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]]> By: Good Evening, Clarice | Art in the Blood http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/good-evening-clarice/#comment-596 Good Evening, Clarice | Art in the Blood Mon, 13 May 2013 17:15:02 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=898#comment-596 [...] [Author's note: This is reposted from a early blog to which I belonged, the original post with comments can be found here.] [...] [...] [Author's note: This is reposted from a early blog to which I belonged, the original post with comments can be found here.] [...]

]]> By: Clifford Hichar http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/good-evening-clarice/#comment-477 Clifford Hichar Mon, 14 May 2012 17:40:18 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=898#comment-477 I'm really not sure that any of the men in Silence of the Lambs reach the sublime--with or without Clarice and the few other women alive or dead in the film. Hannibal escapes using the face of another man, so even in terms of freedom and desire to kill his doctor as the sublime, I question women having a role in it at all. Even Gumb's elaborate woman-skin-outfit isn't going to miraculously make him a woman, so if that is a sublime it is a false one. While, I suppose putting Clarice on the case does allow her superiors to catch Gumb, again, there seems to be no moment of sublimity for them. No, if any one has a moment of sublimity--which I rather struggle to see--it would have to be one of the women, specifically Clarice. I think this film fits well with ideas of monstrosity and femininity, but not with our conversation about the sublime. Sorry, it would have been neat if it had. I’m really not sure that any of the men in Silence of the Lambs reach the sublime–with or without Clarice and the few other women alive or dead in the film. Hannibal escapes using the face of another man, so even in terms of freedom and desire to kill his doctor as the sublime, I question women having a role in it at all. Even Gumb’s elaborate woman-skin-outfit isn’t going to miraculously make him a woman, so if that is a sublime it is a false one. While, I suppose putting Clarice on the case does allow her superiors to catch Gumb, again, there seems to be no moment of sublimity for them. No, if any one has a moment of sublimity–which I rather struggle to see–it would have to be one of the women, specifically Clarice. I think this film fits well with ideas of monstrosity and femininity, but not with our conversation about the sublime. Sorry, it would have been neat if it had.

]]> By: Clifford Hichar http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/good-evening-clarice/#comment-475 Clifford Hichar Mon, 14 May 2012 14:13:07 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=898#comment-475 Funny you mention T2, actually. I just finished watching it as well and couldn't help but laugh that the strong female character is really only of importance because she is a mother. Clarice is at least a little more complex. Sarah Conner's heroism has nothing to do with her personally, only her ability to reproduce. Further, she needs a man and/or her son to get anything done. Her son consistently has to go to her rescue and the Terminator is the deus ex machina--or perhaps machina ex machina (quite literally at the end of T2)--that keeps the two humans alive time and time again. Interestingly, Sarah Conner looks to the Terminator as a potential father figure because he has not the weaknesses of man--he won't beat his son or come home drunk and instead would give up his life for the child. Yet, ultimately, the Terminator cannot be a good father because he can only understand human emotion and not feel it himself (the whole conversation about crying). Basically, the reason that the Terminator would be a great father (his inhumanity and thus lack of weaknesses) is the reason he is a bad father. He is not human and thus he fails. Sarah Conner is strong, but the film doesn't re-conceptualize woman so much as glorify motherhood and the lengths a mother will go for her child. Perhaps the ultimate mother's day film? Funny you mention T2, actually. I just finished watching it as well and couldn’t help but laugh that the strong female character is really only of importance because she is a mother. Clarice is at least a little more complex. Sarah Conner’s heroism has nothing to do with her personally, only her ability to reproduce. Further, she needs a man and/or her son to get anything done. Her son consistently has to go to her rescue and the Terminator is the deus ex machina–or perhaps machina ex machina (quite literally at the end of T2)–that keeps the two humans alive time and time again.

Interestingly, Sarah Conner looks to the Terminator as a potential father figure because he has not the weaknesses of man–he won’t beat his son or come home drunk and instead would give up his life for the child. Yet, ultimately, the Terminator cannot be a good father because he can only understand human emotion and not feel it himself (the whole conversation about crying). Basically, the reason that the Terminator would be a great father (his inhumanity and thus lack of weaknesses) is the reason he is a bad father. He is not human and thus he fails.

Sarah Conner is strong, but the film doesn’t re-conceptualize woman so much as glorify motherhood and the lengths a mother will go for her child. Perhaps the ultimate mother’s day film?

]]> By: LaRonika Thomas http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/good-evening-clarice/#comment-471 LaRonika Thomas Mon, 14 May 2012 02:31:14 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=898#comment-471 Might there also be something in our discussion about women being a prosthetic for men to reach, if briefly, the sublime? Could the case be made that Clarice and the other women in this movie are viewed primarily as bodies, as means to an end for the men in the film? Might there also be something in our discussion about women being a prosthetic for men to reach, if briefly, the sublime? Could the case be made that Clarice and the other women in this movie are viewed primarily as bodies, as means to an end for the men in the film?

]]> By: Jennifer Ausden http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/good-evening-clarice/#comment-464 Jennifer Ausden Sun, 13 May 2012 01:37:17 +0000 http://mith.umd.edu/eng738T/?p=898#comment-464 I think the case you present here is solid, Clifford, not to mention a wonderfully constructive take on <i>Lambs</i>...truth be told, having in general a weak stomach, I never stopped to consider these identity complexities presented in the film. And I agree with your analysis here. Two miscellaneous notes I thought might be of interest: 1) A line from <i>Silence of the Lambs</i> that didn't make the final cut: "This guy is out there hunting women, and I'm the only woman hunting him." 2) Was 1991 a significant year in the feminist movement in general, I wonder? Among the top ten films of that year are: <i>La Femme Nikita</i>, <i>The Silence of the Lambs</i>, <i>Terminator 2</i>, and <i>Thelma and Louise</i>. I'm not sure I see the masculine component you mention -- re: <i>Dracula</i> and/or <i>Frankenstein</i> -- carrying over to all these in a tidy parallel, but there's certainly a shared interest in re-conceptualizing "woman." I think the case you present here is solid, Clifford, not to mention a wonderfully constructive take on Lambs…truth be told, having in general a weak stomach, I never stopped to consider these identity complexities presented in the film. And I agree with your analysis here.

Two miscellaneous notes I thought might be of interest:

1) A line from Silence of the Lambs that didn’t make the final cut: “This guy is out there hunting women, and I’m the only woman hunting him.”

2) Was 1991 a significant year in the feminist movement in general, I wonder? Among the top ten films of that year are: La Femme Nikita, The Silence of the Lambs, Terminator 2, and Thelma and Louise. I’m not sure I see the masculine component you mention — re: Dracula and/or Frankenstein — carrying over to all these in a tidy parallel, but there’s certainly a shared interest in re-conceptualizing “woman.”

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