- Series
- Seminar: Big Sur
- Air Date
- 1967-07-13
- Duration
- 00:29:27
- Episode Description
- This program, the first of two parts, presents the fourth portion of a discussion led by Dr. Rollo May.
- Series Description
- Discussion and lecture series from Esalen Institute at Big Sur, Calif., headed by Michael H. Murphy devoted to exploring the psychological nature of man.
- Subject(s)
- Creator(s)
- Esalen Institute (Producer)
- Contributors
- May, Rollo (Speaker)
- Genre(s)
- Geographic Region(s)
- regions
- Time Period
- 1961-1970
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Within a single lifetime our physical environment has been changed almost beyond
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recognition. Yet there's been little corresponding change in how we as
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individuals relate to the world and experience reality.
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New tools and techniques of the human potentiality and presenting to
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us an exhilarating and dangerous frontier renewing in our minds the old
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question what are the limits of human ability the boundaries of the human
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experience. What does it mean to be a human being.
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Seminar big surgery a series of discussions focusing attention on the front tiers of human
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development presented by K x K x FM in San Francisco in cooperation with the
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excellent Institute of Big Sur California a Center which studies those trends
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in religion philosophy and the behavioral sciences which emphasize the potentialities of
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human existence. This week we present the final in a series of discussions
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from an excellent seminar led by Dr. Rollo May on the unconscious
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this week Dr. Mae considers the question what does it mean to know by self our
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reconciliation in consciousness. Here now is Dr. Rollo May as he met in
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session with his seminar at the Aslan Institute.
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Now you will notice that I have.
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Always had a. And this is in our talk
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keeping consciousness and unconsciousness and that trying to
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intellectualize that there's a great danger in the talk of consciousness in
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our society. We think we mean talk. We think you mean it like an
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explanation. Doing away with the unconscious which is
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unfortunate case.
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The idea that psychoanalysis has the purpose of making
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the unconscious conscious now I think I think even when Freud David it's no
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longer true. I want you to keep your unconscious if you can use
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that phrase. I want you to keep it I want to live with you notice when we talk
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about creativity the first and I was talking about the richness
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of the encumbrance again kind of just breaking through but not translating
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the experience into intellectualized term. I
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think one of the real mistakes of psychoanalysis nowadays instead of
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the depths of experience people try to intellectually. So if
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I had nothing below the surface if I knew everything if I could formulate everything
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then I would be a well-adjusted man. I might be well adjusted all
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right but I would be a terrible blow or empty that. And
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despairing. I'm interesting to myself or anybody else.
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And when I talk about meth you see meth is exactly the way you can teach
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the dimensions. Let's not try to interpret one dimension in terms of another.
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But let's try to keep the total spectrum of consciousness
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and let's try to live with it
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phenomenology.
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If you recall yesterday morning is not the science of explaining
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human experience is the science of understanding human experience.
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This is me join the stand with me
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valuing it and keeping all the different dimensions.
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Oh yeah yeah. Newman I feel I left some of you some up and
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I'm very glad I did it because
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I want to vary and make very clear to you that you cannot keep the full
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dimensions of consciousness. If you run away from either
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pole you can't get to four dimensions if you are by no way
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conscious rational thought and you cannot keep to four dimensions if you
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run into prematurely if I may say into a being
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and forget trying to cover up the kind that you cannot love if you try to run
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away from your anger and you cannot have being if you try to
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cover up now. And so yesterday I was putting it through yesterday in a
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kind of oh like the Marines training
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to cop cars and I wanted to get home to you the
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dialectical polarity in consciousness which I hope you never
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knew.
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I think our creativity comes out of being able to live
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within and to affirm the polarities in
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the dialectical relationship.
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I was thinking night and morning. And between our
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sessions. Think a good deal of what we're talking about and how I
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can bring to you what I think would be meaningful.
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I was thinking that night about a point that came from a Chinese poet.
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I have three centuries ago. And the point of the poem is.
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We poets struggle with being to force it to yield being.
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We knock on the door of silence for an answer in music. Now
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this to me is a beautiful picture of the human experience
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that we struggle with known being the force or to your being there
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time to break through and to come in the form become a participation in something that could be
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on the inside of a dilemma we were an.
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But in experiencing being. We find a new
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dimension to our lives but we do not then escape
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what the poet said. We have a new being but also the new
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being is a process to living
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again in the struggle of nonbeing with being to make it
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being. We knock on the door. And from time to time we get an
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answering you are sick but we do not then take away GNS and
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live in the life of music the rest of our lives. That's a denial of growth
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growth and human existence consists of taking joy
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in the music but living still
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in the human existential situation. Knocking on the door
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of science. Now I want to get across to you that human
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growth and consists of living within the
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polarities and also consciousness and once you give up on Earth each of
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this consciousness this is what's really the tragedy. The simple
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solution to life premature salvation premature Satori
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premature technology didn't take away the existential
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situation. I could use a lot of fancy terms for what I'm talking
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about to struggle of being against non being. We live in being
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but we never can give up the struggle with God being. Struggle in essence against
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existence. We find essences but we never can give up the fact that we live
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existential need to struggle. Beauty
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without bitterness that we will find beauty only to the extent we can have the
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courage to be with unipolarity with
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Dana. Human life consists and consciousness consists
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of the joy the grief and the creativity and meaning
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of living within. This paradox in the framing this paradox.
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Now if we can do that then we can move on to reconciliation but reconciliation
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sure that will be a neurotic to facts. It will
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be a short circuit experience. You are
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precious things in life that essential to human
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growth and meaning. And so I want to talk to you destroying
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the first half hour about the myth of
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reconciliation and the meaning of reconciliation. Then I will have a
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discussion and then I want to take that I just 15 minutes this morning to. Talk about
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meditation and the things that we can. Personally
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do to make grow all these dimensions of
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consciousness within us. This myth knowing
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dies. The drama of knowingness out the ground of
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reconciliation is an old story in an old dog the
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part of which you are very familiar with but helped introduce you to some new
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aspects of it and this is the drama of Oedipus.
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Because that edifice the story of Oedipus that the Greeks knew
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was a story that came out of quite a feat
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in the olden days named Larry married to a wife named your cast and
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God bless them with the sun you know which otherwise when the son was born
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the prediction the Oracle
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was that the son would kill his father.
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I'm talking there yes. Put the sign. On the side of the
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mountain there he is to be and by the world.
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Now this son was found by a shepherd and the shepherd with the milk of
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human kindness picked up and took the little baby back
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to Corinth where he had that feeds it. I've been to Greece down the road from
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Athens. Perhaps 30. And then beyond that about
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twenty or thirty miles is a city of quiet assured the shepherd
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took the boy to clients in the little infant was raised by the king and queen the car of course.
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That in a drunken bout. When the Oedipus
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as he was called grew up in current with this friend somebody
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remarked to him that there had been a prediction that he was going to kill his father.
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Now he loved the king of client and the queen well into them
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if you really believe the Oedipus complex eat other people he would have killed and he killed a
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very interesting and I'm about to tell you that this drama has now whatever
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delicious sex. Except this happen could always happen.
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Any place he didn't run to kill his father. So he
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acts out in shuffle card. And writing is rocking across the
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Isthmus and he and many others are at a crossroads he
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met a chariot in which there was an old man
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and the show it was driven by an obstreperous chauffeur. Who demanded that
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he had to first get off the road edifices of a willful man that you were
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asking yesterday and this is partly the drama the glory
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of having some proud the drum of the glory of not being afraid to get mad.
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You get into a lot of trouble but it also life gets away from that. The
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reconciliation if you stick with it. So there was a fight between Oedipus
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and the chauffeur and the man got out to help the
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chauffeur and in the fire deal man is killed. Now Oedipus then
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walked down to the thieves and there were a plague.
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And they they remember the Sphinx. They're
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getting everybody up until somebody could give the answer.
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What walks on four legs in the morning and two legs at noon in tree lakes at
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night and as you know the answer is man Oedipus
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guessed the answer to the riddle and so he then married the queen Joe caster
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and they don't happen ever after now or ever after for 20
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years and then that's where we
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start. And passed in the Greeks on the loud and
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Sophocles and everybody else who wrote the dramas on except the dad like the Pilgrim Fathers
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and as we know that now we've got a problem. And if this were to die on the ground it
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is about. And the drama of whether a man can
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be what he is where he was born and
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what he has done is to drown it. Whether it's a drone of a man facing
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reality of himself. Then when a drama or plans.
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The Oedipus is noted in the dryer as
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a very good Kang he's the mightiest head among the stars. He
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has reigned wisely and well in thieves for a number of
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years and been happily married to Queen Jo caster.
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There then comes a. Clegg and
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feeds as the curtain rises in this drama. Where it has been brought from the Oracle
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with the plague will be lifted only when they discover who the murderer
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King and I was at home twenty years before. So
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Oedipus cause the old blind see eye to receive and do any of you know
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much about disfigured to receive.
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It Have you read it.
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Well we see an entity he may be but I was one
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of you know much about him if he's an old blind see act as a symbol.
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Of. It.
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Yeah but that is the law going to Pacific symbolism.
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Well something I learned on a short time ago and I was reading TS Eliot's The Waste Land
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Resources mentioned in that remember the TV
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series such and such and such a fantastically good thing out to receive it
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was like a scene at the head dress.
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They speak of in a Sea Org with the paps had his Bras Rouge
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is for a blind prophet who represented both
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the female and the male role and it is a very fascinating in that
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like opinion that the reconciliation must occur by means
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somebody who can reconcile the pallette
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is the right female male as another vehicle or at least that we knew and had.
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No issues are so honest. The role of the cycleway.
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I wish all analysts were as wise to research and also said
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as little prior to
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reach us is always trying to.
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It's making Oedipus discovered himself to resist refuses to talk.
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Here's a give the answer and I'm not in favor of Santa's treatment which generates
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three distinct consecutively but knew that if the truth is going to come
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out that it has got to find himself. And his
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brightness blind yes. It also might have a symbol.
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And it's a symbol of prophets all through the ages.
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What it means is that if you can close your eyes to art of the who
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are outside of everything going on all the prime.
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In the real world you close your eyes and if you are blind then you are more
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after getting inward sight.
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I love to tell you about a blind patient that 110 died from whom I don't have to mend
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it and but you could do it through world. When your eyes were
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closed.
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And in any case in this during the
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drama of this this tragic drama of a man trying to face the
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truth about himself. Is the drama of the passionate relation to
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know that I'm sure was step by step
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to reach us as a central character. Not saying much but he's the one all
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Oedipus bounces up against in a middle age edifice
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and just bounces up against and thereby has to sooner or
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later discover the truth. It's a paraffin and gripping unfolding
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of a man's knowledge of himself and in the course of it.
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Oedipus goes through rage. Resistance projection.
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Many of the characteristics that we know so well in
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psychoanalysis a human being struggling desperately
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against seeing the truth about himself.
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Oedipus cause all to receive this. And. When
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Oedipus asked him who is a guy who is guilty of slaying to Laos.
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To refuse answers how terrible it is to know. Where no good
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comes from knowing. I've used matters I was fully aware but let
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them slip me an Oedipus makes two demands and threats. And
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discontinuous let me go home so she lowered most
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easily. You are unknowing my saying any
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sort I will not say the best I display my story.
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This is not quite an analytical role.
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I mean it goes. Dramatically it wrecks.
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Because it fries at edifice to take the initiative it reaches as a
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grantor talent he says they. Know then Oedipus.
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Struggles with this true. And when it comes out
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in the first place a projection of Oedipus
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get angry at your easiest and accuses to reshift to planning to destroy the
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city. That's why I had to resist when that speak in the CEA replies
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I will not bring reamer Soprano myself and upon you. Why do you
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search these matters. And then in a burst of anger projection.
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Oedipus accuses to receive. Ganging up with Korea
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on the car in order to put out you know accused
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of having kill a ASSIM self. When Oedipus is
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friendly toward the truth by the goaded prophet that he himself is
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murder of his father he turned to go into recess and he chooses to
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resist again up with Korea. Got to take over for
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the state. And these are all forms of resistance. Projection and
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early struggles that a person goes through.
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Oedipus going to resurface and do the whole thing you see was simply saying it's a terrible
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thing and interested they don't want to be a
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party to telling you. I. Know the resistance
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is that a person is going through. I cannot bear to admit it is
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so I will not see it. I will say it's somebody out and then the
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projection occurs if it is true it's somebody else not not
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and this is what I want of a school through all the time. You know having to face the
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most well known better
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things about our selves.
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How do you cast the right Anderson picture and here we have a lovely
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drama you can make sure to start with instead it is written by a man and
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left to the streets. Freud would say it's to assuage the fairer
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sex. I don't know if this was the first
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actually I think it does say something about how men are hung
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up with the fact that there's one thing in the world that never can do and that's have a
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baby and the one thing they never can get over is that a woman had to bring them
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to birth. This has far reaching implications but
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I suggest you women when you demand start making this woman the
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villain like in that Adam and he you just remind yourself that
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that's the only compensation they've got and any
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job and there is and it's a completely modern life.
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This really amuses me greatly as I read the drama.
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She said Don't pay any attention to what this was to us as. A listener and she
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said nothing and human life turns on the soothsayers are. And
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then he began to Oedipus as you know there's something here that's terribly important as a
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portent just a mystery that surrounds my birth. And the mother
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becomes concerned. The wife and mother whom he's married
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and she may begin to sense just know she hasn't
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known it before. And then she tries very desperately to dissuade him. She
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says But why should men be fearful or whom fortune is mischievous
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at the word faith instead like you see in the Greek Period the Renaissance and so on.
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If you could get anybody to believe it was fate or fortune and they didn't have to be responsible for it.
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Now there's the older more out of it. Oedipus isn't going to buy it. He's
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responsible even though it was fortune or fate. But in any case why should she says why
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should bend fear for it was over fortune Aroon fortune
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his mistress and before a night of nothing is sure to best take
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life easily. But even that that's from the Greeks of his
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century B.C. and that take life
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easily and as a man may appear.
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We do it in good times everything is prosperous and thieves. We have two cars in the garage.
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I am sure you forget about Vietnam
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if you can and you assume rather than I want to
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assume but you forgot about it and things are getting better every day in every way
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and so we get about these problems of
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oneself and then jihad for that maternal
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wedding you know there's been in the the prediction that this
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is the mother that predict the turn wedding have no fear for
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many men ere now have dreamed as much but he
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who Bryson extremists that's nothing. No story has been
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yet another winter Oedipus dream before
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it. Everybody has to look at that.
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Having read the books in the book of the month
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I should add having read my bit Mead in red book. Everyone
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mad at me and out of me and them if I may.
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Completely unconscious. I think I should know that it will be coming out in two or three days it's
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September issue of Redbook. I have an article in time if you would
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never read read myself and come across that only by action. I
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think you'd like that. So we do have some things we've been talking about
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here waiting and
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a huge red red book that hasn't you know that everybody has a difficult dream
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and why should you and I need to live by in between
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and then proclaim to the face the truth whatever it may
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be. He said I must know. And the like. Then
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and then she cries don't get the complete woman because the last
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check in the plaque in the school
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yard has great confidence here that that's going to do the trick. Back with most of
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us men it does to the woman start to cry
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and in our every case she says she cried
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Don't take it.
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I am sick and that's enough.
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Oh my it is never a no. Here is saying that
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one should not take dreams for and there are symbols. Seriously
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saying what is said in our culture best to be addressed best to live life.
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OK whatever that mean. And it was interesting that we read in most of
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my psychology textbooks and was in there in the dream so
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maybe a little bit interesting significant symbolism there for the
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birds in the evolution. Now that's what you have to tell yourself if you can't
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face the reality of the dimensions of it. Conscious of
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the principle of adjustment to press
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me and the radical upheaval that cause it. Pursuing truths about
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oneself. The acceptance of oneself without the passion that
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reality with relation to truth. Now let me
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put in a footnote about why I think the feminine principle comes in
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there is a principle that stands for refusing to face the truth.
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It's not fair to women it's women that replace your
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head in the two are women. I think we're going
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to certainly know better. What are you trying to say there that the
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biological There is a tide that we are always struggling
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again.
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And it was difficult to transcend and the same principle here
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Orestes that we show yesterday that the brown eyed girl with a
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man and his with his mother and with a woman too as far as it goes and the tie
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that would keep you embedded in life the kind of people you know
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tied to previous levels of consciousness is the tie that symbolized by the
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umbilical cord symbolized by the fact of having come from women
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and would tend to stay home. Now we all know how two of the of
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adolescents who need to fight it to get free with it doing it to
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do. And all through life. The problem
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is the freedom and the
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reconciliation. Higher level of differentiation
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of ourselves with our biological shells with feet
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tied to their. Idol rock. Put this best when he
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says that growth is a series of birth experiences.
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Him and every new view of truth is a cutting off
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of the guy with the umbilical
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cord.
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Every new fuel to the ship breaking out of the womb and being born into
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greater individuation.
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I remember it it occurred to me that the fight against the mother had to
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break out of the womb and I assume that the mother wanted to hold me you know
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she probably does not relevant to the struggle probably read
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today and my plight about it that I have a hard time bringing myself the
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struggle. Of imbedded into my rage because
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again the mother who is the holder of
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the room and also they're going to put hostility at each step and
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grow hostility toward the mother put rejecting you into the world in the first place.
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