically, Patricia Smith Churchland and V.S. Ramachandran dispute Dennett’s claim that the metaphors of “finding out” and “filling in” refer to illusory processes, by reference to actual psychophysical experimentation, in “Filling In: Why Dennett is Wrong,” Chapter 12 of Paul M. & Patricia S. Churchland’s On the Contrary: Critical Essays, 1987-1997.

Part of the way we perceive a whole is the way we perceive or fail to perceive the gaps within it.

But “no likeness, only identity.” … The saws outside now operate on me with the force of an ejection seat. Maybe more in a separate post.

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By: Neil http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/useful-prosthetics-pretty-metaphors-and-more-on-dh-tools/#comment-272 Neil Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:02:12 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=510#comment-272 Your argument about blazons and prosthetics is provocative, particularly in the way it seems to invoke the value of "prosthetic choice" and something like a new take on Romantic Organicism, the artificially organic. Your argument about blazons and prosthetics is provocative, particularly in the way it seems to invoke the value of “prosthetic choice” and something like a new take on Romantic Organicism, the artificially organic.

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