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]]> By: LaRonika Thomas http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/nothing-has-changed-the-matrix-revolution-and-the-hunger-games/#comment-469 LaRonika Thomas Mon, 14 May 2012 02:13:54 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=562#comment-469 I see the connections you are making between the two stories. However, while I would be fine taking the blue pill and staying in the Matrix, I would also like to think I would join the revolution against the Capitol. Though perhaps I wouldn't be close enough to the power center as Katniss is, and would not realize that one system of oppression was about to be replaced with another. If a cycle of revolution never results in something better (or without corruption) then what can an individual do? Perhaps I am an idealist after all. I see the connections you are making between the two stories. However, while I would be fine taking the blue pill and staying in the Matrix, I would also like to think I would join the revolution against the Capitol. Though perhaps I wouldn’t be close enough to the power center as Katniss is, and would not realize that one system of oppression was about to be replaced with another. If a cycle of revolution never results in something better (or without corruption) then what can an individual do? Perhaps I am an idealist after all.

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]]> By: Clifford Hichar http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/nothing-has-changed-the-matrix-revolution-and-the-hunger-games/#comment-428 Clifford Hichar Wed, 02 May 2012 16:53:03 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=562#comment-428 I haven't read the Hunger Games or seen the film, but I wonder if one ever can escape the Matrix. Let's say Neo succeeds and defeats the AI, destroys the Matrix, and frees everyone. There is no more Matrix--so we are supposed to believe. The talk of installing a new dictator, someone to rule over all those freed from the Matrix, may well result in someone eventually ruling who is worse than the AI, the cycle repeated and nothing changed. However, even if the ruler were benevolent, does it matter? Isn't it still another Matrix? We talked throughout our reading of Caleb Williams about the system created by society, prisons to convince us that society itself is not one, yet how we are unable to sustain an identity without a society. Is there ever a real to reach even outside of the virtual? It would seem like the answer is no, we can only hope for something a little better than what it was. I haven’t read the Hunger Games or seen the film, but I wonder if one ever can escape the Matrix. Let’s say Neo succeeds and defeats the AI, destroys the Matrix, and frees everyone. There is no more Matrix–so we are supposed to believe. The talk of installing a new dictator, someone to rule over all those freed from the Matrix, may well result in someone eventually ruling who is worse than the AI, the cycle repeated and nothing changed. However, even if the ruler were benevolent, does it matter? Isn’t it still another Matrix? We talked throughout our reading of Caleb Williams about the system created by society, prisons to convince us that society itself is not one, yet how we are unable to sustain an identity without a society. Is there ever a real to reach even outside of the virtual? It would seem like the answer is no, we can only hope for something a little better than what it was.

]]> By: Kathryn Skutlin http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/nothing-has-changed-the-matrix-revolution-and-the-hunger-games/#comment-368 Kathryn Skutlin Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:49:13 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=562#comment-368 I definitely agree with what you are saying! Katniss has grown up away from the privileges of the Capitol. She is poor and struggling and unable to even envision excess. When she is presented with the extravagances of the Capitol, such as their affinity for stuffing themselves, throwing up, and then stuffing themselves again, she is disgusted. Also, we know that Katniss is a hunter. So, she is very tied to the process behind the food she eats, making her in Baudrillardian terms perhaps closer to the real. Unlike the Capitol where everything is automatic and nobody does anything it seems but eat and have fun, Katniss is closer to the "real" of her world. As a result, she is less caught up in the system. She does not adhere to the ideology of the Hunger Games like some of the other children that participate who laugh and joke about killing one another. She feels each death and rebels in small ways by placing flowers around Rue's head and saving Peeta's life instead of killing him like she is supposed to. Although she has been born into an ideology and the system of society--she has been less indoctrinated by it since she is the furthest away from the simulacrum of the Capitol. She has not fallen from the skies, but she is perhaps one of the most willful characters that has been the least affected by the Capitol. From the beginning she is defined by her separateness from the ideology of the Capitol, and she retains this to the end by killing President Coin, who represents a continuation of the cycle of the Capitol's ideology in a different form. So, as you said, even though we do not get a clear sense of what things look like after Coin is dead and the rebellion is over, we can perhaps hold fast to the notion that something indeed has changed from the beginning of the books. The cycle has been broken, the ideology challenged, and things have changed. The ideology of the Capitol has been exchanged for another--whether this one is better or not, we can only guess. I definitely agree with what you are saying! Katniss has grown up away from the privileges of the Capitol. She is poor and struggling and unable to even envision excess. When she is presented with the extravagances of the Capitol, such as their affinity for stuffing themselves, throwing up, and then stuffing themselves again, she is disgusted. Also, we know that Katniss is a hunter. So, she is very tied to the process behind the food she eats, making her in Baudrillardian terms perhaps closer to the real. Unlike the Capitol where everything is automatic and nobody does anything it seems but eat and have fun, Katniss is closer to the “real” of her world. As a result, she is less caught up in the system. She does not adhere to the ideology of the Hunger Games like some of the other children that participate who laugh and joke about killing one another. She feels each death and rebels in small ways by placing flowers around Rue’s head and saving Peeta’s life instead of killing him like she is supposed to. Although she has been born into an ideology and the system of society–she has been less indoctrinated by it since she is the furthest away from the simulacrum of the Capitol. She has not fallen from the skies, but she is perhaps one of the most willful characters that has been the least affected by the Capitol. From the beginning she is defined by her separateness from the ideology of the Capitol, and she retains this to the end by killing President Coin, who represents a continuation of the cycle of the Capitol’s ideology in a different form. So, as you said, even though we do not get a clear sense of what things look like after Coin is dead and the rebellion is over, we can perhaps hold fast to the notion that something indeed has changed from the beginning of the books. The cycle has been broken, the ideology challenged, and things have changed. The ideology of the Capitol has been exchanged for another–whether this one is better or not, we can only guess.

]]> By: Charity Hancock http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/nothing-has-changed-the-matrix-revolution-and-the-hunger-games/#comment-360 Charity Hancock Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:20:48 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=562#comment-360 I might be speaking ahead of turn, as we are reading Blake's 'Urizen' for next week (and I haven't yet!), but I can definitely see a parallel between President Snow/President Coin and the Orc/Urizen cycle that we touched on briefly when we discussed 'Marriage of Heaven and Hell.' Human revolution is a never-ending cycle - the rebellion in 'The Hunger Games' trilogy definitely shows this in the scenario you outline. The rebellion of the Districts initially prompted the institution of the Games (as a measure of control), then when the Rebellion overthrows the Capitol, President Coin doesn't propose an end to the cycle, she instead wants to inflict the Games on the Capitol (as a measure of control). *MAJOR SPOILER ALERT* Katniss' shocking assassination of Coin does seem to break this cycle (but, I'm open to debate here). Collins doesn't give us a whole lot about what sort of government is actually formed out of the ruins of the rebellion, though there are hints of a Republic. I think Collins sets Katniss up as the perfect cocktail of effective revolution: she is severely lower-class (single-parent home, perpetually in danger of starvation), she experiences the Games (which instills in her a small, but vital, degree of empathy which manifests itself in her vehement objection to Coin's final Games idea), and a sudden accruing of power (her reluctant role as the symbol of the Rebellion). In short, Katniss is Collins' version of Godwin's "preceptor." I might be speaking ahead of turn, as we are reading Blake’s ‘Urizen’ for next week (and I haven’t yet!), but I can definitely see a parallel between President Snow/President Coin and the Orc/Urizen cycle that we touched on briefly when we discussed ‘Marriage of Heaven and Hell.’ Human revolution is a never-ending cycle – the rebellion in ‘The Hunger Games’ trilogy definitely shows this in the scenario you outline. The rebellion of the Districts initially prompted the institution of the Games (as a measure of control), then when the Rebellion overthrows the Capitol, President Coin doesn’t propose an end to the cycle, she instead wants to inflict the Games on the Capitol (as a measure of control).

*MAJOR SPOILER ALERT*
Katniss’ shocking assassination of Coin does seem to break this cycle (but, I’m open to debate here). Collins doesn’t give us a whole lot about what sort of government is actually formed out of the ruins of the rebellion, though there are hints of a Republic. I think Collins sets Katniss up as the perfect cocktail of effective revolution: she is severely lower-class (single-parent home, perpetually in danger of starvation), she experiences the Games (which instills in her a small, but vital, degree of empathy which manifests itself in her vehement objection to Coin’s final Games idea), and a sudden accruing of power (her reluctant role as the symbol of the Rebellion). In short, Katniss is Collins’ version of Godwin’s “preceptor.”

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